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Acaia DMT
    #3506274 - 12/15/04 10:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

What would be the best source and plant to grow to obtain DMT.

From the Acacia family.

Im thinking Acacia maidenii.

(Im from aus).


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Re: Acaia DMT [Re: JaRRn]
    #3506424 - 12/15/04 11:21 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Personally, I would go with A. obtusifolia. The tryptamine content is roughly the same in both species, but maidenii is endangered/protected (slower growing) so unless you're growing them for conservation purposes, I would stick with obtusifolia.

In addition to this, the different batches of other alkaloids (nobody really knows what any of them are!) from different acacias can provide completely different experiences, but generally the alkaloids in obtusifolia support and augment the basic compound in a positive manner.

That said, http://www.shaman-australis.com.au/Website/Shamanmainpageframeset.htm is a GREAT supplier of a large number of ethnobotanical and australian native plants. They also stock just about every tryptamine bearing acacia species in Australia, check them out.


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Re: Acaia DMT [Re: JaRRn]
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Re: Acaia DMT [Re: JaRRn]
    #3508105 - 12/16/04 11:47 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks BorgFace & Merkaba !


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Re: Acaia DMT [Re: JaRRn]
    #3509150 - 12/16/04 04:42 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

You have it backwards my friend.

Maidenii is the NON rare quick growing species, while phlebophylla is endangered.

A.obtusifolia is , like Maidenii , not endangered.


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Re: Acaia DMT [Re: BorgFace]
    #3509463 - 12/16/04 05:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Acacia Obtusifolia

Relatively common species, requiring similar conditions, treatment and soils to A. phlebophylla (see below), though seeds germinate more readily and a more adaptable and wide spread species. Seeds treated as for A. phlebophylla.
Can also tolerate cold conditions, frost and rarely snow, likes open well drained site with full sun. Can grow back from roots, suckering, after bushfires.
Multi-stemmed shrub to single stemmed small tree, up to 10m, lives 10-20yrs, can prune to control shape and promote foliage and flower probably. Fertilise with granite/ rock dust fertiliser. Hardy once established, found growing on escarpments and gravelly exposed and disturbed land, sometimes along rivers and creeks in near coastal areas. Seedlings eaten by cattle and possibly other herbivores so not as widespread as may have previously been.
Flowers early to mid summer (Nov-Feb), seems to vary depending on conditions and probably genetics, pods and seeds ripe late Nov to early Jan.



Acacia Phlebophylla

Found naturally only on exposed granite slopes high up Mt Buffalo in Vic, a rare and endangered species.
Likes well drained coarse gravel sand mix. Likes full sun, especially once established. Likes water but fungus sensitive so periodic drying out ok, can be grown under cover in high rainfall areas. Can handle exposed conditions, cold, including frosts and snow, bushfires and hot summers and intense light.
Seeds can be germinated by scarification of the seed, and them soaked in water for a few hours, until the seed swells and then placed in a germinating medium and kept moist, may take up to a month (or even a few) for them to germinate, longer than many other acacias. Other factors such as cold temperatures or bushfires might also affect the germination process in the wild.

Under cultivation they may grow bigger and live longer than in the wild, no need for high nitrogen fertilisers, a granite/ rock dust slow release fertilisers seems good, maintains good drainage. Acacias in the wild and cultivated are found to have a symbiotic relationship with certain rhizobium bacteria that form nodules on the roots and fix nitrogen to the soil. For plants grown outside Australia or in sterile mediums from seed it may be necesary to inoculate the soil or medium with rhizobium culture, which is available commercially for Australian acacias, for the plant to succeed past seedling stage.
Pruning dead branches will prolong life, pruning generally will promote flowering and foliage growth in most acacias, producing bushier plants and if old enough more flowers. They can probably cope with pruning quite well, depending on age and health, pruning to remove borers and galls will assist the plants health anyway.
For not so well drained areas plants can probably be planted out on small 'rock' hills, say 0.5 to 1.5m high pile of broken rock (granite or similar type of rock) and maybe some soil mix and rock dust between and then the seedlings planted out on them. Healthy established plants would be best for this. May be able to grow as a pot plant in a large pot, use a similar mix and prune to maintain size, can move for sunlight and warmth, indoors if necesary for extreme winters but can handle quite cold conditions.
Can grow from 2-4 m high, rarely as a small tree, more common as multistemmed shrub in the wild. Flowers in Sep-Oct (Spring) in it's natural habitat, seeds mature in pods Dec-Jan (Summer) in natural habitat.


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Re: Acaia DMT [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #3511481 - 12/17/04 12:46 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/dse/nrenpa.nsf/FID/-29E78FB33DC1A2984A256806007DDC1A?OpenDocument

A. maidenii, about 1/4 of the page down. It's protected AND rare, so I guess we're both partially correct on that one :tongue:

You're right about A. phlebophylla too. It is rare and endangered.

Either way, I'd stick with obtusifolia. Even though the bark of A. maidenii contains 0.36% DMT and A. obtusifolia contains 0.15%, I've found obutisfolia a much easier plant to work with. In the end it's your choice, get what you think is best.

The following site may be of some use. I think it even compares obtusifolia and maidenii extractions.

http://users.lycaeum.org/~mulga/acacia/obtuphy.html


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