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OfflineMixomatosis
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The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother
    #3535391 - 12/23/04 10:41 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It's extremely likely that your mother is a woman, and if she is, then she BLEEDS OUT OF HER VAGINA!! Or at least used to. Just a friendly reminder, but I'd like to discuss this fascinating, beautiful phenomenon.

28 days.. why? Why is the moon and the female's menstrual cycle on the same 28 day cycle? Why does a female sleeping with a window letting the moonlight in on her give her a bang-on regular cycle? It makes sense if you're a female animal of some kind and you go in heat once a year, like the spring, because that has all kinds of adaptive value. The 28 day cycle is no more beneficial in the process of natural selection than a 29, 32 or 26 day cycle, it's totally arbitrary! And why only humans? Why don't other animals bleed out of their vaginas in tandem with the cycles of the moon.. animals like beavers. Beavers and pussies.

What's the mechanism, the underlying principle that organizes this? Where else in nature is it manifested?

Warning: I will compassionately butcher anyone who answers with a cop-out.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3535409 - 12/23/04 10:48 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

amour in paris under the moon


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3535584 - 12/23/04 11:29 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

maybe the gravitational pull of the moon makes period blood come out, much like the ebin flow of the oceans


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: incubaby_421]
    #3535732 - 12/23/04 12:00 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

why do birds fly south for the winter? same shit, i guess


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3535757 - 12/23/04 12:07 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

All I ever had to do to be on a regular 28-day cycle is stand in the moon???

:tongue:


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3536187 - 12/23/04 02:16 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not sure but i do know the kelts and other cultures used a 13 month calender having 28 days in each month.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Cosm]
    #3536909 - 12/23/04 06:16 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

The reason the calendar was changed to varying day months was to prevent women from all menstruating at the same time of the month as they would with a 28 day month calendar. Can you imagine having every fourth weekend with every women PMSing at the SAME time? Or the fourth Monday of every month? There would be bloodshed in the streets...


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #3538019 - 12/24/04 12:58 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
The reason the calendar was changed to varying day months was to prevent women from all menstruating at the same time of the month as they would with a 28 day month calendar. Can you imagine having every fourth weekend with every women PMSing at the SAME time? Or the fourth Monday of every month? There would be bloodshed in the streets...




that's not right.

what's to stop women from all being synced up anyways, regardless of what number day it is that month?

by the way, when you live with +1 women, you learn this arcane knowledge: women who live together tend to sync up their menstruation cycles.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3538025 - 12/24/04 01:01 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

...yeah what is to stop them? and a damn good thing it is, they are stopped. I guess

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3539379 - 12/24/04 01:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

biology 101? no women has such a regular cycle...maybe sometimes or most the time, but the moon has nothing to do with it im sure.


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: uriahchase]
    #3539688 - 12/24/04 03:19 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Except that exposure to the moon while sleeping will regulate the menstrual cycle into a wam-bam syncro well timed excellenso predictable cycle. Read better next time.

So nobody has any input on why the moon and the women's menstrual cycle are both 28 days? Is there a hormonal trigger the moon sets off? Anybody know?

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3539776 - 12/24/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Lunacy?

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3540265 - 12/24/04 07:12 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

This skeptic does not think there is any correlation between the moon and menstrual cycles (and neither do I :grin: ):

"However, the light of the moon is a very minor source of light in most women's lives, and is no more likely than the moon's gravitational force to have a significant effect on a woman's ovulation. Furthermore, the average menstrual cycle is 28 days but varies from woman to woman and month to month, while the length of the lunar month is a consistent 29.53 days.* Some of us have noticed that these cycles are not identical. Furthermore, it would seem odd that natural selection would favor a method of reproduction for a species like ours that depended on the weather. Clouds are bound to be irregularly and frequently blocking moonlight, which would seem to hinder rather than enhance our species' chance for survival.

"Some mythmakers believe that long ago women all bled in sync with the moon, but civilization and indoor electric lighting (or even the discovery of fire by primitive humans) have disturbed their rhythmic cycle. This theory may seem plausible until one remembers that there are quite a few other mammals on the planet that have not been affected by firelight or civilization's indoor lighting and whose cycles aren't in harmony with the moon. In short, given the large number of types of mammals on our planet, one would expect that by chance some species' estrus and menstrual cycles would harmonize with lunar cycles (e.g., the lemur). It is doubtful that there is anything of metaphysical significance in this.

"What we do know is that there has been very little research on hormonal or neurochemical changes during lunar phases. James Rotton's search of the literature "failed to uncover any studies linking lunar cycles to substances that have been implicated as possible correlates of stress and aggression (e.g., serotonin, melatonin, epinephrine, norepinephrine, testosterone, cortisol, vasopressin [directly relevant to fluid content], growth hormone, pH, 17-OHCS, adrenocrotropic hormone [? adrenocorticotropic hormone?])" (Rotton 1997). One would think that this area would be well-studied, since hormones and neurochemicals are known to affect menstruation and behavior.

"misconceptions

"Misconceptions about such things as the moon's effect on tides have contributed to lunar mythology. Many people seem to think that since the moon affects the ocean's tides, it must be so powerful that it affects the human body as well. The lunar force is actually a very weak tidal force. A mother holding her child "will exert 12 million times as much tidal force on her child as the moon" (Kelly et al., 1996: 25). Astronomer George O. Abell claims that a mosquito would exert more gravitational pull on your arm than the moon would (Abell 1979). Despite these physical facts, there is still widespread belief that the moon can cause earthquakes.* It doesn't; nor does the sun, which exerts much less tidal force on the earth than the moon.

