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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Ravus]
    #3518611 - 12/18/04 10:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I just want to put a reality check in here............ Lots a drugs and lots of open free space to do them may make for not much work getting done...............Watchout


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Offlinethe_phoenix
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3519709 - 12/19/04 06:37 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

We should branch out...get together with people with whom we could live in a mutually beneficial situation. For example, paying jobs are waiting for us in Oxford: http://www.celiagreen.com/careers.htm I tried e-mailing her but got no replay...I wonder if the offer still stands?

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Offlinethe_phoenix
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: the_phoenix]
    #3519743 - 12/19/04 07:16 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

"Hello. If you're receiving this e-mail then you've expressed interest in setting up a community of spiritually-minded people, free from the rigid framework of society. I would like to explore this option further, as a realistic prospect in which I am willing to seriously invest myself.

First I'm compiling a mailing list of like-minded people, to establish a dialogue not centralized to any specific internet discussion forum. May I add your e-mail to the list? Do you know any people IRL who would like to take part in this? Can you point me to an internet community where support for this type of think is high?"

I'll be sending this e-mail to some people I know. Please leave your e-mails here and I'll put all you guys on the list. Note that I'm just collecting e-mails for the sake of uniting like-minded people...I have no intention to necessarily assume a position of authority in this movement...I'm just doing my part to help out. :smile:

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Offlinewhole9
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: the_phoenix]
    #3519787 - 12/19/04 08:05 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

im in. I just dont have time to work out the details, but im in as a person. so remember me when the community is almost finished and ill move there :laugh:

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Offlinethe_phoenix
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: whole9]
    #3519791 - 12/19/04 08:07 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

whole9 said:
im in. I just dont have time to work out the details, but im in as a person. so remember me when the community is almost finished and ill move there :laugh:


Cool. :thumbup: Just need your e-mail address.

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OfflineDroz
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: the_phoenix]
    #3519844 - 12/19/04 09:07 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

If we do intend to start a project like this will we surely need government to over run everything and make sure things run smoothly. We can always discuss what type of government we can exist with. I do enjoy socialism though and would enjoy governing myself.

If we are all the right type of people everything would run smoothly.
We can always discuss on a webpage what type of people who are there with us that we don't like and try to always, I mean always, work out our problems.

Peace,
Droz


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OfflineDroz
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3520353 - 12/19/04 12:24 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Even if this never works out by communicating online. I will continue to push myself to build a place where the shroomerites, let's make that the spiritually inclined shroomerites, can go for a place to live a part of thier lives. Sort of like a Sensie Seed Paradise resort.

Peace and good living,
Droz


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OfflineDroz
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3521665 - 12/19/04 06:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Spiritually free till the day I die. If there is ever any opposition that wishes to take my freedom, I will fight and fight I shall. We definetly need to get the ball rolling.

Only wish their was a gathering where we went to discuss how our freedoms are being taken and that we need to fight to keep them that way.

As for building the commune please post more.

Peace,
Droz


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3523931 - 12/20/04 10:59 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

A commune is a great idea, but, I give it a 90% chance of failure! The reason for this is that most can not give up there freedoms for the benefit of the group. To devote everything they have and everything they do to making it work.

A commune benefits when all work towards a common goal.
So lets go over the cost of starting a commune, just as a place to start.

First you will need land. Assuming 25 people wish to start the commune you will need 125 acers. (minimum 5 acer plots per person to safely manage septic systems and water well needs.) You are looking at about 100,000$ (US) in property.

Assuming houses are made "green" (adobe and thatch roofs) you are looking at a cost of 40,000$ (US) per house (1000 sq foot houses @ 40$ (US) per sqrt foot cost. Average for abode builds). Assuming 1/2 of the people in the Commune are couples you will need 18 homes. (720,000$ (US))

We are already close to 1,000,000$

What about giving up for the betterment of the commune?

Ok everyone lives in one group house. We could cut the averall cost of the houses and buildings in half. (360,000$) So we have cut the overall cost close to 500,000$ (US)

So we have the land and the houses. What about recurring costs? (Taxes, living expenses, etc.)

If we add land we can farm the land, or raise cattle for some food. In all honesty food expenses are not that big. I could feed 25 people on about 15,000$ (US) a year buying in bulk. (I currently buy 6 months of food at a time and it costs me 1500$ a year to feed 4. It takes discipline and good long term storage practices)

Where I live the taxes on property are based on a "Per 100$ valuation" Best case scenario you are looking at close to 10,000$ a year in taxes.

What about electricity? This is a sticky point! If we go green and use renewable energy sources we are looking at close to or above 1.00$ per KWH in cost (The cost of the equipment averaged over the life of the equipment) If we are on the grid we are looking at .06 per KWH (Local Cost). Now we are outflowing about 12,000$ a year in electric cost. (A guess assuming we have a limited number of electric equipment) We would need to include the cost of the propain for cooking and heating. (Again a guess of about 5,000$ a year) We could use solar water heaters. They are cheaper than the cost of the electric or gas.

