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Shrooms make you Schizoid?
    #348464 - 06/25/01 09:04 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

This is something I was discussing with someone recently, this person said the following in regards to taking mushrooms:

"Schizoid. It can and it will during a bad trip, no matter the dosage or the quantity of use. It could happen to anybody from an inexperience user to an experienced one. The level of instensity varies from mild to psychotic.

There are various archtypes to schizoprenia, and people tripping bad on mush exhibits similar symptons of those archtypes.

1. Paranoid of people
2. Delusional, having unrealistic fantasies
3. Acute panic, acute anxiety
4. Unreasonable fear of dying
5. Depression

Basically, the person's dopamine system is WAY over active, the main culprit for all these symptons."


So is there any truth to this, I've been under the impression this is either not possible or incredibly rare.



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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Thor]
    #348497 - 06/25/01 10:26 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well, yes. On a bad trip people will experience symptoms like paraniod schizophrenia, but this will go away as the trip wears off. However shrooms can trigger schizophrenia or an underlying mental disease, even with a good trip. I don't think its the dopamine that would cause these symptoms, but probally an excess of seratonin, because of its similarity to psilocin.

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: PotSmokinHippie]
    #348502 - 06/25/01 10:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Generally if your a mentally healthy person, you've got virtually no chance of developing a mental disease from taking mushrooms. However, if your mad, it'll make you madder.



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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Rainbow]
    #348508 - 06/25/01 10:47 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

hehheh
back in the 60s/70s, there was a comparison: a paranoid schizophrenic sees the universe conspiring to harm him; an acid head sees the universe conpiring to help him...
YMMV



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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: gnrm23]
    #348620 - 06/25/01 02:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

gnrm: you are right on once again....

Thor: Actually I have heard about this happening. Moreover, I have FELT it happening. I can imagine very clearly a personality shattering experience that leaves someone clinically insane. And it sure as hell can be done deliberately if you know what you are doing. Envision yourself tripping with cannibal Lektor (sp?) and you'll know what I am talking about. (Now-now, stop envisioning that, I was just kidding.... stop crying, noone's trying to eat you... damn... )

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Thor]
    #348671 - 06/25/01 04:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The way I understand it...you can go permanently schitzo while on shrooms/LSD only if you already have an underlying problem with schitzophrenia.

I do agree, though, that anyone can experience schitzo-like symptoms while tripping. The way I see it, a "trip" is really just a drug-induced, short-term case of schitzophrenia. I actually was just involved in a study on schitzophrenia as a control subject (they gave me an MRI and compared my brain to that of a schitzo with similar background). I was asked if I had taken LSD or psilosybe mushrooms before, because there were some worries about the drugs affecting the MRI pictures - possible giving false signs of schitzophrenia. Anyway, I don't know where I'm going with that, except as a point that there are some correllations between a "trip" and actual schitzophrenia.

As for that dopamine thing....I don't think that's the case. Don't hold me to that statement....but I'm pretty sure on this one. I think I read somewhere that the reason most hallucinogens are not addictive is because of their total lack of activity at dopamine receptors.

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Thor]
    #348789 - 06/25/01 07:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well, an individual experiencing a bum ride will definitely experience some of those symptoms. Though, just like PotSmokinHippie stated, these symptoms go away after the trip is over and done with.

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Hydro]
    #348794 - 06/25/01 07:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

trendal sayd all..
i've found that cocaine and heroin abuser go skizoid when do psychedelics, especially mushrooms...

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: CLuB99]
    #349577 - 06/26/01 10:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

that happened to me once thor, just not permanently, 1996 ate a few red tim learys with the skull and crossbones with a few of my chick friends. I go over to this girls house and all of the sudden I am lying on the ground and one is straddling me and the other one is pulling my arms saying "Do you want some candy?'' I jumped up and ran all the way to a friends house, oh yeah that same day we were gonna smoke some bammer and I was frying too hard to de seed the pot, so I handed it to one of the girls and asked her to do it, she packs up the pipe and it was all stems and seeds and I started shouting "you stupid bitch why did you pack a bowl of seeds and stems'' and threw the pipe back to her, then she handed it back to me and it was de seeded......
yeah I also found out what candy was and was pissed that I left and did not eat their candy
after that I vowed never to smoke shit weed anymore

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Morphrying]
    #349731 - 06/27/01 02:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I truely believe that people who are insane or crazy are just people who are really smart and figure to much out, so they begin to go into there own world of thinking. The mind is a very powerful thing.

Here's a question to ask yourself...

Do you control your mind, or does your mind control you?

I wont answer this right away. Ill let you, the people descide.



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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Mastaba]
    #349782 - 06/27/01 05:00 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

you cant seperate yourself from your mind




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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Mastaba]
    #349872 - 06/27/01 09:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, are you implying that you are not the mind? And what the hell is "control"?

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: gribochek]
    #350079 - 06/27/01 03:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

When you are under the influence of psychedelic drugs you are basically a schizophrenic. People have different reactions to them...Some people will act "hebephrenic" some "catatonic" some "paranoid". The chemistry of your brain under the influence of psychedelics and the chemistry of schizo's is basically the same. But one thing I want to debunk is schizo's have an excess of both dopamine and serotonin. When you are under the influence of a psychedelic drug you have excess serotonin only, not dopamine. That is what ecstacy is, and why it is so habit forming. You get the "schizo" effects of a psychedelic, with the feel good dopamine effects of speed. Nobody with family history of schizophrenia or any bipolar disorder should use psychedelic drugs, they can set it off - and that would suck.



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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Thor]
    #350084 - 06/27/01 03:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well in the past i've been jumped and one time when i did shrooms and i was laying in my bed with my eyes closed i started getting thoughts of people trying to rob me and people trying to start shit with me.. but i simply opend my eyes and it was gone... while it was happening it was scary but i didnt go insane from it or anything...



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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: conphormant]
    #350087 - 06/27/01 03:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Damn, my brother and father have some kind of mental disorder, no really sure what. My father is accessive compulsive(and who knows what else), and my brother is depresive, bipolar something like that. Also, both of my grand fathers have had alzheimers.... Looks kind of crappy for me.




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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Thor]
    #350164 - 06/27/01 05:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It is not the same thing--> Just simmilar.
Remember that shizos have phisiological changes in brain too. It is not just chemistry. Second thing is schisophrenia is bad in real life because it lasts forever. I would never choose to be on shrooms all the time. I could not connect anything.
But to see what schizos think (positive things); it is nothing bad. As title said they stay doors of perception

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Thor]
    #350180 - 06/27/01 05:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Last night i was burning out in my room playin my gameboy and it was all good, then i layed down and all of the sudden started to feel fear and my stomach got feeling active(like i was nervous). It was damn scary so i turned my light on and played some mo gameboy and it would go away and then come back and so on....eventually i tried layin down again and was able to pass out...im scared i got some kind of mental disease...any imput is very appreciated =D

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: BeeBoi]
    #350249 - 06/27/01 07:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Buy playstation 2. you wont have time to think about gut feelings :)

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Mastaba]
    #350256 - 06/27/01 07:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

> Do you control your mind, or does your mind control you?

You are your mind, as your mind is you. Your mind is your entire world. It is what you make of it, and you have that control. You control your world.

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Re: Shrooms make you Schizoid? [Re: Hydro]
    #350260 - 06/27/01 07:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

In reply to:

You are your mind, as your mind is you. Your mind is your entire world. It is what you make of it, and you have that control. You control your world.




i like the way you put that Hydro, it is so true.

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