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The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested.
    #3517284 - 12/18/04 02:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

A place for us to exist and trip together. A gathering of sort, instead of ungathering we stay to live. We've always talked about it but it never happens. A small island, a nice piece of flat land someplace next to a flowing river.

The shroomery needs to come together and build an environment where we can ponder these thoughts all day. Build new time to exist by, calculate the stars.

All who wish to one day come together and exist in a realm we can call our own please make a post. We need responses.

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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517288 - 12/18/04 02:04 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

nice idea but seems highly unlikely

im not gonna go into why it wont work because maybe im wrong

personally im gonna go out into the world and find where i feel at home rather than try to make a little camp with my internet buddies


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3517295 - 12/18/04 02:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Why not push it a little bit farther and want to build a small community. Where your internet buddies are just a step away. If we could only gather our funds and our stuff and build a community together. That is what we need. Then we can eat shrooms together all the time and smoke buds together.

Together, is the key word.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517298 - 12/18/04 02:11 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Moonshoe we need more people that are willing to put an effort into building a community together. Together we can study the shrooms and study the effects and role it plays on us. Build a spiritual community.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517300 - 12/18/04 02:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

nice vision but building a sustainable ocmmunity requires materials, money lots of money, skilled labourers, sewage, running water, electricians, farmers, food sources... jobs, yes jobs unless you grow the weed yourself in which case you also need to look out for the law, then theres issues of stores where you can buy stuff you need, and dentisty, medical care, transportation, plus youd need to find a location that met all your needs and buy it or else squat there illegally...



its not easy to build a commune.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3517316 - 12/18/04 02:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, but it is always possible. There was once an australian resort that existed next to a rainforest that was being sold for 1million. Now if you take 100 shroomerites together and put our heads together on first creating businesses to gather the money then one would definelty have a chance.

Who is interested in starting internet business with me? We need to work together is all and have our minds set on one thing. Having a large piece of land next to a rainforest.

I'd like more responses. Don't let this thread die.
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517328 - 12/18/04 02:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517330 - 12/18/04 02:23 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

can it be an island state like in the prisoner - who is number 1?


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3517333 - 12/18/04 02:24 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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nice vision but building a sustainable ocmmunity requires materials, money lots of money, skilled labourers, sewage, running water, electricians, farmers, food sources... jobs, yes jobs unless you grow the weed yourself in which case you also need to look out for the law, then theres issues of stores where you can buy stuff you need, and dentisty, medical care, transportation, plus youd need to find a location that met all your needs and buy it or else squat there illegally...






^^^^what he said, there's a very practical side which often punctures the pipe dream of building a Walden's pond type of utopia


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3517350 - 12/18/04 02:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'm down for it.

I think all we need is a shelter, some soil, and some seeds. We could maybe have a satellite internet connection so we could find out how to help the sick, medications can always be ordered from Canada, and many of the problems have herbal solutions so we wouldn't always have to order medication. If somebody needed a surgery they could be flown out. And if people don't brush their teeth it's their own damn fault.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517354 - 12/18/04 02:33 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Solar electricity, a little known water-source called the ocean.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517360 - 12/18/04 02:36 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I live near and co-op veggies with an "intentional community" and so many arrive with your dream. Funny the HARD fucking work of living "on the land" send most home to Mom and Dad. No one lives simply and lives a sybaritic lifestyle of shrooming and smoking while contemplating the stars. One thinks of the morrows workday, firewood and food. That is why those of us who have lived thusly for a number of years have realized the importance of ritual and holiday to enjoy the "fruit" of our labor.
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517364 - 12/18/04 02:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Wysefool - Where would you want it to be located?

I think we should first put our minds together and open up several online businesses. Then start to save money for maybe buying an australian rainforest resort. What do you think?

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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: whiterasta]
    #3517366 - 12/18/04 02:39 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'd much rather toil in the fields than do whatever I'm going to end up doing here. At least I'd know my work is being put to good use and benefitting good people.

