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OfflineWysefool
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Jesus said,
    #3516904 - 12/18/04 12:54 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

Gnosticism :thumbup:

Just read the Gospel of Thomas, can anybody recommend any other Gnostic texts? Seriously considering it as my new religion.


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Wysefool]
    #3516917 - 12/18/04 01:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Wysefool]
    #3516918 - 12/18/04 01:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Try PMing Marcos the gnostic, i'm sure he'll have several good recomendations :smile:


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Wysefool]
    #3516944 - 12/18/04 01:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The Truth is disturbing to those without gnosis.


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Wysefool]
    #3516984 - 12/18/04 01:31 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Wysefool said:
"This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

Gnosticism :thumbup:

Just read the Gospel of Thomas, can anybody recommend any other Gnostic texts? Seriously considering it as my new religion.




You will love reading Jesus and the Lost Goddess: The Secret Teachings of the Original Christians...


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: ergot]
    #3517007 - 12/18/04 01:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Ummm, yeah. Gnosticism is an ancient Christian cult. To sum it all up, the God of the Old Testament was evil, and the God of the New Testament was Jesus, and Jesus was sent to kill the God of the Old Testament. So, Jesus came to kill His Father.... Right... Anybody who believe in gnosticism believes in lies. Jesus did not have sex, and did not have a wife. He could have had something going with Mary, but He was to die as a virgin. Just my two cents.


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Sirus_Felwyn]
    #3517010 - 12/18/04 01:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

To say you know jesus didn't get laid is a lie too.


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Sirus_Felwyn]
    #3517041 - 12/18/04 02:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think you got that quite right. The god that created earth was an evil lesser god, the true god is the holy spirit that lives within everything that feeds on the dead. Jesus says to hate his father because as a human he was created by the evil lesser god.


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Sirus_Felwyn]
    #3517065 - 12/18/04 02:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Sirus_Felwyn said:
Ummm, yeah. Gnosticism is an ancient Christian cult. To sum it all up, the God of the Old Testament was evil, and the God of the New Testament was Jesus, and Jesus was sent to kill the God of the Old Testament. So, Jesus came to kill His Father.... Right... Anybody who believe in gnosticism believes in lies. Jesus did not have sex, and did not have a wife. He could have had something going with Mary, but He was to die as a virgin. Just my two cents.




Actually, you have an Andy Kaufman skit confused with Gnosticism. None of that is Gnosticism, but an Andy Kaufman skit from 1981.


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3517093 - 12/18/04 02:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"Actually, you have an Andy Kaufman skit confused with Gnosticism"

hey, who hasn't made that mistake at one time or another?

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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517205 - 12/18/04 03:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus says to hate his father because as a human he was created by the evil lesser god.



Where does Jesus say THAT in the Bible?  :crazy:


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3517209 - 12/18/04 03:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate father and mother cannot be my disciple, and whoever does not hate brothers and sisters, and carry the cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."

Gospel of Thomas verse 55

Here's a link: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517225 - 12/18/04 03:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Wasn't he talking about his prospective disciple's and their biological birth parents, and not HIS Father in Heaven?


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517234 - 12/18/04 03:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

That could have been a misinterpretation on my part. I guess it depends on who Jesus is referring to. It really doesn't make much sense to me. But the evil creator of earth is the only father I could see him telling us to hate.

I guess it could also mean to hate the titles of father, mother, brother, and sister because they create an imbalance of power and blind us from seeing that we're all one.

esus said, "The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one."


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517252 - 12/18/04 03:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I can definitely see where my own interpretation appears to contravene the commandment: Thou shalt honour thy mother and thy father, but i think he just meant that one should Love Jesus and His Father in heaven more than his closest blood relatives, and again this is just my own interpretation :wink:


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Wysefool]
    #3517285 - 12/18/04 04:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"I guess it could also mean to hate the titles of father, mother, brother, and sister because they create an imbalance of power and blind us from seeing that we're all one"

that makes sense to me. its like we take all the people in the world and sort them in order of how much we love them like parents, siblings, lovers, wives, friends, enemies etc

when jesus wants us to forget all labels and love all people equally


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: Wysefool]
    #3519759 - 12/19/04 09:30 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Wysefool said:
That could have been a misinterpretation on my part. I guess it depends on who Jesus is referring to. It really doesn't make much sense to me. But the evil creator of earth is the only father I could see him telling us to hate.

I guess it could also mean to hate the titles of father, mother, brother, and sister because they create an imbalance of power and blind us from seeing that we're all one.

esus said, "The person old in days won't hesitate to ask a little child seven days old about the place of life, and that person will live. For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one."




You obviously have no idea what Jesus was talking about, like most Christians.


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3519824 - 12/19/04 10:48 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Dude this is some creepy shit, what the hell is this?


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Re: Jesus said, [Re: AreoZephin]
    #3519834 - 12/19/04 10:58 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

83. Jesus said, "Images are visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the Father's light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his light."

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Re: Jesus said, [Re: AreoZephin]
    #3519862 - 12/19/04 11:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, firstly, to make the mythology used by the Gnostics as literal is a serious mistake (the same sort that the modern Empire has made in claiming blind faith/belief is the path to salvation). The Christian gnostics used mythology (through the Jesus myth) to create a path of 'initiation' (which makes sense to those familiar with the psychedelic Eleusis, or the Hermetic order, or whatever other ancient mystery schools)... any ways, the Jesus allegory charts out a path to take to sacrifice the ego-self (personality/identity), thereby realizing our true nature as the One consciousness of God. We are spirit, not transient form. The "illusions" of constant flux, birth/death, ego, body--these are said to have been created from a lesser god (Demiurge)--however, that is merely a myth to explain the ineffable Knowledge of Reality. The Gnostic gospels seem to be more accurate to understand the Truth, but that does not mean they are more factually accurate. They are merely myths, which are metaphors for the Truth that transcends language. And, not all Gnostics are the Christian sort--it is a 'system' that pre-dates any mention of Jesus.


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