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OfflineMycoJunkie
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How much more potent are Pan Cyans and "Woodlovers" compared to P. Cube?
    #3529532 - 12/22/04 12:07 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Would you say Pan Cyan potency is 200% or so of Cubes? Would 1g of cyans be equivilent to 2g of cubes? How about All of the Psilocybe family? Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy.


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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cube? [Re: MycoJunkie]
    #3529592 - 12/22/04 12:21 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This info is somewhere in this site as content or link, but I can't find it. here it goes. it's not clear but it's understandable.




SPECIES % PSILOCYBIN % PSILOCIN % BAEOCYSTIN REFERENCE
P. azurenscens 1.78 .38 .35 Stamets and Gartz 1995
P. bohemica 1.34 .11 .02 Gartz and Muller 1989; Gartz (1994)
P. semilanceata .98 .02 .36 Gartz 1994
P. baeocystis .85 .59 .10 Repke et al. 1977; Beug and Bigwood 1982(b)
P. cyanescens .85 .36 .03 Stijve and Kuyper 1985; Repke et al. 1977
P. tampanensis .68 .32 n/a Gartz 1994
P. cubensis .63 .60 .025 Gartz 1994; Stijve and de Meijer 1993
P. weilii .61 .27 .05
P. hoogshagenii .60 .10 n/a Heim and Hofmann 1958
P. stuntzii .36 .12 .02 Beug and Bigwood 1982(b); Repke et al. 1977
P. cyanofibrillosa .21 .04 n/a Stamets et al. 1980
P. liniformans .16 n/d .005 Stijve and Kuyper


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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cube? [Re: Polecat]
    #3529623 - 12/22/04 12:26 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Ahh, I see. So Azures are almost 300% more Psilocybin potent and 60% (Give or take) Psilocin potent compared to P. Cubensis. Is psilocybin or Psilocin more psychoactive? I heard it was psilocybin, but I'm not 100% sure.

I'd say they're about average (4.5), when it comes to the 1-10 scale of the psychoactive shrooms specieses.

Btw, Thx Polecat.


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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cu [Re: MycoJunkie]
    #3529972 - 12/22/04 01:32 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

That list has been found to be a little off for average. Pan cyans and azures are said to be about the same potency (about 200% like you said). Ps cyans are said to be about 200-300% of cubies. I think its just that azures and pan cyans vary more. From what I've heard potency goes in an order more like this..grain lovers->dung lovers->grass lovers->wood lovers Someone can correct me if I'm wrong...

When trying to figure out the potency with psilocybin and psilocin your supposed to take the psilocin number and double it then add it to the psilocybin units...then you can compare numbers directly. Like I said though, the chart has been said to be inconsistent.

They say with exotic psycho-actives its best to start with .5-1 gram and work your way up in .5 gram increments from there.


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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cu [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3530457 - 12/22/04 05:27 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This post has little to do with actual chem content, but is relational to experience.

anymore then 5 grams of cyans and I wake up thinking im in hell(this is literal, nota joke.) I usually have total amnesia and it takes me a while to figure out who i am and what happened in the last week. I believe that cyans give a different trip then cubes anywho, cubes are always a body high...with cyans I usually blank out near the peak, go to very crazy and uncontrollable dream worlds and dont come back till I wake up the next morning. Awake inside my mind best put I spose.

Not sure if this was what you were looking for but, Id say they are 2-3 times more potent then cubes. Depends on your experience with both. Example being, someone who is comfortable with 4 grams of cubes may take 2 grams of cyans and may be caught of guard by the potency.

Since theres a smaller mushroom flesh to chem content ratio also, personally i believe if you chew them up very well your going to receive higher concentrations at once then with cubes, perhaps why cyans seem to sneak up on me. This is just my opinion based on experience and could be completely wrong.

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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cu [Re: Majestic]
    #3530633 - 12/22/04 08:15 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Pan. Cyan. is the most visual and smoothest of all shrooms I've tried AZURE. and Ps.CYAN. - they seem to give a speedy and somewhat anxious experience.
DOSE: For a unforgettable experience = 2 gr. max of PAN.CYAN.
You can not do enough cubies to equal it.


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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cu [Re: cardinalgreen]
    #3530910 - 12/22/04 10:33 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

....*why the hell is my friend growing cubies....*....


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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cu [Re: ADoobie]
    #3530921 - 12/22/04 10:37 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

THE sells pan.cams and they say that a exspiranced psillynut only needs 1/2 gram to trip


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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cu [Re: ADoobie]
    #3530935 - 12/22/04 10:39 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

>why the hell is my friend growing cubies

Because they are the easiest species to grow.


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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cu [Re: Anno]
    #3530943 - 12/22/04 10:41 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

pans arnt that hard if you know how to be clean lest in theoy from what i read and shit only a few more monts and a will fl00d this site with my foafs growlogs


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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cu [Re: onetime]
    #3531127 - 12/22/04 11:35 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Excellent! We all anxiously await those in great anticipation.


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Re: How much more potent are Pan Cyans and P. Azurs, bohemica, stuntzii and baeocy compared to P. Cu [Re: Anno]
    #3531704 - 12/22/04 02:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hi

Thanks those who contributed their knowledge to this thread, it's very handy!

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