Besides, we could shroom and smoke at night, that's when the stars are out for contemplating anyhow.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517371 - 12/18/04 02:42 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Not to play the devil's advocate here man but how are you going to do the work and toil in the fields during the day if you've been up all nighht on shrooms/weed contemplating the stars?  :rolleyes:


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3517372 - 12/18/04 02:44 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

FreakQlibrium - Please stay on topic.

Is anyone interested in opening up a few online businesses?

Please let me know.

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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517373 - 12/18/04 02:44 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

As long as it's warm and a good distance from "civilized" people it sounds good to me. I wouldn't even mind if it was in a really cold place except for that would make crops really hard to grow.

What's the best area for growing cannabis? How about Thailand, isn't land there pretty cheap, and aren't many drugs legal there?

Another important thing would be for us to have an export crop, and it probably couldn't be our pot plants. :frown:

Maybe we could grow and distribute a line of herbal medicine and entheobotanicals?


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3517377 - 12/18/04 02:46 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Uh I guess you would eat your mushrooms at 6pm so you could go to sleep around midnight?

I'll do what I can for the online businesses... What did you have in mind?


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517380 - 12/18/04 02:47 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry man i thought i was on topic, my apologies :smile:


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517382 - 12/18/04 02:47 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

If hippies can do it Shroomerites can too!


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517389 - 12/18/04 02:52 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Online businesses. Candy stores. Clothing lines.
How about a shroomery clothing line?


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517402 - 12/18/04 02:57 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

T-shirts promoting the shroomery village.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517408 - 12/18/04 02:58 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

personally im pretty invested in my own little project here in canada, but if you guys get it going ill make a summer trip to hang out and pitch in with some labour.

ill bring down some drizzugs for yall to, to feed the effort. there was another thread along time ago about buying a shroomery island, you could search that up. is this just an s & P island or should this be in the off topic or pub or gathering forum?


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517412 - 12/18/04 02:59 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I think Shroomery already has a clothing line...

I would suggest an ethno shop but I live with my parents right now so I couldn't grow the stock. If you have lots of spores you could try selling syringes.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517417 - 12/18/04 03:01 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Oh god please don't put this thread in OTD. I think S&P is the crowd we want to attract. Even though a lot of pubbers would want to come I bet most of them are lazy hippies.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517419 - 12/18/04 03:01 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

your signature is awesome wysefool. how long have you been around ?


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517429 - 12/18/04 03:05 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, I liked your old avatar lots too.

I've been around since 12/26/02 as you can see. But I mainly posted in OTD :rolleyes:

I didn't realize the other forums got replies as fast, I'm definitely addicted to S&P now!


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517441 - 12/18/04 03:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

No offense to any hippies BTW, I once considered myself as a sort of hippie, most of you have your hearts in the right place, even if your brains are in outer space :grin:

Who am I kidding, my brain's probably not even in this galaxy...


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517443 - 12/18/04 03:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

If this was ever to really work and not only work in one place but to spread into other communities,because that would be the ultimate goal. To make serious change and influence people in a positive light. Here is my idea I have thought about for a while. If the idea was not completely wrapped around a community to get stoned and more a community of good Ecology, Peace and good foods.........Party's


There are several small towns that can be bought pretty cheap, very cheap in West Virgina and a few other states. They might have had 1,000-3,000 people at one time . Then the local mine closed or something and 95% of the people move away. Find one with a possible tourist attraction, Wild forest, beautiful scenery, something. Then a buy few buildings at a time or all the down town area. Then start a non-profit foundation non-drug related(to keep the feds away) Something everyone could agree on and get it going. It would take a few years and a lot of hard work. The cash ? Once 20-100 people pull toghter for a good cause. The cash come flowing in from people who gegin to see the real possiablty of it working but just can't be there, they got fat cash to invest. There is a lot more to this idea But i think it would work. Everyone would still make cash but in a way that conforms to the ecosystem you are trying to stay within etc...... As a non-profit town the basic stores and would still pat employees a paycheck and not pay no taxes but make no profit. The tourist shit would provide cash flow and more paychecks. No details here but you may get the idea. No one can be in it to get rich, in fatc everyine would be failry poor but well feed, at peace, good foods, clean enviroment etc.......... You know

