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OfflinePhluck
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Re: Film = second rate artform [Re: Darcho] * 1
    #3527109 - 12/21/04 09:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Films that tend to focus on visual and musical beauty are most often documentaries or musicals: "Microcosmos" or "Fantasia" for example.

I don't think that's true at all. I think that a lot of film viewers take the visual elements of films for granted. You mentioned the Matrix, which had teams of artists creating very elaborate designs.

When you're watching movies, realize that every shot has been planned out. Try to think about why the director chose each shot, often things like the placement of characters, framing, etc... have much more meaning than you'd initially notice.


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Re: Film = second rate artform [Re: Phluck] * 1
    #3527228 - 12/21/04 09:58 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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try to think about why the director chose each shot, often things like the placement of characters, framing, etc... have much more meaning than you'd initially notice.




i am constantly taking notice to camera angles, placement, lighting... etc.
you know what your talking about.
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Re: Film = second rate artform [Re: thePatient] * 1
    #3529790 - 12/21/04 10:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

This might be sounding redundant a little but here I'm still looking for an answer:

In (narrative)film, for better or worse, is their as much room for personal interpertation from the veiwer as in other fields of art?


A very crude example could be; if there is a chase during the climax of a plot. The story up to that point has given rise to the importance of the chase or whatever and the music plays to create suspense or thrill and the visuals on screen create excitement and awe of the chase. Where is the ambiguity in that? (or is ambiguity not necessary for the greatest possible impact on a veiwer)


To me, it seems the space between the creator of a film and a veiwer is lessened favoring the creator(s) in relation to other fields of art (traditional or non-traditional). After a director combines all these elements and syncs them to create an emotion/impact what is left for critical thought or personal interpertation? While watching a movie to me it seems easy to understand what your supposed to feel instead of just feeling.


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When you're watching movies, realize that every shot has been planned out. Try to think about why the director chose each shot, often things like the placement of characters, framing, etc... have much more meaning than you'd initially notice.





Not only how the shots being planned out but choosing which ones to choose and at what legnth during the editing process. One shoots for 90 days and edits for 10 months compiling the work of a cinimetographer, screenwriter, music score, computer artists, effects, plot elements, etc. The smoothness of film now compared to 50-60 years ago is a testament to the evolution of editing techniques and and technology. No easy feat making a film.


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Re: Film = second rate artform [Re: DirtMcgirt] * 1
    #3529803 - 12/21/04 10:58 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

While I'm on the subject:

Anybody have any movies I need to watch to bring back my faith in film? I've seen as many as anybody else and am constantly around film "buffs" but I'd welcome any suggestions....


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Re: Film = second rate artform [Re: DirtMcgirt] * 1
    #3530045 - 12/21/04 11:49 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

5 random selections from my DVD collection, to dispel the foolhardy notion that films are no more than a script and actor's performances.

12 Monkeys
Brazil
Naked Lunch
Videodrome
Dark City

Cinematography. Editing. Score. Special Effects. Script. Acting. A movie isn't just a piece of art, it's a combination of many different forms of art. It is unquestionably one of the greatest forms of human expression.


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Re: Film = second rate artform [Re: Metatrad] * 1
    #3530124 - 12/22/04 12:11 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

12 monkeys
Brazil


:thumbup: :thumbup:

like those pics.  I'll have to check out VideoDrome and Naked Lunch sometime....


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