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OfflineSir Tokes-A-Lot
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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Taz]
    #371470 - 08/14/01 11:50 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

hey!!!what the fuck is wrong with israelis, huh? what is this shit about the israeli seal of approval?



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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Sir Tokes-A-Lot]
    #372640 - 08/16/01 06:19 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

LOL. I can't believe htis thread is still going.



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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Taz]
    #383486 - 09/02/01 04:09 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Isis, if U read the Bible like U claimed U have then U would know that homosexuality is listed as a sin.

Well, since there's already a tonne of posts, I didn't read them all but I just wanted to comment on what Taz said above ^ (I'm not sure if anyone already pointed this out).

Taz, eating mushrooms is a sin. Don't bash gays and tell them that they're sinning if you are sinning as well. The Bible wasn't meant to be taken literally. Most of the stuff in it didn't even happen. The Bible also says "let thee with no sins cast the first stone". Obviously, you have sinned, so don't point out other's "sins". Being gay isn't a sin. The Bible is so outdated, everything was a sin back then...

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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Shiznitz]
    #383667 - 09/02/01 08:50 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Good point. I don't think that one has been pointed out yet.It's kinda funny. I remember thinking how strange that a law breaking shroomer could be so judgmental and righteous. I really don't care much about what the bible says. I think religion is a source of great evil and has caused much pain and harm. Sometimes I see how religious people treat those they dislike, and I make a mental note to never become that way.I live my life by a different standard.



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OfflineMrKurtz
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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Taz]
    #385951 - 09/05/01 07:36 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

This was such a long thread filled with alot of useless flaming(no pun intended) i didn't read it all, so I hope what I'm saying wasn't brought up earlier.

Well, I would just like to point out that what the bible says isnt necessarily the right thing, if I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) then people in the 19th century were justifying slavery through an obscure passage in the bible. I'll post it if I find it.
You can prove just about anything with the bible if you try hard enough.

And invertigo, where are the studies proving that gay people make a concious effort to become gay? Just because you say so, doesn't make it right. Now, like a few other people who probably wouldn't like to admit it, I did some experimenting, which just taught me I'm straight as an arrow. And if you're saying you made a conscious effort to lust after women (if you do at all) then you must be quite the idiot, actually wanting to be controlled by the opposite sex. If it was a conscious effort to choose what you were attracted to, I'm sure they're would be lots of people who would chose to not be sexually active whatsoever, cause I mean, your sex drive is just a choice right? And how you said, lots of gay people "embrace god" and become straight on a whim, and get married and have families, what you didn't say is gay men who do that have many affairs with other men, and just get married to have a nice cover-up. and if it was just a choice, why would so many gay teenagers commit suicide when they come to terms with who they are? they think they made the wrong choice so they can't take it back and they kill themselves? and you seem to be sticking to the point that people don't have any real proof that gay people are born gay, where's your proof that gay people make a concious choice? for someone who cares so much about proof, you provide very very little of your own. and, while I'm on the topic of proof, have you ever been on a farm or around animals for long peroids of time? (onces that still have they're sex organs that is) if have, you would probably notice that they sometimes have homosexual sex... and you think they chose to be gay right? because hell, you do know exactly what your talking about, and animals who's brains are not developed enough to have an ego make complex choices of what sexual orientation they will become when fully matured, because hell, sexuality is a conscious choice! I'm guessing you've heard of Allen Ginsberg also? (the fag poet, died a few years ago) if you've read alot of his poetry, you'd kind of get the picture that he enjoyed being gay, but only when he found acceptence in it. He even tried being straight, but it just didn't work, like just about every other gay person trying to be straight.

And about "gay sex being nasty", well, i doubt you would want to see any of your friends (guessing they're fat bald guys, after all, you are a conservative) having sex, now would you? And I don't doubt that the first time you saw a hardcore porn, you were quite horrified at what they were doing, and even before that, you probably thought kissing was gross! It's all a matter of what your accostumed to. If you've grown up your whole life thinking homosexuality is gross, and had nothing to combat that notion, well, believe it or not, it will seem gross to you! believe what you want, but don't go around disbelieving other people because of their "tainted" facts, when you have no facts of your own. at least try to keep an open mind...



