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OfflineLearyfan
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There will always be wars
    #3523452 - 12/20/04 07:58 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I was talking to my grandmother last night. Somehow the subject of Bush and the war came up.

My grandmother's justification for the war is that "The Bible says that there will always be wars."

Discuss.........








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Re: There will always be wars [Re: Learyfan]
    #3523550 - 12/20/04 09:09 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

There always has been and always will be conflict. Whether it be between two people arguing who has the best <insert random product> or between two countries who can't agree who owns a piece of dirt.

Yet, I don't believe there will always be war. I am hoping people who do believe this will remove themselves from the genepool fighting their wars.

As for the bible, I think you should replace your Grandmothers copy with Mein Kampf, see if she is willing to believe everything in there.


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Re: There will always be wars [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3523564 - 12/20/04 09:32 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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st0nedphucker said:
There always has been and always will be conflict. Whether it be between two people arguing who has the best <insert random product> or between two countries who can't agree who owns a piece of dirt.

Yet, I don't believe there will always be war. I am hoping people who do believe this will remove themselves from the genepool fighting their wars.

As for the bible, I think you should replace your Grandmothers copy with Mein Kampf, see if she is willing to believe everything in there.




Had she been brought up in Nazi Germany, i'm sure she'd have just as much blind faith in that system. As for now, she seems to see war as no big deal because after all, it's in the bible. Can't do anything about it, I guess.

The lady's a sweetheart and I love her, but her comment threw me for a loop as it made me speculate on how many other people accept war based on reasoning such as this.






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Re: There will always be wars [Re: Learyfan]
    #3523578 - 12/20/04 09:43 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I know what you mean, I meant no disrespect.

I can actually relate in a sense, I find some of my father's views very offensive but I don't blame him for them. After 20 years of reading Rupert Murdoch's 'The Sun' he has lost all ability to see things from a different angle.

"It's those bloody immigrants."

Imagine having to put up with that everytime you're debating anything remotely poltical.  :smirk:


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Re: There will always be wars [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #3523850 - 12/20/04 12:21 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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st0nedphucker said:
I know what you mean, I meant no disrespect.

I can actually relate in a sense, I find some of my father's views very offensive but I don't blame him for them. After 20 years of reading Rupert Murdoch's 'The Sun' he has lost all ability to see things from a different angle.

"It's those bloody immigrants."

Imagine having to put up with that everytime you're debating anything remotely poltical.  :smirk:




Oh, no offense taken. That's funny about your Grandfather. I'll probably be like him some day.

"It's that bloody drug war"






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Re: There will always be wars [Re: Learyfan]
    #3524034 - 12/20/04 01:52 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I demand a retraction of the statement that 'there will always be wars'... if said retraction is not evident by midnight, we will have to go to war over it :laugh:

it will be the war to end all wars!


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Re: There will always be wars [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #3524053 - 12/20/04 02:02 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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I demand a retraction of the statement that 'there will always be wars'... if said retraction is not evident by midnight, we will have to go to war over it :laugh:

it will be the war to end all wars!




Hmm, a war.....to end wars.

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Re: There will always be wars [Re: Learyfan]
    #3524160 - 12/20/04 02:43 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I talked to a christian girl this past summer and asked her who she would be voting for. she replied, "I dont vote or pay attention to politics. I figure our government knows more about things than I do, so I have faith in them, especially the christian politicians."

I think the problem is holding faith.
I mean, what is faith? maintaining a belief regardless of evidence or other persuasions.
...and we all know christains sure have faith.


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Re: There will always be wars [Re: Vvellum]
    #3524315 - 12/20/04 03:28 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Having "faith" in your government (especially the United States government at this time) is like trusting a wolf to guard your sheep.


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Re: There will always be wars [Re: Vvellum]
    #3524337 - 12/20/04 03:38 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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bi0 said:
I talked to a christian girl this past summer and asked her who she would be voting for. she replied, "I dont vote or pay attention to politics. I figure our government knows more about things than I do, so I have faith in them, especially the christian politicians."





:nonono:


Quote:

I think the problem is holding faith.
I mean, what is faith? maintaining a belief regardless of evidence or other persuasions.
...and we all know christains sure have faith.




Exactly. Faith is the absence of reason or logic.





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Re: There will always be wars [Re: Learyfan]
    #3524524 - 12/20/04 04:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

That's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, psychologically speaking. I disagree.

A: I know I don't think anything is worth going to war for.
B: I am human, just like everybody else

C: Everybody else can think nothing is worth going to war for.

A + B => C


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Re: There will always be wars [Re: Learyfan]
    #3524567 - 12/20/04 04:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Your grandmother is a loon. Ask her what sort of ghosts and spirits hide in the closet.


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Re: There will always be wars [Re: SoopaX]
    #3527195 - 12/21/04 11:47 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

drama = conflict, some type of conflict or opposition of any sort whatsoever; and for there to be a story of existence, there must always be a drama - a tension of opposite poles. Or else the story is done.

War is not needed - I think we and the active fullness of biological life vs the apparent passive emptiness, mystery and discoveries of space would make a good next chapter. The drama must continue...will it be united humans at war with *duh duh duuuuh* illegal aliens?


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