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SIMPLE EASY SYNTHETIC BULK
    #3498709 - 12/14/04 07:10 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

IF YOU HAVE A PC, this is an easy blend of quasi/compost SYNTHETIC BULK SUBSTRATE.

Finely chopped ground aged /leached horse manure & presoaked finely chopped wheat straw, fortified with a small percentage of home ground BRF & some pre/soaked PC?ed WBS, as a delayed nutrient - source, with a little verm added -to increase its moisture retention capacity.

No exacting magic formula.
For instance, a 5 or 10 gallon size tote tub w/lid. Fill halfway with aged chopped (as fine as you can get it) horse manure. About a 20% portion of pre/soaked finely chopped wheat straw (the finer, the better). A couple pounds of home ground BRF. 3 or 4 quarts of pre/soaked PC?ed millet based WBS (PC?ed will not germinate). About a gallon size volume of vermiculite. Just toss it all in & mix well.

When you want to use it, take out however much you intend to use & add spring water until at field capacity (meaning - when you squeeze it - just a few drops of moisture - drip from it). Then PC the prepared mix (@ 15 psi 60 - 70 minutes) in a autoclave, turkey or tinfoil baking bag.

Allow to cool to room temp & spawn ASAP (sooner the better) @ about 15 to 20 % rate with colonized WBS.

Saran wrap top of container, poke some (10 or 15) pinholes in Saran wrap (for gas exchange), then cover container top with aluminum foil applied crumpled & loose over top & bent over edges a few inches (to keep it in darkness - but still allow some gas exchange).

That is a simple inexpensive bulk blend, that requires no science, or brain surgery to make. If you can find the ingredients (which isn?t tough, if you are tenacious & look for them). Think Feed & seed store for wheat straw & horse stables for horse poo.

Incubated & 80/85F & high rh, so it will not dehydrate. Once fully colonized, case with pasteurized or PC?ed 50/50 Verm - Coir mix , with sprinkle of finely crushed oyster shell (chicken grit - think feed store) to balance & maintain ph of casing mix.


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Re: SIMPLE EASY SYNTHETIC BULK [Re: agar]
    #3498786 - 12/14/04 07:20 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

NIce agar!!! As so often!

One question, you say saran wrap on top of container and also alufoil. I often see the bulk substrate more directly covered in pics with punctured plastic, thats no proof just wondering here....

Also you dont pasteurize, but PC the mix. Why is that?

And last but not least, the final PC will kill the WBS in compost after all. Whats the function of the not PC-ed WBS in teh compost?

Thanks.

Even if I only get question 1 answered im defintaly gonna try this tek of yors! :thumbup:

(Actually I just mailed a horseowner some hours ago, who lives a few miles from here and offered his pure horsedung on local ebay for free.)

EDIT: And why is it called synthetic?


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Re: SIMPLE EASY SYNTHETIC BULK [Re: agar]
    #3498864 - 12/14/04 07:30 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Sterilize or pasteurize the bulk compost? Wouldn't sterilizing it allow it to contam easier than pasteurizing it? Especially with BRF in it?

(yes, yes I know you grew a 124 gram Ecuador mushroom :tongue: )


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Re: SIMPLE EASY SYNTHETIC BULK [Re: KlingonFromUranus]
    #3498893 - 12/14/04 07:33 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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KlingonFromUranus said:
(yes, yes I know you grew a 124 gram Ecuador mushroom :tongue: )




LOLOLOLOL...i'm very interested in this tek.


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Re: SIMPLE EASY SYNTHETIC BULK [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3498938 - 12/14/04 07:38 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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MushroomFriend said:
NIce agar!!! As so often!

One question, you say saran wrap on top of container and also alufoil. I often see the bulk substrate more directly covered in pics with punctured plastic, thats no proof just wondering here....

Also you dont pasteurize, but PC the mix. Why is that?

And last but not least, the final PC will kill the WBS in compost after all. Whats the function of the not PC-ed WBS in teh compost?

Thanks.

Even if I only get question 1 answered im defintaly gonna try this tek of yors! :thumbup:

(Actually I just mailed a horseowner some hours ago, who lives a few miles from here and offered his pute horsedung on local ebay for free.)