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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: MrKurtz]
    #386137 - 09/05/01 03:56 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

i thought this topic was dead?..i guess not. Next time brainchild respond to my post if you want me to answer


****And invertigo, where are the studies proving that gay people make a concious effort to become gay?****

Where is the evidence that it's a born trait?

****Just because you say so, doesn't make it right****

doesn't make it wrong either

****Now, like a few other people who probably wouldn't like to admit it, I did some experimenting, which just taught me I'm straight as an arrow****

or that you were willing to become gay..ie: choice

****And if you're saying you made a conscious effort to lust after women (if you do at all) then you must be quite the idiot, actually wanting to be controlled by the opposite sex. ****

What in the hell are you talking about? Looks as though there must be another idiot out there.

****I'm sure they're would be lots of people who would chose to not be sexually active whatsoever, cause I mean, your sex drive is just a choice right? ****

As a matter of fact it is a choice...there are many who choose to be non-sexual ie: nuns, priests etc.. and those who just don't like sex. I'm assuming your a young boy because your logic is greatly unfocused and foggy.

****And how you said, lots of gay people "embrace god" and become straight on a whim, and get married and have families, what you didn't say is gay men who do that have many affairs with other men, and just get married to have a nice cover-up****

Then we aren't talking about those who are sincere. I know i was. You are assuming that anyone that chooses to be gay cannot choose to be strait. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

****why would so many gay teenagers commit suicide when they come to terms with who they are? they think they made the wrong choice so they can't take it back and they kill themselves? ****

as do thousands of strait teenagers that suffer from depression. Again your logic is flawed.

****you seem to be sticking to the point that people don't have any real proof that gay people are born gay, where's your proof that gay people make a concious choice?****

You are repeating yourself....you should read your own posts. Look at your first question

****for someone who cares so much about proof, you provide very very little of your own****

I don't claim that being Gay is normal. I claim it's a choice. the burden of proof is on the gay community. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that gays want their lifestyle to be considered normal and mandated to be accepted.

****....ever been on a farm or around animals for long peroids of time? (onces that still have they're sex organs that is) if have, you would probably notice that they sometimes have homosexual sex****

we are not animals..apples and oranges

****I'm guessing you've heard of Allen Ginsberg also? (the fag poet, died a few years ago) if you've read alot of his poetry, you'd kind of get the picture that he enjoyed being gay, but only when he found acceptence in it. ****

Your basing your proof on a poet? that's sad....why did you call him a Fag? I thought it was ok to be a homosexual. tsk tsk

****like just about every other gay person trying to be straight.****

But it's natural if a strait chooses to be gay..er i mean becomes gay naturally. You are starting to amuse me.

****And about "gay sex being nasty", well, i doubt you would want to see any of your friends (guessing they're fat bald guys, after all, you are a conservative) having sex, now would you? ****

that made absolutly no sense whatsoever. I'm a libertarian (do you even know what that means?). Bald? ha ha..not really though i'm only 30 so talk to me in 10 years. But i forgot how beautiful Socialist Liberals are ie: Barbara Striesan(sp), Rosie O'Donal, Hillary Clinton, Joselyn Elders...i could go on but i'm about to throw-up

****And I don't doubt that the first time you saw a hardcore porn, you were quite horrified at what they were doing****

Actually i quite enjoy them with my wife

****If you've grown up your whole life thinking homosexuality is gross****

I have free choice and it is my opinion...you quite enjoy gay sex and you have that right to do it.

****but don't go around disbelieving other people because of their "tainted" facts, when you have no facts of your own. at least try to keep an open mind****

I can disbelieve anyone i want because 9 out of 10 times they can't proove a damn thing. My facts aren't the ones that need proving. I'm asking you to prove your stance that homosexuality is a born trait. Open mind? Liberals are the ones that refuse to open their minds and accept the fact that others don't except their beliefs. Ie: if you don't accept the gay life style you are close-minded....


