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InvisibleGijith
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Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes.
    #3506109 - 12/15/04 10:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe another 10 billion of our money will finally provide hope against all those missiles that are fired at us.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/15/politi...artner=homepage

An important test of the United States' emerging missile-defense system ended in an $85 million failure early today as an interceptor rocket failed to launch as scheduled from the Marshall Islands, the Pentagon said.

A target rocket carrying a mock warhead was successfully launched from Kodiak, Alaska. But the interceptor, which was to have gone aloft 16 minutes later and picked off the target 100 miles over the earth, automatically shut down instead because of "an unknown anomaly," the Defense Department's Missile Defense Agency said.

Despite the disappointment, today's event was not a total failure, said Richard A. Lehner, an agency spokesman. He said "quite a bit" had been learned from the aborted test, which he called "a very good training exercise." He noted that the rocket that failed to rise can be used later. The target rocket landed in the ocean some 3,000 miles from Kodiak, he said.

Mr. Lehner said he could not predict when the cause of the shutdown might be determined. No future tests have been scheduled.

The missile agency had attempted a test several times this month, but weather and other factors caused postponements. Today's test was to have been the most advanced so far, Mr. Lehner said. The interceptor was equipped with the same type of booster rocket that the defense system is to use when it is fully operational.

The test was also to have been the first for the multibillion-dollar program since Dec. 12, 2002. That test was also a failure; the interceptor did not separate from its booster rocket, missed its target by hundreds of miles and burned up in the atmosphere.

Before today's test, the Pentagon agency had conducted eight tests with interceptor vehicles, scoring hits in five. Some critics of the Missile Defense Agency, which has spent more than $80 billion since 1985, say the entire program is unrealistic, and that the tests have been scripted.

On the contrary, the agency says. It says the tests are designed to answer specific questions and "to build confidence in the system that we are working to design." Although individual tests are expensive, Mr. Lehner said fewer are necessary than with missiles of years past because of advanced modeling and simulation techniques.

The missile system under development is a scaled-down version of the "Star Wars" defense envisioned by President Ronald Reagan two decades ago against a rain of missiles from the Soviet Union. But the end of the cold war made President Reagan's original vision outdated. The system now contemplated would guard the United States against attack from smaller "rogue nations."

The administration of President Bill Clinton explored a much less advanced system. Then George Bush pledged during the 2000 campaign to push for a scaled-down version of the Reagan plan.

It was not immediately clear how long today's failure might delay deployment of the system. In December 2002, President Bush said he hoped the system would be operational by the end of 2004.


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: Gijith]
    #3506132 - 12/15/04 10:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

carlysle group to the rescue....they can fix it!


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: afoaf]
    #3506174 - 12/15/04 10:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i love how the military is one of the only enterprises where if you have huge, systematic failures and fuck-ups, instead of recognizing that the problem is somewhere at the base of the whole thing and re-vamping it, we just increase their budget. biggest waste of money (not to mention biggest terrorist organization) that has ever existed... :sad:


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: Krishna]
    #3506318 - 12/15/04 10:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Krishna said:
i love how the military is one of the only enterprises where if you have huge, systematic failures and fuck-ups, instead of recognizing that the problem is somewhere at the base of the whole thing and re-vamping it, we just increase their budget. biggest waste of money (not to mention biggest terrorist organization) that has ever existed... :sad:



Uh, that applies to almost everything the government does. Education, welfare, foreign aid, etc., all get thrown insane amounts of money relative to how abysmally they fail. The bureaucrats actually have incentive to fail -- gotta love government.


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: Krishna]
    #3506444 - 12/15/04 11:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

the beauracracy can never win.


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: afoaf]
    #3506948 - 12/16/04 01:20 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So privatize the military.


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: carbonhoots]
    #3506984 - 12/16/04 01:28 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Serously. Missle defence in a big loser. It ignites another arms race. Just what the world needs. More missles.

It's such a money maker for the military industrial complex of America. What a great way to siphon off huge bloody amounts of public money.

It has a cascading effect too, since it causes more defence spending by other countries. Then USA can again spend more, and so on.


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: carbonhoots]
    #3507015 - 12/16/04 01:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

How well does a missile defense system work against suitcase nukes or biological agents carried by car or ship into the country, below the radar?


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: Autonomous]
    #3507092 - 12/16/04 01:53 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I think the citizens should build a missle defense against politicians and military corporations.

...I guess those are the same people...


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: Gijith]
    #3507127 - 12/16/04 02:00 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

first of all..its wrong to call it missile "defense"...while its not an offensive weapon as such..its ultimate aim is to produce a unilateral first-strike capability..which makes it an offensive weapon nonetheless...

second of all..even more disturbing is the # of ppl who seem willing to trust this thing to ward off a "nucular" attack or counterattack..irregardless of whether its used defensively or offensively...


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: carbonhoots]
    #3507918 - 12/16/04 10:54 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

i think we are privatizing. alot of the bases here in Texas have gone private.


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Re: Missile Defense System fails yet another test... shocking, yes. [Re: Autonomous]
    #3508058 - 12/16/04 11:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My thoughts exactly. It seems unlikely that any 'rogue nations' will ever get the chance to launch a nuclear missile at the US.

I think the money would have been far better spent improving airport and border security. From what I've read it's still relatively easy to smuggle a knife on board a plane in both the US and UK, let alone the Middle East...


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