After 10 years if successful it would be the Mecca of the right way to live and treat each other. The idea of going out into the woods or the desert just makes for a Waco disaster. But if done within the fabric of society and melted into the agreed ideals. I think this would have a far better chance of making it


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3517467 - 12/18/04 03:17 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

heres an idea, start a shroomery poll with the questions

1. would you be interested in leaving your home to live in a commune with other shroomerites?

2. would you be willing to contribute significant money and labour?

and then maybe a poll of professions to see what kind of skills we have at our disposal


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3517469 - 12/18/04 03:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Fucknuckle are you interested in starting an online business?


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517498 - 12/18/04 03:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

It is a idea......... Lets see of many bites we get on this thread. And throw some fresh ideas around first. I think it is going to take a entire different set of mind sets to pull it off. I mean the idea of getting a dozen of so people in one property and living in a commune as be done many times and the same result happens. After a few years people leave. The guy who bought the place lives there happily ever after and lets anybody crash for days at a time. Nice place. Or the people who put there cash in the pot sell out a few years later and it ends in a nasty dispute. Or the feds come in a kill everybody.


I really think it would take a much different approach. It would have to be within American culture and society but yet on a new path.

To take a poll would show that people are interested. But it would take research and a business plan to show the short term goals, the long term goals and the structure of how all it would work. It would start in a way the depended on the site and the income streams. There are many people that would contribute, that we can be sure off. The first step is to build a plan, a structure to present to people. A set of ideals and goals.


But we can start a poll anyway and see what bites. Lets use this thread to get some ideas and some sort of basic structure then see who wants to get involved.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517500 - 12/18/04 03:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

How about a non-shroomery but drug-related clothing line? I can draw Spongebob characters doing drugs pretty well...


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517502 - 12/18/04 03:33 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Fucknuckle are you interested in starting an online business?





LOL I have started a few business's of my own and help many others. Right now I am kinda in the " In between " place.............


So yeah Pm me your info :thumbup: I check it out very seriously :grin:


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517504 - 12/18/04 03:36 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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How about a non-shroomery but drug-related clothing line? I can draw Spongebob characters doing drugs pretty well...




Yes there would need to be a cloths shop. See this is what I am talking about. There needs to be a cmmunity of employers and workers.

There can be a Artist community that may be the tourists attraction.


So we have clothes.......you can hook up with other people who make cloths and stuff like that.....


This entire thing would be like a giant co-op but a hippie co-op.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517508 - 12/18/04 03:36 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I think the first goal would be to find a cheap piece of land so we have a goal to reach. Then we can find out how many shroomerites we'll need and how much each will need to have.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517516 - 12/18/04 03:40 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I have to get my drawings from my friend's house. I have a picture like this one:



but he's wearing a tie-dye shirt and sandals, his pupils are huge and underneath it says "Cidward"


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517538 - 12/18/04 03:46 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I think buying land would not work but buying an old run down deserted town or a few buildings righ in the down town strip

Here is a link to the first town I found for sale

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1001552



I will be researching for the next few days


Edit oh look here is a few other people trying to do the same thing. Lots of good infoe in this link


http://www.excelsis.cc/weblog/pavi/archives/000127.php


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3517580 - 12/18/04 04:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

IMO this shouldn't be done in the US, but a place where drugs are legal.

So in what countries are marijuana and mushrooms legal, and the climate can support marijuana?