I only answered this post because you are the example of what's wrong with public education. This has been done over and over again and you are just repeating what was already said. I did enjoy your broad generalizations and complete ignorance to the matter at hand and find you humorous...though very misinformed and a tad juvenile(sp)

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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #386174 - 09/05/01 05:44 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

whew that was a long ass read for a redneck...heres what we do: we raise an army of fags, then we invade the vatican...and the jimmy swaggart collesium and college. then when our forces reconsolidate and get matching outfits we go on a killling spree of chciken rapists of biblical proportions until all the bibles are burned.. and then the USA will truly be the bestest country in the world....no universe....still havent figored out an angle on how to deal with clinton...oh yeah while all thats going on all hot lezbians should hop in the sack with me so i can get in touch with my feminine side....yeah touch. oh yeah fuck bellarus

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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: oDin]
    #386402 - 09/06/01 01:19 AM (21 years, 30 days ago)

Innvertigo,
From what I've read, you want prove. Short of DNA evidence
stating that there is a genetic component to homosexuality,I'm afraid no one could offer you that prove at this point in time. Even in the light of a scientific discovery , I'd suspect you would probably be one of those people that would deny the scientific facts and still think that gays choose to be that way. Since you will not listen to the gay people themselves, I'm afraid we have no such hard core prove for you. Gender and sexuality are not written in stone when we are born.The sex we are born with may or may not be. Most of us are born male or female, but look at hemaprodites. Some of these childre are born with XX chromosomes and their genitalia may look mostly female.So we make this child into a little girl. We raise her like a little girl because her chromosomes tell us she is a girl. Yet, she grows up feeling like a little boy,and vise versa.Gender is a very complex issue and so is sexuality.There's much research to be done in this field of science, and I'm sure we will learn more and more as we advance.
I disagree with you in that we are animals. We belong to the animal kingdom.Homosexuality is a natural behavior exhibited by all groups of animals including man. Any behavior that man can do is natural. Unnatural are those things man cannot do. For example: it is not natural for us to fly,because we don't have wings. It is not natural for us to stay underwater for ten hours without the aid of an oxygen supply system, because our bodies are not capable.Short of things we cannot do, everything is natural. It is natural for us to do good things and bad things.That is just the nature of man. Wether or not you consider it immoral or not is a different subject.Morality is a judgement,and it has nothing to do with those things man can naturally do.



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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: isis]
    #386405 - 09/06/01 01:32 AM (21 years, 30 days ago)

The idea that homosexuality is a genetically inherited trait is homosexual propaganda. It was an idea fostered by homosexuals and endorsed by them in order to try to justify their perversion. They also reject moral coded and the Bible and organized religion in order to live with and justify their perversion.

There is no evidence that homosexuality is geneticaly related. There is also no evidence that it is not. So why do homosexuals continue to persist in saying that their 'lifestyle' is determined by their genes? Simple, so they can continue to justify their perversion to themselves and the public.

The vast majority of homosexual males (over 85%) were molested when they were children. That is one of the main ways people become homosexuals, and it's not genetic. It's also a fact.



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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: isis]
    #386501 - 09/06/01 04:19 AM (21 years, 30 days ago)

*****From what I've read, you want prove. Short of DNA evidence stating that there is a genetic component to homosexuality,I'm afraid no one could offer you that prove at this point in time. *****

CONGRATS WE HAVE A WINNER...That is my whole point. If homo's have the right to say that they were gay because of their genetics and have no proof, I have the right to say it was a choice with the same amount of proof. I was really wondering how long it would take you to come to that fact. I'm just surprised it was a homosexual who did it. Therefore all your accusations towards me are now on deaf ears..er, hands.

