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OfflinekronnyQ
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I wish all conservatives would just die
    #3517647 - 12/18/04 06:30 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"The truth is meaningless to a conservative; they only have one thing to fear: Change."


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: kronnyQ]
    #3517661 - 12/18/04 06:36 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Conservatives aren't really conservative; they want to change the world more than liberals.

They just have a view of how it should be changed that I don't share.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: kronnyQ]
    #3517812 - 12/18/04 07:19 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I wish everyone would just die.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: afoaf]
    #3517859 - 12/18/04 07:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3517988 - 12/18/04 08:41 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I wish all conservatives would die too.

Except Ron Paul of Texas. Ron Paul is cool and does not deserve death for being a whore of satan. The rest of them can go though.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: kronnyQ]
    #3518036 - 12/18/04 09:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

This is why libs are not in power. The best intellectual argument they can muster is "i just hate them". Thats not gonna win an election.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: Catalysis]
    #3518060 - 12/18/04 09:15 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Bullshit.

I can see it now. All the republicans are sitting around their computers going "If only there was an intellectual argument for liberal positions, I'd have voted for Kerry. But I read all the academic political journals, and I'm just not convinced these social, economic, etc analysis are sound, and on the basis of all this hefty intellectual work I've done, I'm voting republican."

Bullshit, republicans just want a brown minority they can piss on. As long as we can keep sending our fellow humans off to bomb brown skinned foriengers, they are happy.

For republicans, an intellectual argument for a proposition is by itself evidence against it. So, we have an issue, say seperation of church and state. The republicans look at the intellectual arguments for seperation of church and state and think "Ah yuck, we're gonna show them uppity liberals with their book smarts. Lets tear down the wall between church and state. That'll show them for not conforming to my religion." The republicans are very very very anti-intellectual. Yes, we hate them, but we hate them because they are not swayed by intellectual arguments, not the other way around. The reason libs are not in power is because so much of this country is too stupid to understand intellectual argumentation, or is hostile to it.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: tomk]
    #3518086 - 12/18/04 09:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Oh you mean "intellectual argumentation" like how we need to get rid of the boy scouts?  how we need to legalize killing a fetus after its born because thats "the women's right"?  how we need to milk social security until its gone because 1/4 of voters are over 60?

I could intellectually argue any of these until the cows come home and it has been done..and americans made their choice.  Like ive said before, i actually agree with more liberal policy than i do republican but, goddamit, give me a reason to vote for a liberal lol.  :tongue:

btw, i make $24,000 a year and im sure that just because im white, i dont live any better than this repressed "brown minority" that you talk about.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: Catalysis]
    #3518130 - 12/18/04 09:42 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"give me a reason to vote for a liberal lol."

Here are three







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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: tomk]
    #3518143 - 12/18/04 09:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Democrats thought that would be enough...but that is why they lost. They were like "oh 70% of americans are against the war, so lets just nominate the most liberal, anti-military candidate we can find and just take over the white house, congress, and the supreme court. Then they proceded to blow an election that most people thought the dems would have to actually TRY to lose if they were to be defeated.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: Catalysis]
    #3518161 - 12/18/04 09:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I still say kucinich could have carried the ticket.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: afoaf]
    #3518183 - 12/18/04 09:58 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I think Wesley Clark would have won by a landslide.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: Catalysis]
    #3518197 - 12/18/04 10:01 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I think the Republicans should've nominated David Duke.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: Catalysis]
    #3518202 - 12/18/04 10:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

No, that isn't why they lost.

They lost because it's easy to manipulate people into fearing outsiders, and the republicans crafted an image in the public mind of american hating gays, american hating terrorists, american hating french, etc, and was able to play off these bigoted stereotypes to gain an advantage and win. It's how republicans always win. Recipe for conservative electorial win:

1.) Label a group a threat (welfare moms, gays, blacks, terrorists, arabs, muslims, french, communists) to the moral order or physical safety of the country. Bonus points for making it seem like the minority is a threat to women and children (peddling drugs to kids, black men raping white women, communists infiltrating schools, etc). Bonus points for linking the divergent 'other' groups together into a big conspiracy (those homo commie hollywood types threaten our children with their entertainment).

2.) Spend little time discussing why the group is a threat, rather, assume it is a threat, and frame the debate as who is better able to handle the threat. Bonus points for hysteria while talking about the threat. For example, don't spend time studying the effects of marijuana, rather, get the newspapers to publish reports of black dudes raping white women while stoned. This way, anyone who disagrees with you about the threat will be seen as weak against it.

3.) Turn the supposed threat into a clash of cultural and religious values. Darky is raping the white women while stoned becomes Demon worshipping negroes use marijuana in satanic rituals and then rape white women.

4.) Frame the issue such that you, as a republican are against the religious and cultural non-conforming stereotyped minority, and, therefore, your opponent must be for them.

5.) Make direct appeals to the stupidest half of the country, for example, by attending nascar events, while making carefully worded appeals to the more bigoted part of your base. Be careful here, if you are not careful, and end up doing something too backwards this step could backfire. "I want judges that support Dred Scott" is acceptable because most conservatives will recognize this as code for overturning Roe V Wade, but "I wish strom thurmond was elected in 1948" is a little overboard.

6.) Sit back and watch the votes come in.

Step 7 is new:

7.) When the votes don't go your way, get your friends in flordia to disenfranchize part of the demonized minority, then get your buddies in the voting machine business to make the machines with no paper trail for the next election.

The dems didn't lose because of mistakes they made, rather they lost because the republicans have a very effective recipe for electorial success.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: tomk]
    #3518215 - 12/18/04 10:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

when i see that picture of coni rice i think 2008? the libs would be fucking crying.... a black female conservative!


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: tomk]
    #3518220 - 12/18/04 10:07 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Make direct appeals to the stupidest half of the country, for example, by attending nascar events, while making carefully worded appeals to the more bigoted part of your base.




To quote Christian Slater, "the irony is exquisite". LOL


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3518229 - 12/18/04 10:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
when i see that picture of coni rice i think 2008? the libs would be fucking crying.... a black female conservative!




yeah, one article in a liberal paper called her an Aunt Jemima...that oughta be helpful in '08


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: Catalysis]
    #3518242 - 12/18/04 10:13 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The irony falls apart since I don't like either side and do not have a base.


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: tomk]
    #3518256 - 12/18/04 10:16 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

the irony doesn't lie in the word "base", but in the words "stupidist half", "nascar", and "bigoted".


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Re: I wish all conservatives would just die [Re: tomk]
    #3518260 - 12/18/04 10:17 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

heh, no, the irony is that you said the stupidest half of the country attends nascar events while condemning bigotry in the same sentence...that takes skill.  :stoned:


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