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 Fucknuckle
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 Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? 
#3513297 - 12/17/04 01:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you think a person only goes one direction on the path of Wisdom and Humility or can a person back up ?
Are the things that happen in a persons life, can these cause a loss of control or over wisdom and humility or a blindness to them ? Or once gained is the idea that a person of maturity who shows a slip really never had any maturity ?
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3513380 - 12/17/04 01:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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No.
I use to believe in just the Bible, but now I believe in several other things because if the Bible can be tampered with and humanity suffer for it then pieces could have been taken out or changed. And it states no where in the Bible that God would keep that from happening, but that the man who did it or the people would definitely suffer for it.
So because of that I know for a fact that everything in that Bible is not all there. I only read the things that are IMPORTANT to me, that I teach myself from it rather than listening to a preacher or go to church and all that crap. My dad was a preacher, except none of "them" as my dad -thinks outside the box.-
Like some people say that "And God said, 'let us create man in our image" say that that's Jesus God and the Holy Spirit but I tend to disagree because what is "Our" wtf is this Our. Well then I must search for this "our" this meaning what could it be? Hmm, so all these things these subliminal things in this book of whatever it is that I use to believe was all there for me. No.
Now I believe in many things. There's a perfect pentagram that orbits around the Earth consisting of these certain stars I think it was uh.. Venus, the star of David and something else that is always a perfect pentagram. So then I must ask myself, "Then God, where is the truth in this?" Or is everything that anyone has taken from the Bible misunderstood 50% of it because they can't think outside the versus and think of 90 different meanings for each of them.
I think wisdom was once a huge brick that was smashed up against the wall by the evil of mankind. Now it is time to put it back together, it must start somewhere. So this, I believe now, in many things. I believe in Buddha, or Zen or whatever it is because it's like 1% of this, this essential thing. Ancient Egyptian religion because there was once a race before our race, and I believe that it's connected with Osiris and Iris, and also the Sumerians. Pagan religions too. And that Wicca was once the essence of the gift of Magic from God when it was lost and time passed then Jesus was sent here to clear things up..
Maybe I'm twisting it all, but so what. I still have my faith, and people can call me a weirdo that's fine with me.
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: AreoZephin]
#3513427 - 12/17/04 01:58 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes I see exactly what you are saying and in facto that is where I am at. The bible is not the final word of God. In fact it is God's wisdom mixed with the wisdom of man,history of man and man's sin. It is a history of the evolution of Mans grasp on God and God grasp on Man. What we understood 2,000 years ago is not the same as we understand today
Wisdom and Humility can be at many different levels at any one time but the over all forward movement is what makes the difference. 4 steps forward 2 steps back, 5 steps forward 6 steps back but you are still 1 step ahead.
I used to think that these things were only a soild movement forward but I am quickly begining to see is that idea itself is where the biggest steps back are born. Fustration in one's mistakes is a bigger mistake. To let the observer tell you that you have no real growth and question that is to stop in your growth. Because no man knows what is truly in another mans heart.
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 Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3513606 - 12/17/04 02:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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More hierarchical thinking.
Is it necessary to think about wisdom, humility, spirituality, etc. in terms of LEVELS?
Veiled elitism.
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Sclorch]
#3513689 - 12/17/04 03:03 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am not that smart you are going to have to translate that please ?
Is wisdom in levels ? Well aren't all things learned in levels ? One does not learn how to read in one day. isn't one wiser as the years go by ? Isn't humility learned over many lessons ? Sure it can be understood in one great ahhhhhhhh I get it experince. But the true application to ones life takes many steps or a few but it does not happen in one split second
What is veiled elitism mean ? What Are you really saying here ?
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3513761 - 12/17/04 03:23 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I thing it is not a path at all
neither of them are
they are attitudes or components of attitude to be expressed live in any moment:
you could refer to them as attitudes that permit vision and experience to mesh lovingly with life.
these attitudes are achievements no more so than yoga postures are achievements, practice and dedication are required. One can lose the flexibility fairly quickly and revert to bad habits.
if the expression is not complete with a wise attitude, the wise moment is just not happenning.
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: redgreenvines]
#3513788 - 12/17/04 03:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes I understand that and maybe that is where self dissapiontment come into play sometimes. As there are months even years where a person is living in that place of wisdom and humility and yet there have been times where he just get fouled up in life.
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3513841 - 12/17/04 03:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess what I'm really saying is exactly what I said.
BTW, that cat in your avatar is creeping me out.
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Fucknuckle]  1
#3513847 - 12/17/04 03:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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you mean months and years of practice
all of which were fulfilling in themselves.
and then a goofy time of thinking the degree will get you through, but it was not a job interview it was life? so back to the work.
always the work
gotta love that work.
the laurels and degrees are like sorrow and debris
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Sclorch]
#3513857 - 12/17/04 03:46 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Sclorch said:
Veiled elitism.
So your not going to explain what this means ?  Or what you really saying ? becasue unless I understand, your are just talking and not communicating with me.
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: redgreenvines]
#3513861 - 12/17/04 03:47 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
redgreenvines said:
you mean months and years of practice
all of which were fulfilling in themselves.
and then a goofy time of thinking the degree will get you through, but it was not a job interview it was life? so back to the work.
always the work
gotta love that work.
Yes the lessons never end 
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 Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3513878 - 12/17/04 03:52 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fucknuckle said:
Quote:
Sclorch said:
Veiled elitism.
So your not going to explain what this means ? Or what you really saying ? becasue unless I understand, your are just talking and not communicating with me.
e?lit?ism or ??lit?ism (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
veiled (vld)
adj.
1. Covered with a veil: the veiled head of a bride.
2. Concealed or disguised as if with a veil: ?slur-footed ironies, veiled jokes, tiptoe malices? (Edith Wharton).
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Sclorch]
#3513905 - 12/17/04 03:57 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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So the idea that wisdom is learned in levels or in a progression is a group of people or person that think they are superior and have there heads in the clouds ?
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3513931 - 12/17/04 04:02 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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there are no levels
just different places
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: redgreenvines]
#3513948 - 12/17/04 04:05 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
redgreenvines said:
there are no levels
just different places
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Sclorch]
#3513984 - 12/17/04 04:13 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Got it :-)
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3514099 - 12/17/04 04:48 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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i feel so used
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: redgreenvines]
#3514112 - 12/17/04 04:52 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Take a bath that helps............. 
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Re: Is Wisdom and Humility a one way path ? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3514287 - 12/17/04 05:40 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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can't bath gotta drive and shop - yeucch!
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