****Even in the light of a scientific discovery , I'd suspect you would probably be one of those people that would deny the scientific facts and still think that gays choose to be that way*****

You know what they say when you assume things......your argument falls apart. If it was done by a purely independant person or persons and i was deemed to be the mistaken one then i would have to admit my error....but i doubt i will need to worry about such an event.

****Gender and sexuality are not written in stone when we are born.****

You just got done saying that there was no proof. Which one is it then? Or do you enjoy being a living contradiction?

****but look at hemaprodites. Some of these childre are born with XX chromosomes and their genitalia may look mostly female.So we make this child into a little girl****

Apples and oranges. You are not a hemaprodite and that is a birth defect much like down's syndrome and mongloidism. It's truly sad i must agree but trying to compare it to a person of a determined sex is rediculus.

****Gender is a very complex issue and so is sexuality****

No it's not difficult to understand or even complex. However if you are gay i would see why you say such things.

****I disagree with you in that we are animals. *****

Then you'd be wrong. We have free will and a moral foundation animals do not. We have deminion over the animals. Unless you are saying that homos are animals.

****Any behavior that man can do is natural. Unnatural are those things man cannot do. For example: it is not natural for us to fly,because we don't have wings. It is not natural for us to stay underwater for ten hours without the aid of an oxygen supply system, because our bodies are not capable****

I hate to inform you but we do not fly. Airplanes do. Man invented airplanes ie: progression in human development. We don't spend 10 hours under water without the aid of oxygen. Man invented SCUBA gear...yet again human progression. Your examples are really poor because your entire argument is shot due to lack of any sort of proof and that was my intention at the begining of this argument to proove to you that you have no basis to your stance.

****It is natural for us to do good things and bad things****

True. we choose to do bad things and good things....that's my whole point. Welcome home!!!


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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #386626 - 09/06/01 07:14 AM (21 years, 30 days ago)

You are correct, in that there is no confirmed scientific evidence as of yet. I can't deny that , but I think in the future that will change. But just because we have no hard scientific facts doesn't mean we are wrong.It just means we can't give you the proof you need at this point in time. My point on natural behavior vs unnatural was just that anything man can do is natural. Maybe I did not use the best examples,but I think you understand what I mean. People use the word natural and unnatural interchanged with moral and immoral and I feel that is a mistake.We have many natural behaviors that are good and some are bad. They are all still within the nature of man.So, yes you have the right to your opinion.No, I cannot prove to you beyond the shadow of the doubt that homosexuality is inherited, because science has not proven that yet. It's good to hear that you are open to accepting scientific prove.That may not come for years to come.
Remember that there have been many things that we as people have known to be true way before science could explain it.If it's all about choice then I don't feel that a persons sexual orientation is the choice. The true choices are are between happiness and unhappiness and being true to oneself vs living a life that is a lie. Each individual has a choice in that respect. Personally, I choose to be happy and be true to myself.Sure I could marry and live with some guy,but I would not be happy. I would also still be gay.I would just be gay married woman. So heck, you may even be right here. Yes, gay people do have a choice.They can chose to be happy,or they can choose to live a great big lie and conform to societies demands. They can pretend their entire lives that they are straight. They can get married and have kids. But why?Why should they live like that? Why should anybody gay or straight live a lie? It's not only a mess up deal for the gay individual,but also for their spouse and family.To each his own. Some gay people will do as some of you wish and pretend, but that is all they are doing. Personally ,I'm not one to sacrifice my happiness to make other people comfortable.

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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: isis]
    #386649 - 09/06/01 07:39 AM (21 years, 30 days ago)

isis,

You are correct, in that there is no confirmed scientific evidence as of yet.

Why do you believe that there ever will be scientific or even anecdotal evidence supporting the claim made by homosexual organizations that the homosexual 'lifestyle' is genetically inherited?

I think in the future that will change. But just because we have no hard scientific facts doesn't mean we are wrong.It just means we can't give you the proof you need at this point in time.

