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Invisibleninjapixie
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Why won't these walls stay still?
    #3494273 - 12/13/04 10:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This is what I learnt from my most recent trip.

I already knew time and ego were illusions, but the combination of taoist philosophy and my first psychedelic voyage in almost six months has lead me to another illusion- stillness.

There is nothing that is still in the true sense of the word. On my recent trip I coudn't see or feel anything that wasn't moving. Everything was moving. It's a relative thing of course. If everything was moving in the same direction then nothing would actually be moving. But things move in different directions.

There does appear to be a general direction things are moving, but I can't say in what direction. Perhaps direction isn't the right word as that implies a destination. It's like people are always moving with it, but struggle against the 'tide' as such, trying to move in different directions but still being carried along. They are putting in the effort when they don't need to.

Now when you're moving, resonating with the tao (for lack of a better word), you have the illusion of stillness, but you're still moving. Just moving with IT (but without effort).

This make any sense? Or have I acquired serious brain damage?
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Re: Why won't these walls stay still? [Re: ninjapixie]
    #3494288 - 12/13/04 10:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The walls won't stay still because your neighbors are screwing.


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Re: Why won't these walls stay still? [Re: ninjapixie]
    #3494346 - 12/13/04 11:00 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think you're probably right. Perfect stillness is death or non existence. Everything is in a constant state of change. How would you know yourself as existing except in contrast to something else?

But no, I don't think you're crazy at all. Quite the contrary.


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Re: Why won't these walls stay still? [Re: TinTree]
    #3494369 - 12/13/04 11:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TinTree said:
The walls won't stay still because your neighbors are screwing.




Phew. For a moment I thought it was my parents.


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Re: Why won't these walls stay still? [Re: Jellric]
    #3494397 - 12/13/04 11:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I was going insane on that trip. I seriously thought I'd worked it all out, and those so-called crazy people are those who've totally worked it out and don't want to (or can't) come back to the ordinary world.


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Re: Why won't these walls stay still? [Re: ninjapixie]
    #3494536 - 12/13/04 11:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I find that tripping makes you view things as if they are moving for a few months. After a while as your mind gets more sober it stops moving and things appear more solid.


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Re: Why won't these walls stay still? [Re: ninjapixie]
    #3496299 - 12/14/04 10:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It sounds to me like you are confusing physical existance's concept of "stillness" with the concept of spiritual stillness.. which is more like a metaphor than anything. It's not that your mind ceases to act at all, but that you reach a point of transcendence BEYOND your mind, where you are unaffected by the actions of the mind. Therefore your consciousness reaches a point of "stillness".

P.S. A Fear of insanity will only hold you back. Realize that in order to truly delve into what you do not already know, one must tread into the realm of insanity.. into the chaotic void. This is where everything outside of your current realm of knowledge lies.. and a fear of insanity will only hold you back when you explore this realm. Just realize that you aren't forming permanent attachments to that which you explore.. you are not going insane just because you choose to explore "insane" areas of thought.


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Re: Why won't these walls stay still? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3499684 - 12/14/04 09:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I don't like to make the distinction between physical and spiritual. They're both the same from a certain perspective.

The way I see it, when the brain is in tune with the natural flow or energy of the universe, while still moving, the mind is still. Consciousness resonates and transcends.

I've often thought that the truly sane people in the world are those that appear insane to ordinary folk. It's like the normal people aren't in tune with reality and its those they class as insane who are really with it. eh who my kidding, I'm a nut :smile:


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Re: Why won't these walls stay still? [Re: ninjapixie]
    #3499723 - 12/14/04 09:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I agree that, from a certain perspective, they are the same.

Perhaps a better way to phrase it would have been "inward" and "outward".

There are two different "locations" for stillness to possibly take place... the one you're considering is the outward... the observable reality that "exists" according to mutual confirmation.

The other location is inward... it is a place inside of you that cannot be observed by anyone but yourself. This is the place where the concept of stillness as I am relating it comes from.

I don't like to seperate physical and spiritual at all, I consider everything to be spiritual... I just chose a poor choice of words I guess. :smile:


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Re: Why won't these walls stay still? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3499903 - 12/14/04 09:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah you can say all reality is spiritual.

But aren't inward and outward the same? What you see and observe out there is whats going on inside your mind, like your mind reflects the external world. So when you're in tune with the external world, or one with the world, you're moving with the natural flow.

How can the inward mind inside you be observed by you when you're not really there to begin with? :smile:


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