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3517588 - 12/18/04 04:05 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

recently there has been lots of land going for $1 per plot but you have to build within the year. its was in a pretty dead town where there are no tourists or anything of the likes a 1 pub town. or there was an island going for just over $1 million with house included. just off of the east coast of aussie.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: spudamore]
    #3517613 - 12/18/04 04:10 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

btw everybody there is now a little poll up about this in the pub, i made it by droz's request, its not perfect i sort of made it off the top of my head. unfortunatly i left one to many options on one question so i just made it say 'dont pick this one' but guess what the smart asses do...

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    #3517638 - 12/18/04 04:25 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

This idea has been done so many times its sick.

I think its an awsome idea if people took it seriously. I also think that you need real motivation, not so we can smoke and trip all day. You wanna do that, move into a crack house with 50 other people.

My intent in this world is not to live for myself. If I were to join a commune with others like me, I would not want to step backwards into time. I would want to use cutting edge technology, actively sharing information with the outside world. The community I lived in would feel just as normal as any other town would, except for the better enviromental standards, civil rights, and governing.

There is also the problem with people. I am not perfect, nor are you. There will be conflict, and we would need to govern it somehow OTD is proof of this.


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    #3517650 - 12/18/04 04:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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IMO this shouldn't be done in the US, but a place where drugs are legal.

So in what countries are marijuana and mushrooms legal, and the climate can support marijuana?




I don't mean to be the guy who bust the bubble. But if any real progrees is to happen Drugs can not be the number one force behind it all. It has to be one of the many factors. This can be done in many countires. But if teh entire idea is just to have a place to get stoned with out getting arrested... I think it will fail. It is very i,portant that drugs be made legal but it ain't gonna happen over night amd if" Free reins on drugs" is the first motivator your asking for trouble


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    #3517657 - 12/18/04 04:34 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe if people weren't so pessimistic it could get done. Of course there will be conflict, I think the people posting here in S&P would try their hardest to resolve it but in the end we could always just hold a tribal counsel and vote somebody off the island...

I would actually prefer that it NOT be governed, all matters that can't be agreed on should be voted on...

Of course we wouldn't have cutting edge technology, unless maybe a really rich person moved in. That doesn't mean out information could not be shared. There could be a public computer with a satellite connection and a system for who gets to use it and when. We could have a public website with a page for each member to share whatever might be on their mind. Or at the very least you can always communicate with the outside world using stones and chisels. :tongue:


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    #3517668 - 12/18/04 04:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

If you're creating a community of people from a place called The Shroomery whether or not drugs are the driving force they're going to be a major factor. I'd rather be prepared and live in a place where the drugs are legal than see some (if not most) of our tribesmen carted off to a jail-cell.


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    #3517671 - 12/18/04 04:38 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

It has to be one of the many factors

why is that FN? are you speaking just in terms of THIS particular hypothetical community as suggested by Droz or in general terms?


shit man, sorry for the bold type, Trendal, put down that can of mongoose beer and get in  here and fix it man :grin:

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    #3517702 - 12/18/04 04:52 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Making your way in the world today takes everything you've got.
Taking a break from all your worries, smoking lots of pot.


Wouldn't you like to get away?


Sometimes you want to go, where everybody knows your screenname,
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You wanna be where you can see, our troubles are all the same
You wanna be where everybody knows your screenname.


You wanna go where people know, people are all the same,
You wanna go where everybody knows your screenname.


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    #3517706 - 12/18/04 04:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

IF the idea is to have a community that drugs are legal and that is the entire plan then go for it.

I am getting this thread confused with the revolution thread.


Look I am not saying that people should pussy away from Legal Drugs all I am saying is if there is more at steak then the front page of your plan should not say " HEY FUCK YOU SIR WE ARE GOING TO GET HIGH AND FUCK YOU" Follow me ? Things must be done in a step by step order............ Unless you just want a farm so big the cops can't even think about getting to you. I think that to many people have done that over 30 years and where are they ?


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3517735 - 12/18/04 05:00 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Having a wonderfull conversation about what would be a nice fantasy world is one thing, but getting stuff done is another. In order to get things done, there must be more than optomism. There need to be skeptics, and every single thing that happens must be questioned. This is entirely possible, but a big smile and a half assed plan will not cut it.