"The fact that the human body is mostly water largely contributes to the notion that the moon should have a powerful effect on the human body and therefore an effect on behavior. It is claimed by many that the earth and the human body both are 80% water. This is false. Eighty percent of the surface of the earth is water. Furthermore, the moon only affects unbounded bodies of water, while the water in the human body is bounded."


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3540512 - 12/24/04 08:47 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, but

it's documented that people act way crazier when the moon is full. They put more guards on shift in prisons, hospital emergency rooms see way more traffic, etc. This occurs even when clouds are covering the moon from view!! it occurs every full moon, and a couple days on either side. animals (even lemurs) also act weird, and it's well known that some people turn into werewolves and run amok.

by the way, I went to my power spot and received a vision, which told me that, instead of the moon controlling womens' menstrual cycles, womens' menstrual cycles control the phases of the moon! Hard to believe I know, but I did receive this information in a vision.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3540552 - 12/24/04 09:02 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Mixomatosis:
And why only humans? Why don't other animals bleed out of their vaginas in tandem with the cycles of the moon.. animals like beavers.

Frog's quote:
given the large number of types of mammals on our planet, one would expect that by chance some species' estrus and menstrual cycles would harmonize with lunar cycles (e.g., the lemur).

I don't know what beavers and lemurs have in common, but how many animals other than humans go into heat once a month? aren't most mammals way less frequent? Like once a year in the spring, like Mix said? Anyone know? ...but I don't think species' mentrual cycles are simply determined "by chance".

also, I would note that it's pretty obvious science has nothing to say regarding the moon having any effect on people's emotional states or physiological processes. By which I mean the phenomenon is unquantifiable, which means it's useless to use the scientific method as a lens through which to view it. This doesn't make it false. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. However, there's data: I have two doctor aunts who worked in emergency rooms for years, and both agree that traffic increased significantly during the full moon, and people would come in with way stranger injuries, and so forth. but what to do with the data?

the only thing I can think of is to use it to point out the fact that when that side of the moon which is fully lit up by the sun is aimed more or less straight at the Earth, people are affected in a variety of ways. maybe the reason human females are synced to the moon's phases is because humans are 'higher' than other animals, therefore more receptive to things that take place on 'higher' planes. such as weird psychic energy disruptions emanating from the moon, which has been in orbit around the Earth since before our ancestors crawled out of the oceans.

Edited by Zekebomb (12/24/04 09:08 PM)

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3541156 - 12/25/04 12:03 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

From the same article that I quoted and cited above:

Ivan Kelly, James Rotton and Roger Culver (1996) examined over 100 studies on lunar effects and concluded that the studies have failed to show a reliable and significant correlation (i.e., one not likely due to chance) between the full moon, or any other phase of the moon, and each of the following:


-the homicide rate
-traffic accidents
-crisis calls to police or fire stations
-domestic violence
-births of babies
-suicide
-major disasters
-casino payout rates
-assassinations
-kidnappings
-aggression by professional hockey players
-violence in prisons
-psychiatric admissions [one study found admissions were lowest during a full moon]
-agitated behavior by nursing home residents
-assaults
-gunshot wounds
-stabbings
-emergency room admissions [but see]
-behavioral outbursts of psychologically challenged rural adults
-lycanthropy
-vampirism
-alcoholism
-sleep walking
-epilepsy

If so many studies have failed to prove a significant correlation between the full moon and anything, why do so many people believe in these lunar myths? Kelly, Rotton, and Culver suspect four factors: media effects, folklore and tradition, misconceptions, and cognitive biases. A fifth factor should be considered, as well: communal reinforcement.

the media perpetuates lunar myths

Lunar myths are frequently presented in films and works of fiction. "With the constant media repetition of an association between the full moon and human behavior it is not surprising that such beliefs are widespread in the general public" (Kelly et al. 1996). Reporters also "favor those who claim that the full moon influences behavior." It wouldn't be much of a story if the moon was full and nothing happened, they note. Anecdotal evidence for lunar effects is not hard to find and reporters know that one good anecdote trumps ten scientific studies when it comes to reader interest, even though such evidence is unreliable for establishing significant correlations. Relying on personal experience ignores the possibility of self-deception and confirmation bias. Such evidence may be unreliable, but it is nonetheless persuasive.

folklore and tradition

Many lunar myths are rooted in folklore. For example, an ancient Assyrian/Babylonian fragment stated that "A woman is fertile according to the moon." Such notions have been turned into widespread misconceptions about fertility and birthrates. For example, Eugen Jonas, a Slovakian psychiatrist, was inspired by this bit of folklore to create a method of birth control and fertility largely rooted in astrological superstitions. The belief that there are more births during a full moon persists today among many educated people. Scientific studies, however, have failed to find any significant correlation between the full moon and number of births (Kelly and Martens 1994; Martens et al.1988 ). In 1991, Benski and Gerin reported that they had analyzed birthdays of 4,256 babies born in a clinic in France and "found them equally distributed throughout the synodic (phase) lunar cycle" (Kelly, et al. 1996: 19). In 1994, Italian researchers Periti and Biagiotti reported on their study of 7,842 spontaneous deliveries over a 5-year period at a clinic in Florence. They found "no relationship between moon phase and number of spontaneous deliveries" (ibid.).