You hold such a certain view on the future of geneticaly proving that that homosexual sex is genetic. So certain are you! Did Miss Cleo tell you or did you read it in a homosexual newsletter?

My point on natural behavior vs unnatural was just that anything man can do is natural. Maybe I did not use the best examples,but I think you understand what I mean. People use the word natural and unnatural interchanged with moral and immoral and I feel that is a mistake.We have many natural behaviors that are good and some are bad. They are all still within the nature of man.I'm not specifically talking about homosexuality here.

It is the natue of man to choose to do good and evil. It is the nature of man to choose these things. Aren't you talking about homosexuality among other generalities? That was my impression.

I cannot prove to you beyond the shadow of the doubt that homosexuality is inherited, because science has not proven that yet.

You can not prove it beyond saying 'It is so inherited' or 'The gay newsletter from the rainbow rights rally says so'. You can not prove it at all yet you accept homosexuality being genetically inherited as fact based soley on a baseless and irrational faith in homosexuality.

Remember that there have been many things that we as people have known to be true way before science could explain it.

I agree that science has proven many things previously unknown.

If it's all about choice then I don't feel that a persons sexual orientation is the choice. The true choices are are between happiness and unhappiness and being true to oneself vs living a life that is a lie. Each individual has a choice in that respect. Personally, I choose to be happy and be true to myself.Sure I could marry and live with some guy,but I would not be happy. I would also still be gay.I would just be gay married woman.

I have noticed he tendency in the homosexual movement as well as in the 'pro-choice' movement to replace traditional morals with athiesm and the religion of the self and self gratification. It's a truely hollow belief system that I have observed brings tremendous dissapointment and bitterness in the long run.

Take care for now, RG



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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #386671 - 09/06/01 08:10 AM (21 years, 30 days ago)

Ok Rail Gun:Prove to me that God exist and that the Bible is true. Someone please prove to me that god is real.The issue here seems to be based around morality. Morality in this cased has been based on the bible. So, prove that the basis for your judment is real.
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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #386694 - 09/06/01 08:42 AM (21 years, 30 days ago)

alright, i do know i am juvenile, I'm fresh out of high school and don't take myself very seriously, and am not expecting anyone else to, I'm glad if you found my thoughts humorous.

Now, as for your breaking down of my "foggy" ideas, I'll actually edit my post this time, if it will please you more. have you ever had a priest as a good friend? do you realize how many of them still carry on sexual affairs, and the ones who don't must have some sort of sex drive, and the ones who don't have affairs still masturbate regularly, and if they're are ones who are actually sincere enough and have the amazing willpower required not to perform in any types of sexual acts, they are rare indeed. My mother once told me the story of how she was friends with a priest. when she met him he hit on her and only backed off because she was married. And the generalization of conservatives being fat and bald was a joke, and i made that point because i doubt anyone would enjoy watching their friends have sex (unless you have some unusually hot friends). Also, how you said you enjoy watching hardcore porn with your wife, i didn't say hardcore porn terrifies you now, im saying it probably did the first time you watched it, like it does with most people, telling me i didn't read my post and then not reading it yourself is a bit hipocritical. I just brought up saying that gay sex disgusts you (and just about every other person here who posted) because you are not used to it, or choose not to, like most people do, it really didn't have much to do with the topic but lots of people brought it up, was just explaining, and i don't enjoy gay sex, i think it's just as gross as watching any man(men) when they are having sex, times 2. I don't want to go into my personal life much farther, but because i've already brought it up, i have tried being gay, it scared the shit out of me, didn't work whatsoever, i only considered it because i was sick of women, and found out i don't really have a choice if i wanted to be happy, this is not evidence that it is a choice, if someone tries alcohol does that make them an alcoholic? Why would so many teens commit suicide because they were gay(I guess i left that out, but you probably understood what i meant and enjoy pretending you don't) if they chose to be that way? most teen suicides are related to being unhappy with their sexuality, so why would they chose something that they feel they couldn't live with? And yes, i do know what a libertarian is, sorry i didn't read up on your history more. And, as i was saying about choosing to be straight being a bad choice, I would much rather not have any sex drive at all, but saying it was stupid to choose to have one was wrong i suppose. I was just referring to the hell of dating, but i guess you can forget about that all now since your married. I just don't understand how you came to the conclusion gay people are gay because they woke up one day and said "hell, why not". From my experiences with gay people, they do sincerely have a sex drive towards the same sex, and saying that a persons sex drive is a matter of choice shows how ignorant you are of human nature. Why would there be so many gay people in the closet pretending they are straight when they don't need to be gay? who would honestly want to become a pariaha, and then try so hard to cover it up? And i am not refering to the openness of homosexuality today, but how it was 60 years ago, when people still believed masturbation caused blindness and insanity. I didn't say homosexuality was inherited, i don't believe that either, but i believe it's mostly based on your environment and so on. Maybe there is some choice involved, but if there is, it would be entirely subconscious. But, i guess i am the idiot for trying to argue with you, since you are set on your opinions of everything and won't even attempt to look at it through someone elses perspective. I am willing to hear you out, but you haven't even explained your point of view in more then 1 sentence, you've been so busy flaming people and taking quotes out of context, how bout you elabirate(sp)? if you actually do have a point of view that you didn't hear from a politician that is.