Also, as a shroomerite... I do use drugs. I also agree that drug laws are idiotic. On the same note, I can grow most drugs without a problem, smoke them in public without too many complications, and trip all night long with friends without problems. It doesnt matter where you do, you can always have freedom, especially here in the US. We are born with certain rights, and while drugs may not be legal here, privacy is assured in most cases. Other countries that lack drug laws may lack the freedom we desire. I dont want my house to get raided by a bunch of crazy men with guns.

I love my country, I just hate how they operate it. It was founded on great morals. I want to live in a community where we are enviro-friendly, and maintain civil liberties. While we can probably move and hide from the war on drugs forever, we cannot maintain a beautiful environment by running from the problem forever.

There will also be lots of work to be done. I am not saying you wouldnt do it, but just everyone know its there. I would much rather work for the community and myself than for a big corporation, being treated like a slave. Work is just a word, and its what you make it, right?

This is a wonderful idea, and not an original. As we speak, there are many communes operating, and others being started. While diffrent factors drive each individual group, I think most of the people stand for personal freedom. It takes a lot to get something like this going. You must give up a lot from this material world, and work your ass off to get started.

For those who will actually commit, god bless you. I think that most of the people will wait for the ball to get rolling first though. That is how it works. If you are really serious, may I suggest trying it out in an already established community first, to make sure you enjoy it, and learn a thing or two.


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    #3517737 - 12/18/04 05:01 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

You seem to still think the plan is to do this in a place where drugs are illegal. The idea is "Drugs are illegal here? Okay, we'll move."

I have to admit, drugs would be one of the major reasons for me to do this, but not the drugs themselves as much as the cool people to do them with. I live in BC, I can get all the pot and mushrooms I want easily and probably never have to worry about getting in any trouble over it.

But take a look at the "Gatherings" forums, specifically the AZ gathering. Everybody there had a blast and were so disappointed when it had to come to an end. This would be like living a Shroomery gathering. I bet you'd get along better with your local Shroomerites than the neighbours wherever you live now....


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    #3517742 - 12/18/04 05:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

The television will not be revolutionized


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    #3517753 - 12/18/04 05:04 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

We could all just get apartments in the same building here in BC. The police don't really care what you do as long as you're not selling drugs or harming people.  :thumbup:


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    #3517757 - 12/18/04 05:05 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Also, vacation is vacation. Good things must come to an end, or else there will be no beginning. I agree it would be a blast, and we could maintain a healthy lifestyle while still having fun.

Running away from the problem isnt the answer though. Eventually the problem will go to war with your commune, and steal leadership. Then two of these problems will get mad at eachother and blow eachother up, and the whole world will die.

Lets solve the problem.


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    #3517765 - 12/18/04 05:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Or if you're not into apartments we have lots of farmland too, lakeside cabins, mountain retreats.


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    #3517770 - 12/18/04 05:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Move to BC and support the Marijuana Party fuckers...


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    #3517780 - 12/18/04 05:10 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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You seem to still think the plan is to do this in a place where drugs are illegal. The idea is "Drugs are illegal here? Okay, we'll move."

I have to admit, drugs would be one of the major reasons for me to do this, but not the drugs themselves as much as the cool people to do them with. I live in BC, I can get all the pot and mushrooms I want easily and probably never have to worry about getting in any trouble over it.

But take a look at the "Gatherings" forums, specifically the AZ gathering. Everybody there had a blast and were so disappointed when it had to come to an end. This would be like living a Shroomery gathering. I bet you'd get along better with your local Shroomerites than the neighbours wherever you live now....




Ok then the idea is to have a never ending Gathering ? Well that will never work. Besides there is already a country with very lack Drug laws. The Netherlands.... Just get 20-100  people and buy a 300 unit apartment building there :thumbup:


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    #3517787 - 12/18/04 05:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Having a wonderfull conversation about what would be a nice fantasy world is one thing, but getting stuff done is another. In order to get things done, there must be more than optomism. There need to be skeptics, and every single thing that happens must be questioned. This is entirely possible, but a big smile and a half assed plan will not cut it.