So we are at 42,000$ a year in base expenses. Assuming that 12 of the 25 work at minimum wage jobs we would have an income of about 90,000$ a year. Leaving us with 48,000$ to cover the remaining costs. 4,000$ per month to cover Vehicles, gas, clothing, disposables (Pens, paper, books, etc) The remaining 13 would be needed to manage and maintain the land, home, farm, etc.

All in all it can be done! Each would have to give up there pay check for the betterment of the group. You would have little to no privacy, some one or a comity of members would need to make decisions as to what would be in the groups best interest. The decisions would have to be followed. Punishment would have to be enforced! Refusing to do what has been determaned to be in the best interest of the comunity would have to lead to expelsion from the group because we could not survive unless everyone works for the betterment of the group.

It would be great if we could all live in harmony with nature. Doing what is right and living the good life. Relaxing all day and enjoying what the world has to offer. The truth is that no matter what we do we have to have some money. Even the Amish who live a simple life have to work, Make and sell things to cover there costs.

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Invisibletak
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Cyber]
    #3525378 - 12/20/04 07:21 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

the truth shall set you free


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OfflineDroz
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: tak]
    #3724300 - 02/03/05 11:02 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

We will need an architect to design the living quarters and any other buildings we shall need. We will need a medic to heal those that are in need of repairs.

After this place does get setup we will need a librarian someone to take care of all the books, we will need a computer technician to fix the broken computers. We will need cooks and people to keep the place clean, i'll be the janitor :smile: 

We will need a list of activities for us to do. We may want to run a schedule of things, like philosophy sessions, gardening lessons and other things.

Electrician, plumber, etc.

Edited by Droz (02/03/05 11:13 AM)

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OfflineDroz
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3724320 - 02/03/05 11:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Now will we restrict hardcore drugs like amphetamines and meth? Or will we allow people to destroy themselves on the island?


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InvisibleEgo Death
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3724390 - 02/03/05 11:31 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

After the responses I have seen from you on here:

I would send you to your own village filled with mental health practioners.


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OfflineDroz
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Ego Death]
    #3724411 - 02/03/05 11:38 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Haha, fuck that. I saw my doctor today though.
DanoEoboy make sure they are female mental health practioners.

This thread isn't about me by the way read it again. It doesn't say Droz is a fucking lunitic now does it? Stay on topic.

Please,
Droz

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Offlinefresh313
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3724844 - 02/03/05 01:58 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

just call up a merck and be thier isolated rx test farm
theyll sponsor you

Edited by fresh313 (02/03/05 07:26 PM)

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OfflineSneezingPenis
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: fresh313]
    #3725627 - 02/03/05 04:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Here is an island for sale for 20k US dollars... and a few more in the 45-90k pricerange.
I had an idea about this a long time ago, and as long as you are on property in the sphere of influence of any country, you are bound by their laws. But if you got a huge sea vessle, and tromped around in the international waters, no one can touch you legally. We can call it the "S.S. Further".

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InvisibleRavus
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Droz]
    #3725645 - 02/03/05 04:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Even if we can't gather the money for a shroomery village, why just not get a large piece of land, where everybody chips in, get some medium sized houses built on them, and then sell or rent them out to Shroomerites? They can get a job in the area, but still be in a bit of a Shroomery village, where you come home to smoke a joint because all you're surrounded by is fellow Shroomerites and woodlands.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Ravus]
    #3725794 - 02/03/05 05:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

all you're surrounded by is fellow Shroomerites and woodlands.

And well-armed ATF agents...


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: Swami]
    #3728638 - 02/04/05 01:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

**EDIT** reply was meant for Droz, not Swami. My mistake **EDIT**

Um, what's wrong with what you've got right now? Hmm? You have a home (I assume), a job (or maybe you don't), and The Shroomery (an online community but a COMMUNITY nonetheless).

Why does everyone have to be in the same geographical location? It doesn't make any sense. Is the interaction you have with fellow shroomerites online any less real because it's a digital interaction? Think about it? How is this interaction any different than if the person were standing in front of your face and having the very same conversation? Would it make the conversation more real if you could see the person and hear the words as they are spoken as opposed to reading the thoughts of a fellow human being as they are displayed in words on your screen?

A community of like-minded individuals all sharing their experiences with one another is what you are after right? Duh, you've already got that right now.


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Re: The shroomery village. Please respond if you are interested. [Re: 13eetleJuice]
    #3728711 - 02/04/05 01:31 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I had a similar idea, and I was tempted to start a thread about it...

What if a bunch of us here at shroomery decided to go for an intense trip at the exact same time and try to meet each other in a mutual consciousness. How does that sound?

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