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 MycoJunkie
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Wow. 26 from 197! Not bad.
Oh yeah, thx for clearing that up ppl, what I meant to refer to was the optimal amount of substrate to get the most weight of shrooms from a casing. Sorry if I confused you, I think I should have originally rephrased that question.
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scatmanrav
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 Re: Whats wrong with these casings  [Re: MycoJunkie]
#3529907 - 12/21/04 11:21 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I REALLY doubt those are cracker dry. They may feel it but unless they crumble easily when squeezed between two fingers they arent cracker dry. They shouldnt bend then snap..they should just crumble and powder easily. That should have dried to at least 19 grams..I've found even more like just over 18 would be more correct...
Unless of course they were pretty dry on the casing, not getting enough water..or you waited before getting the "fresh" weight. They start drying pretty quick...
As far as the yeild..its not bad but people have pulled that off just 2 cakes not cased..under optimal conditions. Always room for improvment. However 3.5 grams per cake is usually expect..of course thats without casing them. I dont know how much more you really get from casing cakes since I never really worked with PF substrate. You got just over 3 grams a cake dried so not to bad..
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penlight438094
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Re: Whats wrong with these casings [Re: scatmanrav]
#3529971 - 12/21/04 11:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am in the middle of switching to WBS can I expect bigger yeilds off the same sized casings
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penlight438094
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also, the caps turn to dust when squeezed but the stems bend then snap, personally I quit shrooms after a bad experence but my bro says this is his favorite consistancy
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scatmanrav
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The stems should act like the caps..caps dry mush quicker then stems...you can bet theres some water in there so keep that in mind when people eat them...they'll be eating a little less then they may think (probably only like .1 grams less for every gram or two). Might not be to noticable since this is how most people get them when they buy them.
WBS will give you better yeilds for the same amount of substrate and it will be easier to make more substrate since each jar of WBS is the amount of substrate in 3 or 4 cakes. Do 8 jars, but quarts of WBS this time and you'll definatly be rocking some mushrooms.
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penlight438094
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Re: Whats wrong with these casings [Re: scatmanrav]
#3530034 - 12/21/04 11:48 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I lost a couple WBS jars to contam but I still have 10 colonizing, so say I use a 1L jar to make a casing 1.5 deep , what would the rough yeild be, or would it vary too much for an estimate
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scatmanrav
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Well 1L is just over a quart which is what I work with...per quart in 1.5-2 inches I'd expect 0-20 grams for 1-3 flushes...after three flushes, probably a total of about 2 ounces dry..per quart.
Personally...with Amazons (best yeilding strain I have) and rye a casing with 1.5 quarts in optimal conditions...about 40 grams first flush..30 the second and 20-25 for the third. That was the averages of my last Amazons... It will definatly vary a good amount though and I wouldnt say to expect that...especially using WBS. I dont know though, some say millets the best grain cased straight.
Hope this lets you guess, but you can't hold me responsible if you dont pull these yeilds..this is just what I do...not everyone will be the same.
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penlight438094
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Re: Whats wrong with these casings [Re: scatmanrav]
#3530078 - 12/21/04 11:57 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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what a conencidence, i'm also using amazonian, by the sound of this if things pan out i will be saying good-bye to PF-tek real soon
Also i am going out to buy some rye berries tomorrow, could you provide me a link to your technoque
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Thats nice info for me also, gonna try that if I can prove that too! 
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chessrook
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A non-cased dunked cake can easily yield 70g wet on the first flush, so 190g for 8 cased cakes doesn't seem like a good yield.
Anyway, I used to have the same problem your casing is showing. I found the problem was moisture in the casing/verm layer. I started soaking the casing with a fine mist for the first few days after birth and the yields increased considerably. Personally, I don't think the problem is the amount of casing, but moisture content...something to cnsider anyway...
be well
Edited by chessrook (12/22/04 10:31 AM)
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MushroomFriend
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Re: Whats wrong with these casings [Re: chessrook]
#3531272 - 12/22/04 10:32 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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70 wet from a cake is a very good achievment!
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chessrook
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It used to be for me, but ever since I started to dunk and roll/double end case 70g (wet)has become commonplace (1st flush). I have toyed with cakes for 5+ years to nail down my routine because I find them to take up less of my time in care/preparation than casing (which I still haven't mastered).
Reading and rereading every post by Magash regarding cakes and the poor man's pod will take anyone from 40-50g to 70g in no time...IMO.
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Re: Whats wrong with these casings [Re: chessrook]
#3531702 - 12/22/04 12:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Whats wrong with these casings [Re: chessrook]
#3531721 - 12/22/04 12:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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70 from a cake is a good acheivment. 70 consistantly from a cake is a greater acheivment. Sam was getting cakes 100-140 grams wet..thats one hell of an achievment.
Look around for Magash's rye tek.
Amazons  are  yummy.
Wish I had more pics..this was my first amazon casing..thats over a pound of wet shrooms on there...couldnt get pics of later flushes or the ones that came in right after since my camera died...I just got my new one in the mail yesterday..it was cheap so we'll see how the picture quality is. I should get some nice mycoporn soon once these babies start pinning.
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penlight438094
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Re: Whats wrong with these casings [Re: scatmanrav]
#3531738 - 12/22/04 12:41 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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how did that not pin from the sides and bottom, that is a clear container
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scatmanrav
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Bottoms dont usually pin since they sit on the shelfs..if you look at the first pic they did pin from the sides.
Everyone works themselves into a tizzy about mushrooms pinning from the side...its just more mushrooms...
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penlight438094
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Re: Whats wrong with these casings [Re: scatmanrav]
#3531790 - 12/22/04 12:56 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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ahh
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Re: Whats wrong with these casings [Re: chessrook]
#3532044 - 12/22/04 02:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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OK chessrook, respect! 
Im only a few months into growing the magic friends!
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penlight438094
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ne1 else have any input
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 Re: Whats wrong with these casings [Re: scatmanrav]
#3534687 - 12/23/04 02:30 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
scatmanrav said:
Bottoms dont usually pin since they sit on the shelfs
Bottoms pin like crazy...
Everyone works themselves into a tizzy about mushrooms pinning from the side...its just more mushrooms...
It fucks up a good pinset also...that affects the quantity
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