Hey man, i totally agree with you. My own plans are to move out to Victoria BC to live and work and i myself have no real need of a Walden's pond type of utopia but hey, that's just me :wink: If you guyz can really pull this all together then all the more power to you, seriously :smile:


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    #3517892 - 12/18/04 06:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Wysefool - that is a great tshirt idea.

First and foremost, for starters I need to get a job and save up a little money so we can print the shirts.


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    #3517996 - 12/18/04 06:43 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Fucknuckle - that is not a bad idea.


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    #3518494 - 12/18/04 09:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

The best idea I think was presented was starting an online business, or multiple businesses, run by the shroomerites in the commune. The funds from the business would go to support the commune

Also, if we lived in BC or the Netherlands or somewhere, perhaps you could grow psychoactives as a side project and sell them for some extra cash, and free substances

Not even necessarily all illegal ones (in BC, that is), but perhaps legal drugs that are in high demand. If you are in the Netherlands it doesn't matter

If we got enough money from an online business to exist, we wouldn't need to farm fields all day, but could rather work to change the community and help the online drug movement

I think there are enough committed people here to pull this off, but a good beginning would be to realize a business that would get a good profit and that the members here would be committed to helping in a commune

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    #3518611 - 12/18/04 10:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I just want to put a reality check in here............ Lots a drugs and lots of open free space to do them may make for not much work getting done...............Watchout


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    #3519709 - 12/19/04 06:37 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

We should branch out...get together with people with whom we could live in a mutually beneficial situation. For example, paying jobs are waiting for us in Oxford: http://www.celiagreen.com/careers.htm I tried e-mailing her but got no replay...I wonder if the offer still stands?

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    #3519743 - 12/19/04 07:16 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

"Hello. If you're receiving this e-mail then you've expressed interest in setting up a community of spiritually-minded people, free from the rigid framework of society. I would like to explore this option further, as a realistic prospect in which I am willing to seriously invest myself.

First I'm compiling a mailing list of like-minded people, to establish a dialogue not centralized to any specific internet discussion forum. May I add your e-mail to the list? Do you know any people IRL who would like to take part in this? Can you point me to an internet community where support for this type of think is high?"

I'll be sending this e-mail to some people I know. Please leave your e-mails here and I'll put all you guys on the list. Note that I'm just collecting e-mails for the sake of uniting like-minded people...I have no intention to necessarily assume a position of authority in this movement...I'm just doing my part to help out. :smile:

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    #3519787 - 12/19/04 08:05 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

im in. I just dont have time to work out the details, but im in as a person. so remember me when the community is almost finished and ill move there :laugh:

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    #3519791 - 12/19/04 08:07 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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im in. I just dont have time to work out the details, but im in as a person. so remember me when the community is almost finished and ill move there :laugh:


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    #3519844 - 12/19/04 09:07 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

If we do intend to start a project like this will we surely need government to over run everything and make sure things run smoothly. We can always discuss what type of government we can exist with. I do enjoy socialism though and would enjoy governing myself.

If we are all the right type of people everything would run smoothly.
We can always discuss on a webpage what type of people who are there with us that we don't like and try to always, I mean always, work out our problems.

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    #3520353 - 12/19/04 12:24 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Even if this never works out by communicating online. I will continue to push myself to build a place where the shroomerites, let's make that the spiritually inclined shroomerites, can go for a place to live a part of thier lives. Sort of like a Sensie Seed Paradise resort.

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    #3521665 - 12/19/04 06:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Spiritually free till the day I die. If there is ever any opposition that wishes to take my freedom, I will fight and fight I shall. We definetly need to get the ball rolling.

Only wish their was a gathering where we went to discuss how our freedoms are being taken and that we need to fight to keep them that way.

As for building the commune please post more.

