Home | Community | Message Board


FreeSpores.com
Please support our sponsors.

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics >> Advanced Mycology

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: MushCult - Live Mushroom Cultures Black morel (Morchella importuna) live culture on agar   Amazon ½ Pint Jars, Calcium Carbonate, Paul Stamets, pH Test Strips

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1
OfflineTrippinRhino
addict

Registered: 03/24/01
Posts: 342
Loc: TX
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
Re-using straw water
    #351610 - 06/29/01 07:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

When pastuerizing wheat straw there is of course the remaining straw water. Since the leftover water has some golden color to it, there seems to be some leaching of nutrients... In the past, I have pressure cooked the water and stored it in a 1 gallon milk jug for use in jar substrates. I am wondering if it is suitable to re-use the straw water to pastuerize future batches of wheat straw. In doing so, the straw will be pastuerized in the nutrient rich water leftover by previous batches. I'm sure there is some pH consideration since the re-used water will likely be acidic in nature. I plan to use ground Calcium Carbonate to help neutralize the straw water. Are there any other concerns I might want to take note of?




--------------------
All rhinos are endangered species...save the rhinos


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblepsilocybe cubensis
Blood, guts, andbroken teeth.

Registered: 08/10/00
Posts: 1,220
Loc: Lost Angels
Re: Re-using straw water *DELETED* [Re: TrippinRhino]
    #351698 - 06/29/01 11:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Post deleted by psilocybe cubensis


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineTrippinRhino
addict

Registered: 03/24/01
Posts: 342
Loc: TX
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
Re: Re-using straw water [Re: psilocybe cubensis]
    #353921 - 07/12/01 11:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Toxic in what way?



--------------------
All rhinos are endangered species...save the rhinos


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinetom
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 05/28/00
Posts: 821
Loc: Nope
Last seen: 16 years, 3 months
Re: Re-using straw water [Re: TrippinRhino]
    #354055 - 07/13/01 08:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yes you must take into account the "oppenhiem factor"; when you do more and more batches the water becomes darker and darker until suddenly it becomes so dark that it becomes a black hole for just a smidgon of an instant and it sucks in half of the volume of water but while doing this the PH goes down. Why because the H20 molecules and oH- ions can move much quicker than their fat cousin the h3o+ therefore more oh- and h3o+ get "sucked into" the "oppenhiem void" (just a black temporary hole) and leave behind their fatter overweight slow moving relative; therefore, more h30+ = lower pH.

"Ha ha" -- Nelson

"Never trade or buy from DXMHEAD420... he ripped me off and was an ass about it too" -- Myself


--------------------
"It must be your stamps girl... cause it aint your face" -- Juvenile

"Only in America does someone order a cheese burger, large fries, and a diet Coke" -- ?

"DXMHEAD420 ripped me off and was an ass about it too" -- Myself


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineTrippinRhino
addict

Registered: 03/24/01
Posts: 342
Loc: TX
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
Re: Re-using straw water [Re: tom]
    #356010 - 07/17/01 12:26 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Tom:
If you will look at my occupation, you might find me more qualified to explain. All that set aside, I appreciate you bringing it up. I have taken pH into consideration and I always adjust it back to about 6.5 (meter) with additions of CaCO3- and CaOH...or (Calcium Carbonate and Lime). I always must make about a 1:1 dilution or a little more with fresh spring water in order to have enough volume. Therefore, my water never gets that super dark color. I am familiar with the dark color however. Just 2 or 3 batches can certainly make that water look nappy! The CaCO3- brings the pH up to about 6.0 at which point the soluablity levels out in a aqueous solution like the straw water. The additions of the Hydroxide ion from the lime, would in this case complete the neutralization of of any H3O+. The true essense of the Oppenheim Factor is not really known to me. I made an attempt to reference it but had no luck....Could you provide me a source for your reference?

My main point in asking this was to attempt to find out if I am leaching away valuable nutrients when I pastuerize. I unfortunately have much less expirience with biology. Thanks to all of you.....Rhino



--------------------
All rhinos are endangered species...save the rhinos


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleChampion des Champignons
long standing member;)

Registered: 07/27/00
Posts: 2,679
Loc: Alba
Re: Re-using straw water [Re: TrippinRhino]
    #356033 - 07/17/01 01:43 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

"Ha ha" -- Me

Old Donkeys don't die, they go to:
Drool Donkey Island
Support the FSR!


--------------------
---------------------------------------------------
hmmm........


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineDinoMyc
Ipsa scientiapotestas est
Registered: 11/14/99
Posts: 1,080
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: Re-using straw water [Re: TrippinRhino]
    #356352 - 07/17/01 04:21 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

i suggest you read GGMM and TMC, they will answer a good deal of questions you may have.. they may not be pirfect books, but they are a great resource.



--------------------
If I made affront, I apologize.
If I made affirmation, I apologize.
I merely came to listen, came to say.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1

Shop: MushCult - Live Mushroom Cultures Black morel (Morchella importuna) live culture on agar   Amazon ½ Pint Jars, Calcium Carbonate, Paul Stamets, pH Test Strips

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics >> Advanced Mycology

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Basic straw question EgoMagickian 1,485 7 09/19/03 03:56 PM
by mycofile
* Nutrients for Mushrooms MycoCat 4,006 8 11/12/03 06:23 AM
by fungulus
* how to return nutrients to a log/casing I_Stain_Blue 642 3 04/05/05 10:41 AM
by agar
* Spawn Ratios-What matters more: mycelium or more nutrients ? ThE_JafF 3,966 18 07/25/03 06:47 PM
by mycofile
* For peope who have worked with straw...... majik_monkey 1,351 15 07/26/03 04:33 AM
by monkeymagic
* Timmothy Hay instead of Straw? BlueBruiser 1,346 11 12/12/02 07:37 AM
by mycofile
* Posssible to grow liquid culture on straw water? ToolTroll 2,674 9 09/13/04 04:00 PM
by ragadinks
* inoculating straw with a liquid culture... possible? The FUnGal FiEnD 1,759 7 02/26/03 02:52 PM
by hsalf

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: RogerRabbit, bodhisatta
988 topic views. 0 members, 0 guests and 5 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Print Topic ]
Search this thread:
Myco Supply
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2018 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.034 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 19 queries.