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3541429 - 12/25/04 02:22 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

The belief that there are more births during a full moon persists today among many educated people. Scientific studies, however, have failed to find any significant correlation ...

not claiming to be educated, but I don't and never did believe that. so disproving it doesn't affect me or my aunts' tales. The doctors heave vast sighs of relief once the full moon is over, and things in the emergency ward get back to "normal".

I wondered about:
-emergency room admissions [but see]

yeah, and I ain't no scientific study either, but I notice I get flightier more forgetful and moodier and ...sort of retardeder when it's a full moon, even though I generally don't keep track of what phase things are at and am usually suprised by the moon being full. there's your self-deception, should you choose to seek it, but even if this whole fraudulent correlation between moon phase and emotional state is a universal placebo effect... well, then it's still a powerful effect. once you know something's a placebo, are you required to treat it very differently?

but anyways, Rotten et al are only one group of guys, and I don't have scientific studies at my copy-pastin' fingertips as you seem to, aaand I'm tired. one more thing though:

Many lunar myths are rooted in folklore. For example, an ancient Assyrian/Babylonian fragment stated that "A woman is fertile according to the moon." Such notions have been turned into widespread misconceptions about fertility and birthrates. For example, Eugen Jonas, a Slovakian psychiatrist, was inspired by this bit of folklore to create a method of birth control and fertility largely rooted in astrological superstitions.

ahh yes. Many of these things which I assume to be myths are rooted in folklore. For example, people who have been dead for thousands of years once said something about it. (God knows where they received this idea from.) Such notions have been turned into what I assume to be misconceptions in a widespread fashion. For example, some guy, a psychiatrist from some country, was inspired by this notion (which is based on a misconception, or so I assume) to create a method of birth control largely rooted in some other stuff which I don't think much of.

the assumption is that the Assyrians/Babylonians had no basis for their idea about lunar fertility, and just dreamed it up out of nothing. I guess people who've been dead for thousands of years were really dumb, or something.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3541432 - 12/25/04 02:24 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Why does a female sleeping with a window letting the moonlight in on her give her a bang-on regular cycle?

mix said that. where'd you come by that, mix?

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog] * 1
    #3541445 - 12/25/04 02:37 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Frog, the way you respond to these posts is really annoying. It's like I ask for a vitamin C, and instead of you going to the cupboard and grabbing me one, you drop to your knees and puke and then I'm left sifting through a pile of upchuck for a relevant piece of vomit, and it turns out that although the vitamin's there, it's one of those chewable ones.

So anyway, that's all very pretty information about the moon, and I accept the unlikely possibility that the moon's cycle doesn't have a powerful effect on our psyches, because we all know you can't argue with the scientific method, but if we can pull back to the original discussion I set out for, I wonder why the women's cycle and the cycle of the moon is on the same schedule excepting certain small discrepancies caused by the ebbing and flowing of whatever hormones.

I wonder about this because it's SO orderly, yet as the scientist in your post said, frog, there's no selective pressure to bring about this order which I see as key to bringing about order in any system.

For example, you have a dozen people in a room, you tell them to walk around randomly. They do. Next, you give them 2 simple rules.. turn 180 degrees if you bump someone and always follow the person to your left, or whatever. Boom, you've got a system and it will settle into some nice mostly ordered pattern. The people walk and you can see order to it.

The menstrual cycle, however, has this order, this syncopation, but it has no rules or selective pressure to bring about this order. That's pretty fucked up.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3541449 - 12/25/04 02:42 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

mix said that. where'd you come by that, mix?

Hmmmmm.. well, maybe it was a young hippy chick from montreal who's big on things like energy and crystals.. you know, the well-informed kind of source

*For the first time ever, Mixomatosis swallows hard and wipes the cold sweat from his brow

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3541838 - 12/25/04 09:29 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Hey Frog, the way you respond to these posts is really annoying. It's like I ask for a vitamin C, and instead of you going to the cupboard and grabbing me one, you drop to your knees and puke and then I'm left sifting through a pile of upchuck for a relevant piece of vomit, and it turns out that although the vitamin's there, it's one of those chewable ones.

So anyway, that's all very pretty information about the moon, and I accept the unlikely possibility that the moon's cycle doesn't have a powerful effect on our psyches, because we all know you can't argue with the scientific method, but if we can pull back to the original discussion I set out for, I wonder why the women's cycle and the cycle of the moon is on the same schedule excepting certain small discrepancies caused by the ebbing and flowing of whatever hormones.

I wonder about this because it's SO orderly, yet as the scientist in your post said, frog, there's no selective pressure to bring about this order which I see as key to bringing about order in any system.

For example, you have a dozen people in a room, you tell them to walk around randomly. They do. Next, you give them 2 simple rules.. turn 180 degrees if you bump someone and always follow the person to your left, or whatever. Boom, you've got a system and it will settle into some nice mostly ordered pattern. The people walk and you can see order to it.

The menstrual cycle, however, has this order, this syncopation, but it has no rules or selective pressure to bring about this order. That's pretty fucked up.




As the article I posted states, women, in general, are on a 28-day cycle. The moon is not.

Also, I have spoken with a lot of women in my lifetime. I have 4 sisters. Very few women I know have their periods on a precise 28-day cycle. And my sisters and I never seemed to be "bleeding" at the same time.

So, if you want to pretend that you can align the menstrual world by having us all sleep under the moon, fine. Just think how much easier women would be to deal with if we were all bitchy at the same time of month, every month?

I have a great idea! Get us all on the same cycle and then, at the time of month when women are bitchy, have a law that we all have to be locked up for 24 hours.

