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Offlinedelian
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Chomsky on the Drug War
    #352962 - 07/02/01 02:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Chomsky on the Drug War [Re: delian]
    #355296 - 07/15/01 06:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

thats a crazy article. does anyone have any suggested reading material by chomsky?



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Re: Chomsky on the Drug War [Re: delian]
    #356072 - 07/17/01 03:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Chomsky is a brilliant man in many ways. Many, perhaps most, of his comments in the interview are defensible, if a little paranoid. One that is not is:

"Since the 1930's, every businessman has understood that a private capitalist economy must have massive state subsidies..."

This is, of course, utter nonsense.

On the whole, though, interesting reading. Thanks for posting it.



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Re: Chomsky on the Drug War [Re: Phred]
    #356293 - 07/17/01 02:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

if you wanna get into Chomsky, I just read "What Uncle Sam Really Wants"...it's short but really an eye-opener and a good introduction...highly recommended



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Re: Chomsky on the Drug War [Re: Heysoos]
    #357472 - 07/20/01 12:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Chomsky has definitely carried on the anarchist tradition. I highly recommend the following:

audio (available from AK Press)
Propaganda and Control of the Public Mind
Free Market Fantasies: Capitalism in the Real World
The Clinton Vision: Old Wine, New Bottles
etc.
There are many bootleg audio recordings of his university lectures - kinda difficult to find, but they are around.

Books
Manufacturing Consent: the political economy of the mass media (video is availabe at most university libraries, as is the video-companion book)
The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many
Year 501: The Conquest Continues
Class Warfare: Interviews
etc.

online
The Chomsky Archives

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http://www.abolishthebank.org

Edited by Agent Cooper on 07/19/01 11:12 PM.



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Re: Chomsky on the Drug War [Re: delian]
    #376306 - 08/22/01 11:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Noam Chomsky is a brilliant moron who would be better off sticking to linguistics. His socio-political philsophy is laughable at best, but of course I'm never too surprised to meet idealistic college kids who are sucked in by his utopian posturing and anti-Corporate rhetoric. It makes me wonder if any of these idiots have taken the time to read Hayek, Friedman, Sowell, or someone who actually understands economic forces- unlike Chomsky.

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Re: Chomsky on the Drug War [Re: moonrawk]
    #376428 - 08/22/01 03:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Milton fu@#ing Friedman! what a joke, that man would have been a brilliant thinker...200 years ago. His ideas are nothing more than an old hack economist who wants liberal ideology to rule the world.
Chomsky at least has the balls to take a look at things in a new light. And as far as socio-political philosophy goes linguistics is in many ways the same thing....but lets not try to split hairs on such a confounding subject.



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Re: Chomsky on the Drug War [Re: Lenore]
    #376543 - 08/22/01 06:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well, you're free to your opinions, however Milton Friedman is one of the most respected economists ever. People do not acquire that kind of recognition due to their out-of-date (ie. bad) ideas. Perhaps if you are so certain of your opinion you'll share with us specifically what problems you have with Milton Friedman's work. You'll forgive me for asking but your reply was a little more than non-substantive.

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Re: Chomsky on the Drug War [Re: Lenore]
    #376544 - 08/22/01 06:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Oh yes, and since when is "looking at things in a new light" ipso facto a good thing?

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Re: Chomsky on the Drug War [Re: moonrawk]
    #376688 - 08/22/01 10:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Friedman's economic and political theories are akin to those of the first scottish economist, the true liberals. Anyone who would espouse total privatization of the economy, and absolute rights to private property is a foe of mine. Friedman's famous work "Capitalism and Freedom" couldn't be more wrong. The man sees only what he wants to see in Capitalist societies, he thinks in one dimensional ways. Unfortunately it would seem the USA sides with Friedman and those like you moonrawk. Economics be damned!



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Re: Chomsky on the Drug War [Re: moonrawk]
    #378741 - 08/25/01 09:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

His socio-political philsophy is laughable at best




What socio-political "philsophy" do you mean? Chomsky has never formulated such a thing - his political work is nothing more than an analysis of U.S. foreign policy and the role of State Department/corporate propaganda in the justification of such actions. No ideologies.

In reply to:

but of course I'm never too surprised to meet idealistic college kids who are sucked in by his utopian posturing and anti-Corporate rhetoric




I once heard Chomsky speak on the Isreali-US- Palastinian relations - the crowd was 99% middle aged Muslim - hardly your typical "idealistic college kid" crowd. A friend of mine who has read most of Chomsky's works (a 68 year old Japanese man) also heard him speak - the event was sponsored by a labor group & the crowd was mostly blue-collar organized workers.

Utopian posturing? Please demonstrate Chomsky's "utopian" vision? You will have difficulty because there is none! He has never set out some sort of socio-political formula & he is certainly not utopian. His analysis is practical and based upon facts using scientific methods.

oh yeah - Friedman is a joke too.



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