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    #3523931 - 12/20/04 10:59 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

A commune is a great idea, but, I give it a 90% chance of failure! The reason for this is that most can not give up there freedoms for the benefit of the group. To devote everything they have and everything they do to making it work.

A commune benefits when all work towards a common goal.
So lets go over the cost of starting a commune, just as a place to start.

First you will need land. Assuming 25 people wish to start the commune you will need 125 acers. (minimum 5 acer plots per person to safely manage septic systems and water well needs.) You are looking at about 100,000$ (US) in property.

Assuming houses are made "green" (adobe and thatch roofs) you are looking at a cost of 40,000$ (US) per house (1000 sq foot houses @ 40$ (US) per sqrt foot cost. Average for abode builds). Assuming 1/2 of the people in the Commune are couples you will need 18 homes. (720,000$ (US))

We are already close to 1,000,000$

What about giving up for the betterment of the commune?

Ok everyone lives in one group house. We could cut the averall cost of the houses and buildings in half. (360,000$) So we have cut the overall cost close to 500,000$ (US)

So we have the land and the houses. What about recurring costs? (Taxes, living expenses, etc.)

If we add land we can farm the land, or raise cattle for some food. In all honesty food expenses are not that big. I could feed 25 people on about 15,000$ (US) a year buying in bulk. (I currently buy 6 months of food at a time and it costs me 1500$ a year to feed 4. It takes discipline and good long term storage practices)

Where I live the taxes on property are based on a "Per 100$ valuation" Best case scenario you are looking at close to 10,000$ a year in taxes.

What about electricity? This is a sticky point! If we go green and use renewable energy sources we are looking at close to or above 1.00$ per KWH in cost (The cost of the equipment averaged over the life of the equipment) If we are on the grid we are looking at .06 per KWH (Local Cost). Now we are outflowing about 12,000$ a year in electric cost. (A guess assuming we have a limited number of electric equipment) We would need to include the cost of the propain for cooking and heating. (Again a guess of about 5,000$ a year) We could use solar water heaters. They are cheaper than the cost of the electric or gas.

So we are at 42,000$ a year in base expenses. Assuming that 12 of the 25 work at minimum wage jobs we would have an income of about 90,000$ a year. Leaving us with 48,000$ to cover the remaining costs. 4,000$ per month to cover Vehicles, gas, clothing, disposables (Pens, paper, books, etc) The remaining 13 would be needed to manage and maintain the land, home, farm, etc.

All in all it can be done! Each would have to give up there pay check for the betterment of the group. You would have little to no privacy, some one or a comity of members would need to make decisions as to what would be in the groups best interest. The decisions would have to be followed. Punishment would have to be enforced! Refusing to do what has been determaned to be in the best interest of the comunity would have to lead to expelsion from the group because we could not survive unless everyone works for the betterment of the group.

It would be great if we could all live in harmony with nature. Doing what is right and living the good life. Relaxing all day and enjoying what the world has to offer. The truth is that no matter what we do we have to have some money. Even the Amish who live a simple life have to work, Make and sell things to cover there costs.

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    #3525378 - 12/20/04 07:21 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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    #3724300 - 02/03/05 11:02 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

We will need an architect to design the living quarters and any other buildings we shall need. We will need a medic to heal those that are in need of repairs.

After this place does get setup we will need a librarian someone to take care of all the books, we will need a computer technician to fix the broken computers. We will need cooks and people to keep the place clean, i'll be the janitor :smile: 

We will need a list of activities for us to do. We may want to run a schedule of things, like philosophy sessions, gardening lessons and other things.

Electrician, plumber, etc.

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    #3724320 - 02/03/05 11:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Now will we restrict hardcore drugs like amphetamines and meth? Or will we allow people to destroy themselves on the island?


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3724390 - 02/03/05 11:31 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

After the responses I have seen from you on here:

I would send you to your own village filled with mental health practioners.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Ego Death]
    #3724411 - 02/03/05 11:38 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Haha, fuck that. I saw my doctor today though.
DanoEoboy make sure they are female mental health practioners.