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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #386704 - 09/06/01 08:58 AM (21 years, 30 days ago)

Rail Gun,

where did you get that fact about 85% of gay males were molested by men as children? now, saying that is much more believable (if it is true) then saying gays choose to be gay. Even then, i doubt it was a conscious choice, just outside factors screwing with they're developement, if your mom feeds you to much when you're to young to know any better, and you get fat, does that mean you chose to be fat? what your saying is evidence that homosexuals were "damaged" in the early stages of their developement, don't see how its their fault though.



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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: MrKurtz]
    #386844 - 09/06/01 02:31 PM (21 years, 30 days ago)

I still hold that homosexuality can be an inherited trait for some individuals.All Iam saying to innvertigo is "no, I don't have hard scientific prove for you." Don't get me wrong. I feel a gay person is gay no matter what they do. The choice that they have is wether they will live a gay life style or live a lie. I don't know who Miss Cleo is. I'm basing all my statemments from my personal experiences. Why do I think science may yet find that it may be an inherited trait, because throughout history science has proved ignorance wrong.Specially when it comes to ignorance created by the church.Look at all the individuals god believing people have persecuted,harm or  killed. Did they not cut Galileo's head off for simply stating the simple truth?The church has always thought it self to be righteous while condeming the innocent and commiting the greatest crimes against humanity in the name of God. If you  want examples of what is evil and immoral then look at the history of your own religion and you will see true evil and immorality.
I do not believe that you can offer me any scientific evidence on the existance of god.Maybe if you are an incredible theologian you will be able to offer a nice philosophical argument on the subject. In the end your Faith too will be baseless and irrational. My point is that you cannot prove your God is real. You cannot prove the book you base your morals on is  factual. I cannot prove there is a gay gene. Neither one of us can prove anything with certainty.Thus, we are simply left with what we believe.;)



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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: MrKurtz]
    #386861 - 09/06/01 03:48 PM (21 years, 30 days ago)

**** I'll actually edit my post this time, if it will please you more****
What would please me is if you'd make sense.

***have you ever had a priest as a good friend? do you realize how many of them still carry on sexual affairs, and the ones who don't must have some sort of sex drive***
I have a couple of friends that are priests. Sure they have sex drives, however they choose to control it. I know this is hard for someone at the peak of their sex drive to understand.

****and the ones who don't have affairs still masturbate regularly, and if they're are ones who are actually sincere enough and have the amazing willpower required not to perform in any types of sexual acts, they are rare indeed.****
And you have first hand knowledge of this? Your making assumptions that you can't back up. Please if you want to be taken seriously please know what you're talking about.