Oh, wait, some women get bitchy before, some during, and some after. Does the moon have any affect on that or is there some other hocus-pocus that puts a fix on it?


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3541874 - 12/25/04 10:07 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Its do to light cycles. With the amount of unatural light being produced and the way it interferes with the mensies comes this half step and unsynchrenosity. With the artificalness of this world we creat we keep steping of the course nature provided us.

This has been writtin in literature back in the day native peoples of indigiones cultures in remote areas still fallow this cycle. Its the same way how some plants decide to flower the same way grunians bobard the shores with the full moon to have an orgy, the same way most fish use the moon phases to guide the activity. The ebbs and pulls the gravity of the moon bestowes on us is surpassed by the new technology that draws us away from our once connectedness we had.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3541917 - 12/25/04 10:43 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

This is all do to the artaficial lighting. I have spoken with a women that teaches classes for women on getting back to a natural state of living. She said once removed from a city or town. and by living with natural lighting that once you get into the flow of this cycle and life style women revert back to the photoreceptive mensturation and cycling. She lived comunaly with a group in that sort of cituation and noted that it does actualy happen.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3543635 - 12/26/04 01:22 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

if you want to pretend that you can align the menstrual world by having us all sleep under the moon, fine. Just think how much easier women would be to deal with if we were all bitchy at the same time of month, every month?

That's great frog. You get a lolipop if you can quote me saying that this was my point. Quit mistaking me for the voice in your head.

Ok, so what we have learned is that the moon is on a 29 day cycle, and women are on a 28 day cycle, so my whole premise for my question is flawed. Oh no, wait, women AREN'T on a 28 day cycle, because it's unfixed and has some wobble to it. Here we are, back to square one. Women and the moon are on cycles of the same duration give or take a little bit depending on the woman. This extremely close syncing up (if it is that) with the moon has no adaptive signifigance. Ok, so again, why are these two cycles sooooo close? Is there an underlying principle I'm missing here? Where else does this appear?

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3543892 - 12/26/04 09:55 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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if you want to pretend that you can align the menstrual world by having us all sleep under the moon, fine. Just think how much easier women would be to deal with if we were all bitchy at the same time of month, every month?

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That's great frog. You get a lolipop if you can quote me saying that this was my point. Quit mistaking me for the voice in your head.







I can't quote you as saying that was your point because I don't think that was your point.  :grin:

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Ok, so what we have learned is that the moon is on a 29 day cycle, and women are on a 28 day cycle, so my whole premise for my question is flawed. Oh no, wait, women AREN'T on a 28 day cycle, because it's unfixed and has some wobble to it. Here we are, back to square one. Women and the moon are on cycles of the same duration give or take a little bit depending on the woman. This extremely close syncing up (if it is that) with the moon has no adaptive signifigance. Ok, so again, why are these two cycles sooooo close? Is there an underlying principle I'm missing here? Where else does this appear?




I think that is your point, and I think you are being lazy. 

Okay, off to go do your work.  I know what your point is and I'll bet I find it before you do.  :grin:


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3544139 - 12/26/04 12:33 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

The moon has been here since before us. It has influenced life since square one. It is only commonsence inmy own opinion to feel that we based our cycle with the moons cycle. Its only natural.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3544156 - 12/26/04 12:44 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

its a conspiracy i tell you, contrived by the illuminati, that is how they will eventually controll us... by syncing up all of the womens menstrual cycles and rendering the men of the world helpless, useless, and yelled at for nothing.


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3546656 - 12/27/04 01:46 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Frog said:Also, I have spoken with a lot of women in my lifetime. I have 4 sisters. Very few women I know have their periods on a precise 28-day cycle. And my sisters and I never seemed to be "bleeding" at the same time.




hey, I wonder if you've ever been a woman before, and lived with other women, and noticed that your periods sync up. I'll be the first (hopefully) to admit I'm not a woman, but women I've talked to who've lived with other women (exgirlfriends included) have noticed just this phenomenon. Lots. Pheremones? could well be. point is, the menstrual cycle is a system which is influenced by outside events.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3546674 - 12/27/04 01:53 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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So, if you want to pretend that you can align the menstrual world by having us all sleep under the moon, fine. Just think how much easier women would be to deal with if we were all bitchy at the same time of month, every month?

I have a great idea! Get us all on the same cycle and then, at the time of month when women are bitchy, have a law that we all have to be locked up for 24 hours.




I would make some remark about it potentially being your 'delicate time of the month' here, but I'm a man of my time, sensitive and mature. So I won't. (yes I'm aware that I just did)

but remember, we're here under the pretense of having a discussion, and not reacting in knee-jerk fashion to things that rub us the wrong way for whatever reason. you copy-pasted paragraph after paragraph from a single group of scientists (one was named Rotten, if that means anything), and then you totally ignored any statements that threw this single point of view into question. lemme guess, you weren't on the high school debate team? (neither was I)

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3547612 - 12/27/04 10:04 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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So, if you want to pretend that you can align the menstrual world by having us all sleep under the moon, fine.  Just think how much easier women would be to deal with if we were all bitchy at the same time of month, every month? 

I have a great idea!  Get us all on the same cycle and then, at the time of month when women are bitchy, have a law that we all have to be locked up for 24 hours.