This thread isn't about me by the way read it again. It doesn't say Droz is a fucking lunitic now does it? Stay on topic.

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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3724844 - 02/03/05 01:58 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

just call up a merck and be thier isolated rx test farm
theyll sponsor you

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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: fresh313]
    #3725627 - 02/03/05 04:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Here is an island for sale for 20k US dollars... and a few more in the 45-90k pricerange.
I had an idea about this a long time ago, and as long as you are on property in the sphere of influence of any country, you are bound by their laws. But if you got a huge sea vessle, and tromped around in the international waters, no one can touch you legally. We can call it the "S.S. Further".

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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3725645 - 02/03/05 04:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Even if we can't gather the money for a shroomery village, why just not get a large piece of land, where everybody chips in, get some medium sized houses built on them, and then sell or rent them out to Shroomerites? They can get a job in the area, but still be in a bit of a Shroomery village, where you come home to smoke a joint because all you're surrounded by is fellow Shroomerites and woodlands.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Ravus]
    #3725794 - 02/03/05 05:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

all you're surrounded by is fellow Shroomerites and woodlands.

And well-armed ATF agents...


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Swami]
    #3728638 - 02/04/05 01:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

**EDIT** reply was meant for Droz, not Swami. My mistake **EDIT**

Um, what's wrong with what you've got right now? Hmm? You have a home (I assume), a job (or maybe you don't), and The Shroomery (an online community but a COMMUNITY nonetheless).

Why does everyone have to be in the same geographical location? It doesn't make any sense. Is the interaction you have with fellow shroomerites online any less real because it's a digital interaction? Think about it? How is this interaction any different than if the person were standing in front of your face and having the very same conversation? Would it make the conversation more real if you could see the person and hear the words as they are spoken as opposed to reading the thoughts of a fellow human being as they are displayed in words on your screen?

A community of like-minded individuals all sharing their experiences with one another is what you are after right? Duh, you've already got that right now.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: 13eetleJuice]
    #3728711 - 02/04/05 01:31 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I had a similar idea, and I was tempted to start a thread about it...

What if a bunch of us here at shroomery decided to go for an intense trip at the exact same time and try to meet each other in a mutual consciousness. How does that sound?

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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: soulmotion]
    #3729630 - 02/04/05 09:46 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

13eetleJuice - As a matter of fact I'm jobless at the moment for that reason I don't have a car either, I got into a car accident.

But think about it aren't cyber cafes more interesting when you know the person is at a close distance to you? Perhaps I'm looking for a female with similar interests, plus 13eetleJuice I don't see how you can't say that how excited and fun it would be to live in a home or several homes nearby with friends. I have friends but none are surely like the shroomerites that visit here.

Just Imagine if we had several communities all over each continent and we could travel to each of them to meet new members.

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    #3729852 - 02/04/05 11:05 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: iliketoplay]
    #3730792 - 02/04/05 02:16 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Messages? Astral plane? WTF are you talking about? Ok, nvm. I don't think I want to know.

Droz, I dunno, maybe I'm not hung up on the closeness thing. To me it doesn't matter if you are in china, the conversation and interaction we are having is just as real and just as interesting for me as it would be if you were standing right across from me. You mentioned "perhaps I'm looking for a female with similar interests". Well, you don't need to gather a whole stone-aged hippie commune to find a girl that shares your interests. But y'know if that's your thing then I say go for it and good luck. I'd certainly love to come visit for a weekend and see how it all turns out if you ever get it off the ground. Just seems like pipe dreams to me right now though. Anyways, sorry I don't mean to be raining on your parade. GL to you in all that you do.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: 13eetleJuice]
    #3731046 - 02/04/05 03:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i am all for it droz, kind of ike a self sufficient hippy commune of the early 60's? im there, sounds great, with all good hope, maybe the shroomery will one day be an island instead of a website.


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