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Embarrassing first harvest question
    #3496983 - 12/14/04 02:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

So, what's all this about not letting the caps open before you harvest? :confused:


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: Loosifa]
    #3496992 - 12/14/04 02:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

After the caps start to open(vail breaking) Psilocyben production stops. Best time to pick.


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: Loosifa]
    #3496993 - 12/14/04 02:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The general consensus is that your specimens will be more potent if you harvest before the veil breaks.


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: Holydiver]
    #3497025 - 12/14/04 02:17 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I read different but was like a year ago.

If everyone else will type-up Let me know which way to go.


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: KaptKid]
    #3497091 - 12/14/04 02:31 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Fuckin wives tale...you are not going to notice any difference in potency if you pick a shroom right before the cap breaks or if you wait half a day until it breaks.


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: kronnyQ]
    #3497412 - 12/14/04 03:22 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, if abhorts(BABIES) are considered potent as hell then it doesnt really matter, and it continues to produce pylisoben, who ever tells you other wise is misinformed...Around maturity it slows drop tremendously in terms of producing the chemical, it doesn't really matter when you pick to be honest, but size makes them look more potent, they have about all the chemical they will have when they're a lil bit bigger than pins. I'll look for a site to back me up, but till then, indulge in some research. Gl...o and some people just like the spores to not get everywhere so they pick b4 it breaks...


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #3497431 - 12/14/04 03:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

mushrooms WILL NOT give you a noticeable diff. at all picking it before the cap opens. the diff. is to minute for your brain to tell just leave them


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: HUSTLE_INC]
    #3497440 - 12/14/04 03:29 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

^^^^^=), nuff said, nice way of putting it =)


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: kronnyQ]
    #3497452 - 12/14/04 03:33 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

IN my personal research I could not tell any difference between closed caps or open caps. Other than spore making ability.

I would think that there is some difference but would need a machine to test the difference.Like stem vs. cap.

This debate will probably go on forever.


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: KaptKid]
    #3497474 - 12/14/04 03:36 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Kapt's right, and i think on some strains the stems are more potent but they taste like shit so just make tea lol.


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: KaptKid]
    #3497488 - 12/14/04 03:38 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks, people. I had a massive crop, btw. Wish I knew how to do pictures....


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: Loosifa]
    #3497507 - 12/14/04 03:42 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'd tell you but i mess up a lot w/ the postin of pics, im jus a big poster and researcher, sry : /


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #3497610 - 12/14/04 04:02 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I wait till they are fully open:



It is my, and everyone who has taken mushrooms I've grown, belief that all the stuff about active production stopping at any point in the life cycle but growth continuing is hogwash, along with drying under low heat. Just my opinion take it or leave it.


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3497668 - 12/14/04 04:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

In my opinion based on reading and experience, when the cap begins to bloom, production stops or slows significantly enough that it'd be safe to say it 'stops'. At least with cyans and cubes. I'm not claiming anything besides this is what I believe.

The only reason people say they are more 'potent' is because if your eating 5 dried grams of mature mushrooms compared to 5 dried grams of babies, the chem is going to be spread out more thru the 5 mature grams, so in other words its gonna take more babies. It all fluctuates and is unique to each individual mushroom of course too, but as a general rule I don't let cyan caps get any larger then a quarter. If you were involved in a scenario where overall dry weight was valued over potency, then matures would be best suited. For personal use, id rather eat less mushroom flesh myself... ~D


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: Majestic]
    #3497761 - 12/14/04 04:33 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Theres no proof that the chemicals are any less dense in a larger fruit then a smaller fruit. None whatsoever in either direction actually. Only beliefs and ideas.

For me, I believe psilocybin and psilocin are produced on a cellular level..which means every cell would contain the same amount of actives. Thats kinda how I look at it.


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: Holydiver]
    #3497773 - 12/14/04 04:36 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Dont worry bout potency, just eat some more when veils have broken... :wink:


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3497828 - 12/14/04 04:49 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

If someone did assays of a collection of adult mushrooms compared to small ones, wouldn't that be a possible way to compare amounts?


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: Majestic]
    #3497857 - 12/14/04 04:55 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

It would be completly subjective. You cant take some aborts then some mature open caps and compare the two. Every strain, casing, cake, mushroom, environment, and trip will be different.

The only way to compare amounts of actives would be to actually measure. You would need at least 100 specimins, a specimin being an abort and a fully mature mushroom from the same casing. The more specimins the better of course. After that, you can have a real comparison. Until then its all just theories and ideas.


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Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3497996 - 12/14/04 05:23 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Scatman, what strain of cub is that in the pics you posted? How 'bout your avatar?


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Re: Embarrassing first harvest question [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3498592 - 12/14/04 06:53 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Oh i know =\ im suprised someone hasn't really done that yet actually with as much skepticism there is around it from person to person. I know theres so many variables but, on a general scale if you took 50 pre-broken veil babies and 50 fully bloomed cap adults, and the two groups roughly equaled each other, or if the adults were roughly 150-250% more saturated...i think itd be safe to come to some conclusion...of course obviously with all tests like this 1000 of each would be better and then 100 tests ect...i just wish someone didnt mind doing it =P ~D


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