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Saran wrap IS CLEAR PLASTIC WRAP. Used so you can SEE what is going on inside container (without exposure to contam bearing air). Few tiny pinholes allow GAS EXCHANGE, without exposure to open air.

Aluminum Foil is to KEEP IT IN DARKNESS. You can RAISE tinfoil & eyeball whats going on though Saran wrap.

UNCOLONIZED PC'ed WBS in substrate mix is a DELAYED NUTRIENT.
It is DEAD & will not GERMINATE, because it was STERILIZED.
It lays in substrate mix, in compact whole seed form & gets colonized & digested as myc fruits & flushes.

You add COLONIZED WBS SPAWN to PC'ed & cooled substrate mix (once mix is at room temp).

YOU DO NOT PC SUBSTRATE, after it has colonized WBS spawn added.

The MIX is full of nasties, because it has not been fully COMPOSTED.

PC'ing the SUBSTRATE MIX, kills the nasties. Pasturizing would NOT.

I hope that explains it.


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Re: SIMPLE EASY SYNTHETIC BULK [Re: agar]
    #3499004 - 12/14/04 07:47 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Yes it explains it all, thanks again good man!

Hey but dont underestimate this shroomfarmer huh!?:P LOL with saying dont PC the colonized WBS spawn... :lol:

I did not read  well enough, you actually ARE saying that teh addes wbs is PC-ed,, :wink:

Way to go brow I let u knowww.. :thumbup:

MF

PS: And TODAY knows how to grow his Orissas now :wink:


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Re: SIMPLE EASY SYNTHETIC BULK [Re: agar]
    #3499043 - 12/14/04 07:54 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

Hmm, I'm worried about contams but other than that this looks good.

What kind of contam precautions are you taking during spawning? I mean flowhood, lysoled bathroom, ect...?

How big a casings is this being used for? AFOAFs got a homemade flowhood, but he uses large tubs.

How many times has this tek been done? AFOAFs actually thought of doing something very similar, but has never trusted sterility with large amounts. The bacteria left over from pasteurizing help alot, so it's just that much harder to mess up.


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Re: SIMPLE EASY SYNTHETIC BULK [Re: Tantalus]
    #3499359 - 12/14/04 08:40 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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Tantalus said:
Hmm, I'm worried about contams but other than that this looks good.

What kind of contam precautions are you taking during spawning?

I mean flowhood, lysoled bathroom, ect...?

How big a casings is this being used for?

How many times has this tek been done?




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PC'ed substrate mix is in a BAG & easy to protect.

WBS spawn is in 100% colonized quart jars, or autoclave filter/patch bag.

So - both are clean & good to go.

Use 12 quart / 11.4 liter STERILITE dishpan (or similar container).
($1.69 at Walmart)

Bake a few feet of rolled tinfoil in oven @ 350F - 10 - 15 minutes.

In as clean as possible surrounding conditions (cleaned Lysol?ed bathroom - G/B, or flow-hood).

Wear dust or surgical mask, cover hair, have clean hands, if using bathroom.

Spray tub with white VINIGAR
Then, spray with hydrogen peroxide (3% H202).
Wipe dry with sterile gauze pad.
This will KILL any contam on it.

Add sterilized tinfoil to tub BOTTOM & SIDES, if light shines through it.(so light doesn?t penetrate sides & bottom & cause bottom pinning - later).

Open Substrate bag & empty into lined container.

Open spawn jars - or bags & mix into substrate.

Pull out a couple feet Saran Wrap & spray with H202 (no need to wipe off).

Cover container TOP with Saran Wrap, H202 side down.

Pinhole Saran Wrap with alc swabbed needle.

Cover Saran Wrap with prepared & crumpled Tinfoil.

Bingo, you have a CLEAN & self contained substrate - ready to incubate.

My foaf did this multiple times, with 98% effective rate & great B/E before he got into compost.


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Re: SIMPLE EASY SYNTHETIC BULK [Re: agar]
    #3499532 - 12/14/04 09:08 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

You just have to be CLEAN working with sterilized bulk as opposed to pasturized. Interesting stuff agar...its good having you around because you do things differently then most..Everyone always says you can't sterilize straw/poo you have to pasturize but I've done it both ways successfully..


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Re: SIMPLE EASY SYNTHETIC BULK [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3512593 - 12/17/04 09:35 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Can you use this colonized bulk as spawn?


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