****My mother once told me the story of how she was friends with a priest. when she met him he hit on her and only backed off because she was married****
Yeah right...nice try

****telling me i didn't read my post and then not reading it yourself is a bit hipocritical****
go back again and read it....and hypocritical is not the correct word even if you were right

****Why would so many teens commit suicide because they were gay(I guess i left that out, but you probably understood what i meant and enjoy pretending you don't)****
i'm stating that the rate of suicide amongst the gay community is no more common than that of the strait community. I was pretending that you had some knowledge of this

****most teen suicides are related to being unhappy with their sexuality****
where do you come up with these ridiculas claims? Most Teen suicides are more closely related to depression of non-acceptance or not fitting in. Remember i was a teen once.

****i do know what a libertarian is, sorry i didn't read up on your history more****
That's what you get when you assume

****And, as i was saying about choosing to be straight being a bad choice****
i thought you origanaly said it wasn't a choice? Now your off the board entirely

****From my experiences with gay people, they do sincerely have a sex drive towards the same sex****
i'm sure they do but i still stand by my claim that it's a choice until i am proven wrong. If i am i will recant my stance

****and saying that a persons sex drive is a matter of choice shows how ignorant you are of human nature****
How so? Human nature is to be fruitful and multiply, to carry on the blood line ie: biological clock. Can gays multiply? Sounds to me the ignorance is in your court

****Why would there be so many gay people in the closet pretending they are straight when they don't need to be gay? ****
i woul'd know i'm not gay. If i had to take a guess i would have to say they feel it's a perversion they are asshamed of.

****but how it was 60 years ago****
this is today and a 60 year-old observation is irrelevant

****I didn't say homosexuality was inherited, i don't believe that either, but i believe it's mostly based on your environment and so on****
so you're saying that it's not inherited and it's not a choice. Now you're really contridicting yourself

****Maybe there is some choice involved, but if there is, it would be entirely subconscious.*****
ok now do you promise to stick with this stance. This stance i can see more than any other that you have brought forth

****i guess i am the idiot for trying to argue with you, since you are set on your opinions of everything and won't even attempt to look at it through someone elses perspective****
I would look at it through your perspective if it didn't change every sentance...do you find it noble to compromise your beliefs? I don't when there is nothing to prove me wrong.

****I am willing to hear you out, but you haven't even explained your point of view in more then 1 sentence, you've been so busy flaming people and taking quotes out of context, how bout you elabirate(sp)? if you actually do have a point of view that you didn't hear from a politician that is.****
All you have to do is ask. As far as i see it you got personal at me first, but i can take it. As far as my stance goes i have explained that like 10 times in this thread but if you don't accept it then that's your problem.
I try to look at your point of view but you ramble on and on and say nothing.

Relax, Relax, Relax.....it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more AARRGGHHH!!!! but you may feel a little sick.....


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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: Innvertigo]
    #389065 - 09/09/01 08:37 AM (21 years, 27 days ago)

i dont think i ever once said that homosexuality was inherited. i said it just wasn't a choice. i did get personal at first, and i'm sorry for that. and the story about my mother, is true, but hell, don't believe it if you want. also, you never did elabirate on your beliefs on homosexuality, you simply said it was a choice. that can mean quite a few things, like, do you honestly think people just wake up one day and say "what the hell, i'll be gay for the rest of my life", or do you believe its more complex then that?

"And you have first hand knowledge of this? Your making assumptions that you can't back up. Please if you want to be taken seriously please know what you're talking about. "

and you have firsthand knowledge that they don't? from what i know of human nature, i would bet that just about everyone performs in some sexual acts from time to time.

"i'm stating that the rate of suicide amongst the gay community is no more common than that of the strait community. I was pretending that you had some knowledge of this"

from the latest statistics i have read, you are right, most teens commit suicide cause they're not fitting in, and thats mostly because they have found (or think) they are gay.

"That's what you get when you assume"

hmm, and you haven't made any assumptions at all? i never once said that homosexuality was inherited, i just said it wasn't a choice. you've done a bit of assuming yourself.