I would make some remark about it potentially being your 'delicate time of the month' here, but I'm a man of my time, sensitive and mature. So I won't. (yes I'm aware that I just did)

but remember, we're here under the pretense of having a discussion, and not reacting in knee-jerk fashion to things that rub us the wrong way for whatever reason. you copy-pasted paragraph after paragraph from a single group of scientists (one was named Rotten, if that means anything), and then you totally ignored any statements that threw this single point of view into question. lemme guess, you weren't on the high school debate team? (neither was I)




:grin:

I was teasing Mix.  It's not that time of month.  I rarely react in knee-jerk fashion. I definitely was not reacting in knee-jerk fashion here.  My error was in not posting a :grin: after I made the statement about locking up bitchy women.  Someone had made a previous comment somewhat related to that and I just sort of spun off of that.

I copied most of an article I found on line with which I agreed and I posted it.  I had already stated my point of view, which is that I don't believe that the moon influences people, so I am not going to stick around and continue to repeat myself. However, I do come back to read the comments of others who disagree with the article and with my position.  I haven't seen anything that merits debate.  Unless you mean this kind, "No, it doesn't."  "Yes, it does."  :grin:

I've seen a few comments posted since then that directly support the opposite of statements made in that article, so I don't see the need to argue those statements.  Everyone is entitled to believe what they believe.  If someone wants to believe that the moon influences, who am I to tell that person he/she is wrong? 

I did quite a bit of online research.  Most of the sites that supported the moon's influence over us were sites that were geared toward horoscopes, women's health, feminists, new age, etc.  None of those pages showed any scientific evidence that the moon is connected to women's menstrual cycles.


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3547622 - 12/27/04 10:06 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Frog said:Also, I have spoken with a lot of women in my lifetime. I have 4 sisters. Very few women I know have their periods on a precise 28-day cycle. And my sisters and I never seemed to be "bleeding" at the same time.




hey, I wonder if you've ever been a woman before, and lived with other women, and noticed that your periods sync up. I'll be the first (hopefully) to admit I'm not a woman, but women I've talked to who've lived with other women (exgirlfriends included) have noticed just this phenomenon. Lots. Pheremones? could well be.




I have never had that happen to me. Like I said, I lived with 4 sisters, and none of us were ever on the same cycle.

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point is, the menstrual cycle is a system which is influenced by outside events.




What is your source for this?


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3552439 - 12/28/04 12:22 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What is your source for this?

weeeell, like I said, quite a number of women I've talked to have stated, quite clearly and in English, that their periods sync up over a short period (no pun intended) of time. thus, influence by outside events.

so, am I to believe that you think the menstrual cycle is a closed system? Nah, you prolly will allow as to how food intake and sleep deprivation, etc., can affect the cycle, and we can both prolly agree that female atheletes who have less than whatever percent body fat tend to stop menstruating, because that's documented. So, can we conclude first of all that the menstrual cycle is indeed influenced by outside events?

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3552468 - 12/28/04 12:36 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

oh, and here's an example of frog ignoring a valid point which she happens to disagree with:

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Mixomatosis:
And why only humans? Why don't other animals bleed out of their vaginas in tandem with the cycles of the moon.. animals like beavers.

Frog's quote:
given the large number of types of mammals on our planet, one would expect that by chance some species' estrus and menstrual cycles would harmonize with lunar cycles (e.g., the lemur).

I don't know what beavers and lemurs have in common, but how many animals other than humans go into heat once a month? aren't most mammals way less frequent? Like once a year in the spring, like Mix said? Anyone know? ...but I don't think species' mentrual cycles are simply determined "by chance".




like wearing blinders.

the problem with copy-pasting articles from elsewhere on the internet is that your response isn't tailored to the actual discussion which is purported to be occuring. In the article you quoted, the author uses this weird tactic of saying "many people have the following misconception. here is why it's false. therefore, I'm right." plus it just isn't very relevant.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3552580 - 12/28/04 01:22 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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What is your source for this?

weeeell, like I said, quite a number of women I've talked to have stated, quite clearly and in English, that their periods sync up over a short period (no pun intended) of time. thus, influence by outside events.

so, am I to believe that you think the menstrual cycle is a closed system? Nah, you prolly will allow as to how food intake and sleep deprivation, etc., can affect the cycle, and we can both prolly agree that female atheletes who have less than whatever percent body fat tend to stop menstruating, because that's documented. So, can we conclude first of all that the menstrual cycle is indeed influenced by outside events?




I don't think those are outside events. Those are internal events. I do believe that the internal workings of one's body, such as you stated, can influence one's menstrual cycle.


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3552589 - 12/28/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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oh, and here's an example of frog ignoring a valid point which she happens to disagree with:

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Zekebomb said:
Mixomatosis:
And why only humans? Why don't other animals bleed out of their vaginas in tandem with the cycles of the moon.. animals like beavers.

Frog's quote:
given the large number of types of mammals on our planet, one would expect that by chance some species' estrus and menstrual cycles would harmonize with lunar cycles (e.g., the lemur).

I don't know what beavers and lemurs have in common, but how many animals other than humans go into heat once a month? aren't most mammals way less frequent? Like once a year in the spring, like Mix said? Anyone know? ...but I don't think species' mentrual cycles are simply determined "by chance".




the problem with copy-pasting articles from elsewhere on the internet is that your response isn't tailored to the actual discussion which is purported to be occuring. In the article you quoted, the author uses this weird tactic of saying "many people have to following misconception. here is why it's false. therefore, I'm right." plus it just isn't very relevant.




The author of that article is saying that there are other animals with menstrual cycles that are shorter or longer or spaced further apart or closer together than the menstrual cycle of the human. It is most likely just coincidence that the human is on a 28 day cycle, which is closest to the cycle of the moon, which is actually 29 days.


