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P. caerulipes or something better?
    #3519091 - 12/19/04 01:43 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

[edit by shroomydan]
This post has been moved because I think it deserves it's own thread. It was originally posted here.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3489811/an/0/page/0


U R right super. They are found of wood chips along
rivers and in river valleys. They especially like
maple, elm, spruce, hickory, and probably beech.
They will however grow on just about any kind
of wood.



This is what they look like when they first come up in the fall.
These things stink. If you can't find them with just your
nose when they are on chips you need to quit smoking
whatever you are smoking. They smell like cubes times three.

These things are by my unexperienced estimation as least
as potent as azures. They can be larger than azures.
They stain blue and then black as azures do.
When mature they can look like azures, weilis, wavy's
or any other wood loving psilocybe.

The seasons are: the same as yellow morels, and in the
fall they start a couple weeks after blewits and
continue concurrent with them.



The odd shape of the gills is caused by the cold, I think,
they aren't wavy like this in the spring.

These bluefoot want to be found, happy hunting.


Edited by shroomydan (12/19/04 04:10 PM)


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Re: Shrooms around the tennessee area.... [Re: falcon]
    #3520603 - 12/19/04 03:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Whoa falcon! :eek:

You must tell us more about these mushrooms. P. caerulipes is probably the most sought after and and most rarely found mushroom in this part of the country. I've never found them myself, despite years of searching.

I'm not sure what you found are Psilocybe caerulipes though.
Arora says;

"P. caerulipes of eastern North America blues only slightly if at all; it has a more or less evanescent veil and grows on hard wood logs and debris. Like P. stuntzii it is weakly hallucinogenic."


Your mushrooms seem better. I would love to here what MJ and the others have say about these.


Edited by shroomydan (12/19/04 07:34 PM)


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: falcon]
    #3520841 - 12/19/04 04:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Is that a the basidiocarp of the spores you sent me? If so, I'll get them under a microscope ASAP.


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Re: Shrooms around the tennessee area.... [Re: shroomydan]
    #3521009 - 12/19/04 05:35 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

When they are found on scattered debri they resemble
Arora's and Lincoffs description. When they are found
on chips the mycellia forms dense mats and the
fruit bodies are packed on top of the chips
tightly. They come in a variety of shapes.


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3521017 - 12/19/04 05:37 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Yes it is.


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: falcon]
    #3521123 - 12/19/04 06:04 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

THey are definately l not P. caerulipes which has a season in Ohio and Michigan from May through August. Pictures can be viewed here:

http://mushroomjohn.com/species26.htm

mj and have a shroomy day.

Your shrooms are are awfully small looking and do not have the colors of P. caerulipes.

mj

Where did you find those at?

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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3521216 - 12/19/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

In a river valley on wood chips. Eastern U.S.


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: falcon]
    #3521274 - 12/19/04 06:45 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Just curious but in a river valley in Eastern USA?

Why would there be chips in a valley when chips are usually place3d in man-made environments, b not in valleys. Was it someones garden, What state, etc. Eastern USA is a long border?

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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3521306 - 12/19/04 06:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Any ideas what they are?


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: falcon]
    #3521600 - 12/19/04 08:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Did you make a spore print? How did it show up?


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: World Spirit]
    #3522594 - 12/20/04 12:19 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Prints are purple brown. They don't print very well though
in the fall.


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: falcon]
    #3522618 - 12/20/04 12:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

was there a slimy filmlike cover-layer on the cap that you could pull off?


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: World Spirit]
    #3522632 - 12/20/04 12:33 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The pellicle was only slightly moist and I
didn't try to peel it.


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3527620 - 12/21/04 02:17 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

MJ, I have found many parks around here where the DNR will put woodchips down on trails.


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3528164 - 12/21/04 04:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

YidakiMan said:
MJ, I have found many parks around here where the DNR will put woodchips down on trails.




-Same here- also- I note that in the older photo (which I have seen many times) on MJ's site of the caerulipes they are a dark solid color (brown prob.) and only when waterloged seem to have much variation in color (patchy). I would imagine falcons claim to be not entirely impossible. Nice, lively pics and a good topic, BTW falcon. More photos- more info. Chop chop!


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: superblingtheory]
    #3528327 - 12/21/04 05:40 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)






The stems are very tough and hollow when they are mature.


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: falcon]
    #3528448 - 12/21/04 06:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)



Chop:

Shapes: They will grow in many
different shapes and all can be present in the same
location. Some will have the same shape as azures
except the stems will be much stouter than any
pic I've seen of azures. When I first saw these
I thought they were azures with some oddballs
thrown in because they were fruiting in
the spring.

They can look like weiliis stout short and
thick stemmed with inturned margins at the
cap edges. There are also stout thick
stemmed short mushrooms with sinusodal
marins with maybe 10 peaks and valleys.

They can look like wavies.

The stem thickness varies from 2mm to 20mm
and probably more. When growing on
chips they will cover the entire
bed and the stems will be fused
half way up the mushroom.


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: falcon]
    #3529179 - 12/21/04 10:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you, man of action!


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Re: P. caerulipes or something better? [Re: superblingtheory]
    #3598350 - 01/08/05 02:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I tested spores of this and they seemed to be inamyloid. But I checked my books and The Genus Psilocybe online and couldn't seem to get any more certain.


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