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MycoJunkie
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Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better?
#3510830 - 12/16/04 08:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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(As substrate that is) Just curious, 'cause I went to the feed store and only bought white millet should have bought both so i could compare and contribute.
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: MycoJunkie]
#3510964 - 12/16/04 08:35 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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hmm with millet your going ot need some verm added to the mixture to hold water..from what i read here on the shroomery..but im pretty sure i read that straight millet wasn't that good..needed the verm to help it out..
gl, happy shroomn.....
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MycoJunkie
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: djred]
#3511012 - 12/16/04 08:43 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Would you say millet+verm is just as good as WBS? Can anybody confirm that?
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: MycoJunkie]
#3511037 - 12/16/04 08:47 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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i've heard white millet is more desirable than WBS... but is more expensive.
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MycoJunkie
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: ZeroArmy27]
#3511059 - 12/16/04 08:50 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sweetness. Thx ZA27
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: MycoJunkie]
#3511065 - 12/16/04 08:52 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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wbs is just cheaper..im trying cracked corn as we speak i have me jars pc..i like wbs,its easy grows nicely i had hlf pints jars less then 2weeks mostly colonized..thats using spores ..
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MycoJunkie
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: djred]
#3511068 - 12/16/04 08:52 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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What % of verm should I use in my millet?
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ZeroArmy27
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: MycoJunkie]
#3511092 - 12/16/04 08:57 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Edited by ZeroArmy27 (12/16/04 09:00 PM)
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MycoJunkie
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: ZeroArmy27]
#3511175 - 12/16/04 09:14 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do I grind the millet, or just some, or none?
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ZeroArmy27
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: MycoJunkie]
#3511201 - 12/16/04 09:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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not at all. read the instructions on the links i gave you, you use the whole grain.
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: ZeroArmy27]
#3511319 - 12/16/04 09:48 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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WBS isn't nearly the best substrate, it's just the cheapest that works.
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MycoJunkie
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: spliffmasta]
#3511404 - 12/16/04 10:19 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is WBS a lot faster than PF? Also, do you really need to soak your WBS?
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ZeroArmy27
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: MycoJunkie]
#3511863 - 12/17/04 12:02 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes, it is faster than PF because you can do the shakey.
yes, soak your WBS.
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: ZeroArmy27]
#3511925 - 12/17/04 12:14 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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IF YOU HAVE A PC, this is an easy blend of quasi/compost SYNTHETIC BULK SUBSTRATE, that BEATS WBS alone - HANDS DOWN.
Finely chopped ground aged /leached horse manure & presoaked finely chopped wheat straw, fortified with a small percentage of home ground BRF & some pre/soaked PC?ed WBS, as a delayed nutrient - source, with a little verm added -to increase its moisture retention capacity.
No exacting magic formula. For instance, a 5 or 10 gallon size tote tub w/lid. Fill halfway with aged chopped (as fine as you can get it) horse manure. About a 20% portion of pre/soaked finely chopped wheat straw (the finer, the better). A couple pounds of home ground BRF. 3 or 4 quarts of pre/soaked PC?ed millet based WBS (PC?ed will not germinate). About a gallon size volume of vermiculite. Just toss it all in & mix well.
When you want to use it, take out however much you intend to use & add spring water until at field capacity (meaning - when you squeeze it - just a few drops of moisture - drip from it). Then PC the prepared mix (@ 15 psi 60 - 70 minutes) in a autoclave, turkey or tinfoil baking bag.
Allow to cool to room temp & spawn ASAP (sooner the better) @ about 15 to 20 % rate with colonized WBS.
Saran wrap top of container, poke some (10 or 15) pinholes in Saran wrap (for gas exchange), then cover container top with aluminum foil applied crumpled & loose over top & bent over edges a few inches (to keep it in darkness - but still allow some gas exchange).
That is a simple inexpensive bulk blend, that requires no science, or brain surgery to make. If you can find the ingredients (which isn?t tough, if you are tenacious & look for them). Think Feed & seed store for wheat straw & horse stables for horse poo.
Incubated & 80/85F & high rh, so it will not dehydrate. Once fully colonized, case with pasteurized or PC?ed 50/50 Verm - Coir mix , with sprinkle of finely crushed oyster shell (chicken grit - think feed store) to balance & maintain ph of casing mix. PC'ed substrate mix is in a BAG & easy to protect.
WBS spawn is in 100% colonized quart jars, or autoclave filter/patch bag.
So - both are clean & good to go.
Use 12 quart / 11.4 liter STERILITE dishpan (or similar container). ($1.69 at Walmart)
Bake a few feet of rolled tinfoil in oven @ 350F - 10 - 15 minutes.
In as clean as possible surrounding conditions (cleaned Lysol?ed bathroom - G/B, or flow-hood).
Wear dust or surgical mask, cover hair, have clean hands, if using bathroom.
Spray tub with white VINIGAR Then, spray with hydrogen peroxide (3% H202). Wipe dry with sterile gauze pad. This will KILL any contam on it.
Add sterilized tinfoil to tub BOTTOM & SIDES, if light shines through it.(so light doesn?t penetrate sides & bottom & cause bottom pinning - later).
Open Substrate bag & empty into lined container.
Open spawn jars - or bags & mix into substrate.
Pull out a couple feet Saran Wrap & spray with H202 (no need to wipe off).
Cover container TOP with Saran Wrap, H202 side down.
Pinhole Saran Wrap with alc swabbed needle.
Cover Saran Wrap with prepared & crumpled Tinfoil.
Bingo, you have a CLEAN & self contained substrate - ready to incubate.
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Re: Is White Millet or Mixed WBS better? [Re: MycoJunkie]
#3512710 - 12/17/04 08:27 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
MycoJunkie said: What % of verm should I use in my millet?
Personally I like to make a mix of grain for spawn material , milo, millet(different varieties Jap , Germ ,Red and White Prosos) ,and lately been tossing in some groats . You do not need to add verm to this mix . From that you can inoc bulk subs , or just case the grain when it is 100% ready . You will not get some of the biggest mushies possible doing this(just casing the grain) , but none the less they will be happy . GL
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