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3554128 - 12/28/04 07:02 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It is only commonsence inmy own opinion to feel that we based our cycle with the moons cycle. Its only natural.

Ooooooh you bastard, that's one of those cop-out answers I asked people not to post. I think I made some threats to anybody who dared disobey me.. just lemme go check what they were so I can enact punishment on you.

Hmmm looks like I have to "butcher" you. Too bad I always make empty threats.

Frog: The synching up of women's menstrual cycle is known as menstrual entrainment. Go check it out.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3554144 - 12/28/04 07:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Although common usage refers to the human menstrual cycle as typically 28 days, repeated studies consistently show the mean and median of sample menstrual cycle data to be 29.5 days. The lunar cycle is also a 29.5-day cycle. This coincidence of the 29.5-day lunar and menstrual rhythms has intrigued a number of workers and led to subsequent small-and large-sample studies in search of a relationship.

this is from

http://www.athenainstitute.com/sciencelinks/lunarandmenst.html

They call it a coincidence. It's pretty fascinating, and that's why I started this post. It's pretty weird.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3554193 - 12/28/04 07:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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It is only commonsence inmy own opinion to feel that we based our cycle with the moons cycle. Its only natural.

Ooooooh you bastard, that's one of those cop-out answers I asked people not to post. I think I made some threats to anybody who dared disobey me.. just lemme go check what they were so I can enact punishment on you.

Hmmm looks like I have to "butcher" you. Too bad I always make empty threats.

Frog: The synching up of women's menstrual cycle is known as menstrual entrainment. Go check it out.




I know you merely clicked on "last post" when you posted this recent post, but because my name headed the last post, it appears that you are responding to me, and I said no such shit as the shit that you are quoting.  :grin:  (<-----obligatory smiley face!)


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3554225 - 12/28/04 07:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Although common usage refers to the human menstrual cycle as typically 28 days, repeated studies consistently show the mean and median of sample menstrual cycle data to be 29.5 days. The lunar cycle is also a 29.5-day cycle.  This coincidence of the 29.5-day lunar and menstrual rhythms has intrigued a number of workers and led to subsequent small-and large-sample studies in search of a relationship.

this is from

http://www.athenainstitute.com/sciencelinks/lunarandmenst.html

They call it a coincidence. It's pretty fascinating, and that's why I started this post. It's pretty weird.




Okay, I read the article, kind of, well, mainly skimmed it, and I see there is some kind of "significant" pattern, but that was an old study, and I don't know how they conducted it, what errors there were, etc., so, in other words, I ain't buying it right at this time. 

And anyways, I think that study said somewhere in there that it might have to do more with gravity than the moon. 

And keep in mind that I'm not trying to be right.  I have no right to be right, here.  I just ain't buying it yet, I tell ya.  :grin:


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3554309 - 12/28/04 07:56 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

????

buying WHAT? Gravity have to do with what? HUH? I'm .. never mind.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3554325 - 12/28/04 08:01 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

:grin:


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3555473 - 12/29/04 12:25 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think those are outside events.  Those are internal events.  I do believe that the internal workings of one's body, such as you stated, can influence one's menstrual cycle.

we can choose what kind of food we eat, right? different foods engender different bodily states. do you count that as 'internal'? like, the choice of what food I eat originates internally? in a sense, we are all one, I am the universe, fairie majick, and the Moon is an 'internal' event. is that what you mean?

to my way of thinking, the menstrual cycle is the internal event. it is influenced not by internal events, for it is the event in question. instead it is influenced by external events. otherwise it isn't 'influenced' at all. the dividing line between Internal and External is drawn right at the skin, or something. If there's a potato famine and you stop eating food (which comes from the land of External), you die, and you stop menstruating. thus menstruation can be influenced by external events.    :moon:

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3555508 - 12/29/04 12:36 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

zekebomb 1
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Hmmm I guess you cancel eachother out and I win.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3555516 - 12/29/04 12:38 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Nice try, but no cigar.  :grin: 

I'm not going to "debate" this any further.  I made my opinion known.  I disagree that outside events affect the menstrual cycles of women.  What you posted just now doesn't fall into the category of "outside events", imo.

Mix made a strong appeal, but the study he cited is old, and I don't have much faith in it. 

So, shall we go back to "Is too!", "Is not!"? 

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3555535 - 12/29/04 12:42 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Frog said:The author of that article is saying that there are other animals with menstrual cycles that are shorter or longer or spaced further apart or closer together than the menstrual cycle of the human. It is most likely just coincidence that the human is on a 28 day cycle, which is closest to the cycle of the moon, which is actually 29 days.




but it seems like most mammals menstruate only once or twice a year. they go into heat in the spring or whenever, they're 'in season', and if they aren't impregnated they shed the uterine lining out the vagina. does anyone know of any animals other than humans which menstruate more than ten times a year?

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3555546 - 12/29/04 12:45 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

What you posted just now doesn't fall into the category of "outside events", imo.

does any thing fall into that category, in your estimation?

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3555560 - 12/29/04 12:50 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

ummm.... woah woah woah...

easy big gunner

What did I make an appeal to? What did I almost convince you of? I have no idea. All I was doing was repeating my original post: basically that women and the moon are on the same cycle, not 28 days, but 29.5 days. I found a site mentioning a lot of studies that showed that the female cycle is 29.5 days long, same as the moon, that's all. Simple. I wasn't saying that women all ovulate on the new moon or anything silly like that. In fact the link I gave proved that wrong.

