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OfflinePotSmokinHippie
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: trendal]
    #354316 - 07/14/01 01:11 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~ivl/writing/non_fiction/lsd/
Indeed that postulated mechanisms of LSD was a good read. Interesting.

The thing people don't realize is that lions are very kind and gentle creatures, until they try to rip your head off.


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OfflinePyrotechnist
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: Kid]
    #359557 - 07/24/01 02:48 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

>Another analogy is people with Tourette's syndrome.

You mean like me?

>People with Tourette's syndrome typically say (when treated, in comparison with normality) that having Tourette's makes them feel a lot faster. They say that their mind's are moving astonishingly fast.

It _is_. A lot of people with Tourette's, again like me, are quite intellectually gifted.

>Many Touretters are attracted to spinning things (eg// some like revolving doors, because they like whipping in and out of them, because it makes them feel fast).

What are you talking about? I've never heard of that before, and you think you would, having a bad case of Tourette's until puberty and a mother that was head of the Tourette's Syndrome Foundation of Hamilton..

And honestly, who _doesn't_ think spinning doors are fun?

>It's also been described as being at the whim of a kaleidescope of amplified perceptions (sound familiar?) and impulses.

Amplified AND increased... talking from personal experience.

>But, look at a person with Tourette's syndrome? Would you believe for a second that this person is smarter, more adept, more able to live a happy life than someone with normal brain chemistry? I think not.

Smarter? On average, yes. Happier? No, mainly because of the misunderstanding and the intolerance of the general public, and the constant teasing, ostracism, etc.

>Get over it, psychedelic drugs don't enhance performance.

I'm sure MJShroomer's many mescalined mistresses may disagree ;).

"Sure, just cut them up like regular chickens."


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Offlinesir_shroom_alot
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: Pyrotechnist]
    #359566 - 07/24/01 03:12 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

IT's easy, it burns a hole in ur brain and blood drips on ur spine, thats why u see shit!!! DUhhhh

first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

~Ur PAYING ME IN HAIR CLIPPINGS! WHAT ARE U cRAZY?


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first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

~Ur PAYING ME IN HAIR CLIPPINGS! WHAT ARE U cRAZY?


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OfflineBooger
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: Hydro]
    #359584 - 07/24/01 03:35 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I'd recommend against driving a car on acid, but I guess that's just my humble opinion. Try playing pinball on it and you'll see what The Who meant when they made Tommy!



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InvisibleKid
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: Pyrotechnist]
    #359666 - 07/24/01 05:25 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

> What are you talking about? I've never heard of that before, and you think you would, having a bad case of Tourette's until puberty and a mother that was head of the Tourette's Syndrome Foundation of Hamilton..

The Tourette's Syndrome Foundation of New York reported cases of the "spinnies" phenomenon by its members. I'm surprised that you haven't come across it.

though you seem to confirm most of what I say...




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OfflineNorShroom
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: Shroominator]
    #359679 - 07/24/01 05:56 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I don`t think you can give a clear picture in a couple of sentences of what is really going on.

To gain a little knowledge on the whole serotonin/brain thing I sugest you check out this link: http://www.dancesafe.org/slideshow/
Although it`s about what happens in your brain on ecstasy it gives a pretty good picture of what serotonin does in your brain.

Aristoteles- "Know thyself."
"Moderation in all things."


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Offlinemadscientist
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: Hydro]
    #359883 - 07/24/01 02:42 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

One of the previous posts was in fact correct. LSD (and similar things) suppress the levels or ability of serotonin to act. Serotonin is a negative regulator of neurotransmission, ie it stops neurons from firing. This is important because neurones do accidentaly fire every now and again and serotonin prevents the accidental stimuli from being perpetuated by other neurones. Thus serotonin acts to estabilsh a threshold of stimulation for a neuron. Because the hallucinogen lowers this threshold, you get visual and audio distortions (hallucinations) as well as a feeling of general confusion (the grass is hairy and the moon is far away and ... and.. thats the meaning of life!!!). The feeling of euphoria arises because the 'feelgood' neurones fire away happily without any real stimulation being required. There is quite an interesting article in NewScientist about LSD by the way.