"go back again and read it....and hypocritical is not the correct word even if you were right"

well, you said i should "read my post" when i stated the same comment twice. i said you were being hypocritcal because you didn't even seem to understand the point i was trying to state, that the first time you saw hardcore porn was probably a frightening/disgusting affair. you went on to say you enjoy watching porn with your wife, and i'm assuming everytime you watch it with your wife isn't the first time? so, hypocritical would be the right word, because you didn't read the post correctly in the first place and then claim i didn't read my post.

"How so? Human nature is to be fruitful and multiply, to carry on the blood line ie: biological clock. Can gays multiply? Sounds to me the ignorance is in your court"

well, its also human nature to be a social animal. why then would someone choose to be a recluse(sp)? i myself often prefer to be alone then to be in the company of others, it wasn't a choice, i just sometimes feel anxious when i'm with other people. if you consider that being a choice (it may be a psychological thing, i never really looked into it cause it doesn't bother me) then i might agree with you on your stance with homosexuality.

"so you're saying that it's not inherited and it's not a choice. Now you're really contridicting yourself"

its not black and white. there is a gray area in there. some people are more likely to become alcoholics, but no one is born an alcoholic. this might not be the best comparison, because it requires the choice to start drinking, but i don't think anyone wants to be an alcoholic, some can drink alot and never develop a dependancy, while others can't avoid it.

"I would look at it through your perspective if it didn't change every sentance...do you find it noble to compromise your beliefs? I don't when there is nothing to prove me wrong."

well, i still consider myself young, so my beliefs are flexible. but, i don't see where my stance changes throughout my post? maybe you just misunderstood me from the beginning, i never said that homosexuality is an inherited trait (although i think they're may be a "prone to homosexuality trait, heh"), in that case, i'm sorry if i didn't make myself clearer. as for finding it noble to compromise my beliefs... i don't have any beliefs i have that i hold with rockhard faith, i really don't care if they change, until i find something i really believe in. but, if you understood me from the beginning i don't think i changed my stance once.

"I try to look at your point of view but you ramble on and on and say nothing."

heh, that might be true, i only really post when i've been hit by serious insomnia, and people tend to ramble when they're in that state of mind.

I didn't mean to come off as hostile, sorry if i did, i don't see any reason in posting on this board if i'm just going to fight all the time, i don't know about anybody else, but fighting isn't my idea of a good time.




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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: MrKurtz]
    #389081 - 09/09/01 08:55 AM (21 years, 27 days ago)

I don't care about Gay people except when they make big deals about stuff, like when gay rights say stuff about movies that have some gay guy in it or something. Just shut up and take it like a man... or woman. I personally like gay people cause that just means less babies and less people, i tink we need more of them! It's when they start being bi and giving girls AIDS, then it's a pain in the ass, and before I get flammed, everyone knows there is a much higher amount of aids cases in Gays than in any other, Isis are u ugly or something? did guys not think ur attractive? cause i have noticed this in lesbians, i'm being serious. Alot have built up a hatred for men simply becuase they were hurt by them.

first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

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Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

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Re: For all U Clinton Lovers [Re: sir_shroom_alot]
    #389097 - 09/09/01 09:12 AM (21 years, 27 days ago)

"I don't care about Gay people except when they make big deals about stuff, like when gay rights say stuff about movies that have some gay guy in it or something. Just shut up and take it like a man... or woman"

these are the "gay movement groups" who make these claims, not gay people. surprisingly, they often hold very different beliefs.

"It's when they start being bi and giving girls AIDS, then it's a pain in the ass, and before I get flammed, everyone knows there is a much higher amount of aids cases in Gays than in any other"

although it is much more common for gay men to have AIDs, and much easier for them to get AIDs, its nearly impossible for lesbians to get AIDs (after all, most of they're sex involves tools).

You don't seem to know alot about gay people, and hell, you like women don't you? why's it so hard to understand other women don't? : )



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