But because it's come up, yes, women who live together will experience their periods synching up until they're on the same schedule. This isn't a debatable fringe phenomenon. Until this discussion I thought everybody knew it happened if they hadn't experienced it firsthand by either being a woman and having it happen or being a man and witnessing it (not necessarily visually). You can look it up if you'd like to absorb new information, but I suspect that you, like an innefefctive menstrual pad, are stiff and inflexible, allowing the sweet honey of my knowledge to drip from my orifice (mouth in this case) and run right past you leaving a big red stain that betrays your intellectual innefectiveness to anyone with eyes.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3555585 - 12/29/04 12:57 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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What you posted just now doesn't fall into the category of "outside events", imo.

does any thing fall into that category, in your estimation?




Zeke, win or lose, I could give a fuck. I'm done with this thread. I'm bored. Post some statistics about something, like Mix did. Otherwise, I'm done.


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3555589 - 12/29/04 01:00 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I guess, since none of us have anything to add to the general niftyness of the 29.5-day 'coincidence', then we are simply obliged to stand back and say, "gee, that is nifty," or just whistle, hands on our hips or arms crossed. I mean, this leaves the realm where the scientific method is relevant. I have many conjectures as to how the Moon may be able to manipulate humans on physical and emotional levels, be it through gravity or moonlight or something far more sinister. but any way you slice it, I feel funny during a full moon

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3555592 - 12/29/04 01:01 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

you could give a fuck?

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3555609 - 12/29/04 01:11 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry, Zeke, I misspoke.  I should have said "I COULDN'T give a fuck."

But Zeke, when at any time during any discussion on this forum did you provide one piece of evidence to support your position that human menstrual cycles are governed by the moon?

Do me a favor, and I'll wait this one out for a couple of day, and show me what you offered as contradicting evidence against what I provided.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3555646 - 12/29/04 01:36 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It's not exactly a statistic but my period started on the full moon this week.  :smile:

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: MOTH]
    #3556484 - 12/29/04 07:56 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

<arnold scwarzzenegger voice> nice night for a walk...

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3556591 - 12/29/04 08:53 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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But Zeke, when at any time during any discussion on this forum did you provide one piece of evidence to support your position that human menstrual cycles are governed by the moon?

Do me a favor, and I'll wait this one out for a couple of day, and show me what you offered as contradicting evidence against what I provided.




well I would but I don't think you'd read it. you don't seem to be able to see anything that you don't agree with. an example of this is when I said "women's cycles can sync up, and that's an example of outside influence" and you said "well I've never had mine sync up with anyone else's, and I have 4 sisters" and I said "but I've talked to lots of women who've said it happened to them" and you said "that's not an example of outside influence"... see what I mean?

and what, pray tell, is my position, other than the fast that the menstrual cycle can change as a result of outside influence? which I've proved the only way I know how, by saying I've talked about it with real live women. would you believe me if I said my name was Dr. Zekebomb et al? I guess I could be lying, but as Mixomatosis so sagely put it, go check out menstrual entrainment. I guess my thing is that I find it interesting how dead set you are (seem to be) against changing your ideas about menstruation, any of them. I could give a fuck too, but we both keep coming back to the thread and posting replies to each other, so we must actually care a bit.

but yeah, by the way, I never said my position is the the human menstrual cycle is governed by the moon. if I must be pinned down here, I will say that I believe the moon to be one factor in a set of outside influences which affect the cycle.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3556700 - 12/29/04 09:31 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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well I would but I don't think you'd read it. you don't seem to be able to see anything that you don't agree with. an example of this is when I said "women's cycles can sync up, and that's an example of outside influence" and you said "well I've never had mine sync up with anyone else's, and I have 4 sisters" and I said "but I've talked to lots of women who've said it happened to them" and you said "that's not an example of outside influence"... see what I mean?




That's not what was said. Go re-read. I said that what goes on inside our bodies is not an example of outside influence. If I experience stress, that stress is working inside my body and may cause me to miss a period. But that outside event that caused the stress in the first place is not what caused me to miss a period.

If I stop eating, it's the effect of the loss of weight that is affecting the cessation of my periods. It's not the outside event such as a famine that caused the cessation of my periods.

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and what, pray tell, is my position, other than the fast that the menstrual cycle can change as a result of outside influence? which I've proved the only way I know how, by saying I've talked about it with real live women. would you believe me if I said my name was Dr. Zekebomb et al?




I have been coming to Texas 1 weekend a month for almost 2 years. For the first 1 and 1/2 years that I was coming here, his daughter's cat and I were having our "monthlies" at the same exact time. How easy to take this coincidence and say we "synced".

A handful of women to whom you have spoken doesn't exactly qualify as a study. My point in bringing up my sisters is to show that I lived with 4 other women who were bleeding and none of us synced up. My anecdote was not a study, either.

So you say you know women who have, and I say I know women who haven't. It's a draw. In view of the lack of evidence to the contrary, I believe that when women sync their menstrual cycles, it's a coincidence.

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I guess I could be lying, but as Mixomatosis so sagely put it, go check out menstrual entrainment. I guess my thing is that I find it interesting how dead set you are (seem to be) against changing your ideas about menstruation, any of them. I could give a fuck too, but we both keep coming back to the thread and posting replies to each other, so we must actually care a bit.




I'm not dead set against learning something new. I just don't buy it that menstrual cycles are influenced by the moon. That's what I mean by having a debate over this issue. "Yes it is" "No it isn't" It's like arguing over whether God exists or something. You are entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

But don't tell me that you have spoken to some women who claimed that their periods synced up and then expect me to accept that as fool-proof evidence that menstrual cycles are influenced by outside events.

