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Are they really selling Lingzhi/Reishi ?
    #3513979 - 12/17/04 04:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Ok so the name lingzhi was given to mushrooms growing in China by chinese people and Reishi is the Japanese name for it .
Scientifically it is clasified as Ganoderma Lucidum .But this is the species not the strain .

Mycobag.com are selling Ganoderma Lucidum that looks different to Lingzhi/Reishi in that(according to their own words on their site) their strain has a white spore surface, whilst decent Lingzhi/Reishi has a yellow spore surface .

Heres some asian stuff so you can see what I mean .

The deegre of yellowness is said to relate to the amount of triterpenes in the mushrrom - these are an important part of what makes Reishi good medicine so is it fair that not asian strains can be sold with the name created by asians for the asian types of this species ?


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Re: Are they really selling Lingzhi/Reishi ? [Re: Food]
    #3514819 - 12/17/04 08:31 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I've read that there's several different color types of Reishi, and that asians used to sell each for different things. Then someone showed that it didn't matter - that he could produce any color of Reishi out of the same spores under different growing conditions. I don't know if this is true or not, and will try to find you a link to the page I'd seen this at.


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Re: Are they really selling Lingzhi/Reishi ? [Re: PoC]
    #3514849 - 12/17/04 08:42 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Ah! Found it. Here's the link I was talking about...I think I'd seen the information elsewhere but I couldn't find it.

http://www.fluctuation.co.uk/projects/reishi_cult/


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Re: Are they really selling Lingzhi/Reishi ? [Re: PoC]
    #3516264 - 12/18/04 05:21 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Good point - However - the different colours(sorry I use english spelling) that they are referring to here are not what I was referring to - they are talking about the top of the mushroom's cap, whilst I meant the underside which makes the spores .

My Ganoderma Lucidum culture from mycobag seems to have been fried by my fishtank heater going crazy, but even if it hadnt and it was something other than true Reishi, it still would have rocked to watch those antlers form .

Oh and another point - when it was shown that the different colours could be made from a single strain - these were grown under differing and unique conditions - hence possibly(and in my mind quite certainly) causing a difference in the chemical/energy compositions in the resulting mushrooms .


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Re: Are they really selling Lingzhi/Reishi ? [Re: Food]
    #3516321 - 12/18/04 06:16 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

mycobag's website seems to be down at the moment but
in this answer at mush-world they are
describing their reishi as red/yellow, from Austria ..
http://www.mushworld.com:1508/associatio...d=36805&m=v


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Ganoderma Diseases of Perennial Crops
Ganodermataceae: Nomenclature and Classification, G-S Seo and P M Kirk
http://www.cabi-publishing.org/pdf/Books/0851993885/3885ch1.pdf

edit:
mycobag's website is working again..
it looks very much like a reishi to me..


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Re: Are they really selling Lingzhi/Reishi ? [Re: Speeker]
    #3519694 - 12/19/04 08:13 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

It does look similar in may ways but so does Ganoderma Tsugae http://www.bluewillowpages.com/mushroomexpert/ganoderma_tsugae.html however Tsugae is another species .

If you go here: http://www.mushworld.com:1508/tech/view.asp?cata_id=1170&vid=1605 (an article on how to grow lingzhi)
It say's "You should keep it in mind that the ling zhi has best of its medicinal effects when it retains pure yellow color on its underside of the cap. " - He is asian so forgive his poor English .
And on mycobag.com about their G.Lucidum they say:"In the final stages of growth the developing antler will begin to flatten out at it's terminus and form a small shelf-like growth with white porous surface towards the bottom."

Ok so -sure- I could be wrong, but I am assuming that mycobags G.Lucidum is different to reishi genetically and that it would'nt have the same medical properties .
I mean theirs is from Austria not China Japan or Korea(native reishi lands)
I am simply concerned that prehaps people will spend much time waiting for their shrooms to grow only to find that the medical properties are lacking and thusly lose faith in the whole idea .

I despise any form of deception, and whilst I am not charging any vendors with deception, I do think they could do some research and ascertain whether or not they really are supplying people with true reishi - and if not, stop selling it as such.


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Re: Are they really selling Lingzhi/Reishi ? [Re: Food]
    #3519831 - 12/19/04 10:54 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

it seems that you understand the term reishi quite strictly,
meaning maybe just a certain type of G.lucidum ..  :grin:

that yellow pore surface strain is however beautiful (and likely
"stronger"). From where did you find that pic?

Some picture perfect reishis grown by Una


reishis at Stamet's farm


both having whitish pore surface...


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Re: Are they really selling Lingzhi/Reishi ? [Re: Speeker]
    #3523358 - 12/20/04 05:43 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Oh that first one is beautiful, - I mean the second ones nice, but that first one is really nice .
I like the guys at mushmush, they're cool .

And yes I do understand Reishi to be a particular type of G.Lucidum .

Oh yeah and that picture I think is from somewhere on mushworld.com


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Re: Are they really selling Lingzhi/Reishi ? [Re: Food]
    #5201647 - 01/20/06 06:47 AM (10 years, 10 months ago)

im no mcologist but i would think that for any experiment to be true such as colour from one genetic line it would need to be from the same individual. meaning clones not spores to be used. he used inoculation syringe, which im not too exactly what that means. is that a single isolated strain or is it a few? i would also become sceptical because perhaps colour is a recessive trait and therefor maybe it hides in one strain and only comes out once bred (spores)..?

Not sure about medicinal properties but from what ive read more of the good stuff can be obtianed from spores, and if the underside (spores) is a differnt colour and tehy apperently have different effects perhaps the colour itself or perhaps a reaction occurs causing the colour would make the difference? any thoughts?

here in taiwan yellow and white are the most common to see in shops.


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Re: Are they really selling Lingzhi/Reishi ? [Re: kadakuda]
    #5226427 - 01/26/06 05:07 PM (10 years, 10 months ago)

<<It say's "You should keep it in mind that the ling zhi has best of its medicinal effects when it retains pure yellow color on its underside of the cap. " - He is asian so forgive his poor English .>>

That is interesting because our natives here in Arkansas have the white surface and vary in form (antlers sometimes form when over shaded by grass...higher co2...)

...and we use them just the same and it doesn't take anymore to reach therapeutic levels in my patients. I'm not saying your guy is all wrong, I'm just saying that white pore surface works just as well in medical applications as the reishi we occaisionally buy in.


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