Instead of the dove as the symbol of peace we should have a pillow. Its got more feathers but doesnt have that nasty sharp beak......


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InvisibleHydro
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: madscientist]
    #360081 - 07/24/01 11:00 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

In any case, while I'm trippin' my concentration is enhanced. The people I normally trip with would agree to have the same effects as well. With concentration, follows speed and accuracy. This is not simply our imagination. I'm sure we can't be the only people in the world that take LSD and don't become completely moronic and confused for 8 hours! ;-)

Hydro has spoken!
Please! Tell me about the fucking golf shoes!

Edited by Hydro on 07/24/01 03:01 PM.



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OfflineNorShroom
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: Hydro]
    #360095 - 07/24/01 11:28 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I get enhancment of senses and brain activity up to a certain point when it sorta goes overboard and things start to get confusing. And when im coming down I also reach this "enhancment point" and I feel really good.

>Aristoteles- "Know thyself."
"Moderation in all things."<


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OfflineJohny_Boy
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: PotSmokinHippie]
    #361877 - 07/27/01 04:04 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

here is a bit from a new scientist artical about why you see things. But you really should read the whole of it as it is quite long and you won't get whats going on unless you read all of it, but basically what you are seeing when triping is the patterns created by neurons fireing in your brain. You are looking att the layout of the inside of your brain. As the trip progresses you get to see deeper inside. But don't take my word read the artical.


..................each neuron tends to excite its neighbours and inhibit those a little farther away. Then when the eye sees a large, featureless object, like a big red blob of paint, every neuron in the middle of the image will be excited by nearby neurons and inhibited by those farther away. So it receives no net input from other neurons. It's the brain's way of saying, "There's nothing interesting happening here."
LSD upsets this balance. One of the effects of the drug is to allow neurons to fire when there is nothing in the visual field. Ordinarily, a neuron won't start firing unless the input from the retina and from neighbours exceeds a critical threshold. This ensures that if a neuron fires by mistake, it won't convince its neighbours to fire and the activity dies out. But drugs can lower the threshold-LSD does it by making the brainstem secrete less of the inhibitory chemical serotonin. If the threshold is lowered far enough, then excitation starts to beat inhibition, and spontaneous waves of activity form in the brain. It's like turning up the heat under the pan of water. The first patterns that form will be the same ones that are seen in the water: parallel stripes, checkerboards and hexagons.

So why don't LSD users see parallel stripes across their visual field? Because these patterns are in the cortex, not the retina, Cowan reasoned. A lot of cortical real estate is devoted to objects close to the centre of the field of vision, where our sight is sharp, while relatively little is used for peripheral vision. Mapped onto the cortex, an ordinary scene is grossly distorted: objects near the centre loom large, taking up most of the brain area. When you run this distortion backwards, evenly spaced parallel lines in the cortex appear sucked together into the centre of the visual field, creating the visual impression of either a spiral or a tunnel. The regular checkerboard and hexagon patterns turn into spiralling squares or hexagons.

So more than half a century after Kl?ver set out his form-constants, two of them were finally explained. LSD users see spirals and tunnels because those are the real-world objects that fit the patterns of neural firing in their cortex. Timothy Leary, the guru of "tune in, turn on, drop out" fame, speculated in The Psychedelic Experience, "These visions might be described as pure sensations of cellular and sub-cellular processes." So just as Leary guessed, the spaced-out brain is tuning into its own architecture.....................................



To read the rest goto http://archive.newscientist.com/archive.jsp?id=22964400 or do a search on their site for "Secrets of an Acid head"


Edited by Johny_Boy on 07/27/01 10:56 AM.



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OfflineJohny_Boy
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Re: What REALLY happens? [Re: Johny_Boy]
    #361927 - 07/27/01 06:53 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry madscientist I didn't read the whole post properly and realise you had mentioned the New Scientist artical.



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