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but yeah, by the way, I never said my position is the the human menstrual cycle is governed by the moon. if I must be pinned down here, I will say that I believe the moon to be one factor in a set of outside influences which affect the cycle.




Good for you! I don't. I don't believe that the moon influences anything but the tide.

My partner is a retired police officer. He said there were no more or less crazy people on the street on the nights that the moon was full than when it wasn't. He said the full moon just made it easier to see the crazies.


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3557499 - 12/29/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

okay

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3557527 - 12/29/04 01:44 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

his daughter's cat and I were having our "monthlies" at the same exact time. How easy to take this coincidence and say we "synced".

really? so cats menstruate every month? why didn't somebody tell me? I thought they were twice a year, that's what I heard anyways. can anyone verify either way?

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3557556 - 12/29/04 01:58 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I don't think cats have menstrual cycles. I think they go into heat. But when this cat is in heat, it meows a lot, as female cats do when they're in heat. And it seemed that whenever I was having my period, the cat was meowing in heat. Was pretty funny.


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3557578 - 12/29/04 02:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

you say you know women who have, and I say I know women who haven't. It's a draw.

some people say they've seen a giraffe. I, however, have never seen one. it's a draw.

and maybe the cat was meowing in reaction to pheremones you were giving off as a result of being in heat yourself. (I think menstruating and being in heat are the same thing, or at least 2 sides of the same coin.)

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3557621 - 12/29/04 02:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

the following is from http://www.athenainstitute.com/sciencelinks/lunarandmenst.html :

To date, it has been shown that sexual behavior, social effects, as well as nutrition, seasonality, incarceration, and the stress of war, all contribute to the rhythm of the human cycle and subsequent fertility.


all internal factors, right? It seems that frog and I have a different definition of 'internal' and 'external'.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3557646 - 12/29/04 02:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

this is from http://artsandscience.concordia.ca/psyc200jj/Chapter_5_txt.html :

Entrainment ? Biological rhythms are synchronized with external events such as changes in clock time, temperature, and daylight.

there's that word again. 'external'.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3557691 - 12/29/04 02:46 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

oh hey look what I found:

The corresponding estrus cycles of some other mammals are 28 days for opossums, 11 days for guinea pigs, 16 to 17 days for sheep, 20 to 22 days for sows, 21 days for cows and mares, 24 to 26 days for macaque monkeys, 37 days for chimpanzees, and only 5 days for rats and mice.

from http://www.straightdope.com

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    #3557698 - 12/29/04 02:48 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Reinberg (1967): found that the menstrual cycle of a woman who spent 3 months in a cave shortened. Reinberg speculated that this was due to low light levels.

from http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:CKSgC...nment&hl=en or something

I call that external influence

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3558229 - 12/29/04 05:06 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Zekebomb said:
this is from http://artsandscience.concordia.ca/psyc200jj/Chapter_5_txt.html :

Entrainment ? Biological rhythms are synchronized with external events such as changes in clock time, temperature, and daylight.

there's that word again. 'external'.




I went to that website and this is all it said:

? Entrainment
? Biological rhythms are synchronized with external events such as changes in clock time, temperature, and daylight.

So? What's the proof, what studies? I just have to believe this because it was printed on a website somewhere?


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3558290 - 12/29/04 05:26 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

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Zekebomb said:
the following is from http://www.athenainstitute.com/sciencelinks/lunarandmenst.html :

To date, it has been shown that sexual behavior, social effects, as well as nutrition, seasonality, incarceration, and the stress of war, all contribute to the rhythm of the human cycle and subsequent fertility.


all internal factors, right? It seems that frog and I have a different definition of 'internal' and 'external'.




This is much better.  Good job on finding this.  When I first responded to Mix, I was just having fun with him.  Then, when I saw your "attack" on me, I jumped back in because I wanted to just clear things up about what you were saying.

But now it appears I have learned something after all.  'Course, you could be less arrogant.  :grin:


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Frog]
    #3561062 - 12/30/04 11:21 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

haha.. frog

Anyway, that's interesting what zekebomb posted about all the different cycles of the animals. Can we then conclude that we just happen to be the one on a 29.5 day cycle, that it's just coincidence? All these other animals are on close but different cycles, so maybe there's no principle at work here at all.

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3563989 - 12/31/04 01:00 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, there were other studies done that were at the end of the studies that were posted by Zeke at the end of one of the studies that he posted.  I was never in the position of saying "no way".  I just hadn't seen any statistics (except what you posted) before that. But because I wanted to be sure I was wrong, I clicked at the bottom of that thread (which you also posted) and turns out there's a lot of evidence for that kind of shit.

Anyways, I don't understand "haha".  I just didn't believe it until sufficient evidence was posted.  But what an asshole he was, in the meantime and even when his posted looked like it was confirmed.  At one point, when it looked like he was even posting behind me on anotehr thread, I finally posted him 5 shrooms, asking him to back off.  I hate when someone follows me around, barking at me.  :grin:


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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #21298005 - 02/19/15 10:16 AM (9 years, 30 days ago)

What would likely happen to the menstrual cycle if, suddenly, the moon was gone?

(Imagine some sci-fi scenario where a woman is transported to an earth-sized planet which has no moon.)

What would happen to her reproductive cycle?  What about other aspects of her life?

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Re: The moon, the menstrual cycle, and your mother [Re: Ataraxius]
    #21298940 - 02/19/15 01:14 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

Lets find out.


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