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What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition???
    #3484578 - 12/12/04 01:34 AM (12 years, 9 hours ago)

So? Whats the best way to get pot legalized? I'm tired of this bullshit. Seriously...Is it the medical marijuana route, stragiht up legalization, hemp?????

I'm all for medical marijuana but I think it is a political dead-end. Even if we got the feds to nationally reconize cannibus for its medical features I don't feel that will ever translate into an end of prohibition...after all we can't walk down to AL's liquor store and pick up some lortabs can we? It does serve a purpose to show the intolerance of the DEA & WOD when they raid some cancer patient's grow-op though.

We need to push for straight up legalization on the state level. This is the only way its gonna happen in our lifetime. Alaska had a good thing going this election and I think it will gain momentum. If a state legalizes it in defiance of the fed government it'll be a like dominoes. It'll likely happen in Nevada, Alaska, or Cali. Not sure about other progressive states that have propositions though (i think it'd have a chance in Wash or MN or Maine, VT, NH but I'm not sure if they got propostions availible on the ballot or not...any others?)

The key to pushing a measure for ending prohibition is the tax money. If it gets painted as something that will allow police to focus on criminals, pay for roads, schools, and the community through taxes its will turn the squares into voting for it or at least not voting against it..

I'm interested in this because I wanna start up a cafe/coffee shop the day the first state legalizes it. I'll pack my shit and drive where I need to go and become the first shop open.

Anybody from Alaska? How did it go as far as TV commercials for and against? What did each viewpoint seem to be pushing?

What do you guys think? How we gonna get this to end?


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3484595 - 12/12/04 01:38 AM (12 years, 9 hours ago)

If we knew how to get pot legalized, it would be legal.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3484672 - 12/12/04 01:53 AM (12 years, 9 hours ago)

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If we knew how to get pot legalized, it would be legal.




That kind of shitty attitude is why it is still illegal. Its your government do something with it.

People have to move out of idealism and into action. Same reason the 60's was one big fraud becase 3/4 the people involved became corporate, suburban, whores. What they spoke out against in ther 20's they now support in there 50's. How many times have you heard the line "I grew up in the 60s so I know this and that..."

Idealism gets nobody nowhere. Its time to act. That why people have to figure out out how to beat our facist government. Not complain about it.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3484702 - 12/12/04 01:59 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

What makes you think I haven't done anything about it? I've written letters to my senators, I've protested, I've donated to pro-legalization causes. Short of armed revolution, I don't see what more I can do at the moment.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3484719 - 12/12/04 02:03 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

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Short of armed revolution, I don't see what more I can do at the moment.




grab yer guns and fight for the cause. seems its one of the only ways to get through their thick skulls. that and money. and i dont see people not paying taxes and bills....revolution will come first....bet you anything.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3484730 - 12/12/04 02:06 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

It's gonna be along, slow process, man. Think of all the people already in jail for non-violent marijuana offenses. Can't just say "Oops, we fucked up and ruined half of your life.... but hey! It's legal now!"
And all the corporations that will stand to lose millions from the use of hemp as an energy source, and for clothing, food, paper, and everything else it can be used for. And to get the government to admit that it has been distorting and supressing information in the name of the War on Some Drugs is not likely.
We're supporting the movement. We're doing our part. We're trying. We can only do so much, with what little we have, against a government that won't listen to it's people, the facts, what's morally right, or the Constitution.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3484731 - 12/12/04 02:06 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

Fair enough, Its just that the more I get involved with this the more I run into people who complain but don't act. Its like for every 1 person that does anything there is 35 people who just piss and moan. You get those people to do somethign and the problem is solved. It gets on my nerves b/c it could be legalized tomarrow it everybody actually did something.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: DNKYD]
    #3484757 - 12/12/04 02:12 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

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And all the corporations that will stand to lose millions from the use of hemp as an energy source, and for clothing, food, paper, and everything else it can be used for. And to get the government to admit that it has been distorting and supressing information in the name of the War on Some Drugs is not likely.




Thats why it needs to become tied in with another issue, like state's rights. I came pretty close in Alaska and I think within a few elections (a decade or so?) we'll see a state defy the feds. Thats the key. It'll never happen on a federal level. Hell, maybe a city or county could start the thing by declaring "we are tired of spending our money on pot legislation so it won't be enforced. If the feds want to do it on their dollar fine." It's gotta start locally.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3484768 - 12/12/04 02:16 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

They should try in California or Oregon what they tried in Alaska, as legalization would probably have a better chances of passing there

Once one state votes yes on it, there will a drastic shift hopefully, because it means the laws are going against the majority's will there


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: Ravus]
    #3484779 - 12/12/04 02:20 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

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They should try in California or Oregon what they tried in Alaska, as legalization would probably have a better chances of passing there



Decriminalization passed here in California, but I think we've still got a long road ahead of us towards legalization.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3484792 - 12/12/04 02:24 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

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Short of armed revolution, I don't see what more I can do at the moment.




grab yer guns and fight for the cause.  seems its one of the only ways to get through their thick skulls.  that and money.  and i dont see people not paying taxes and bills....revolution will come first....bet you anything.




Grab your guns? I hope you're joking. Do NORML a favor and quit smoking pot. :tongue2:


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3484796 - 12/12/04 02:25 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

yeah, in eureka a DEA agent can't get a hotel room I've heard. But I think its likely to happen in a smaller state like Wash or VT or WS or NV or something before CA.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3484814 - 12/12/04 02:32 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

Wasn't Alaska trying for legalization, and had 40 something percent voting for it?

It doesn't seem that long of a road in that vote, and that's just Alaska. I'd think California, Oregon, some other states, would have a better chance voting towards legalization than Alaska

What we should do about this prohibition is be like a river. We cannot put out the fire with our range, as it has spread too far, but it consumes its materials quickly, and soon it will die out and we will overrun it. The younger generations seem to be more and more free towards drugs, just have patience, and always try to get others to work with you to end prohibition. Donate to NORML, MPP and MAPS, go out and vote, try to get your opinions published online and in newspapers, direct people with false information on drugs to Erowid, and just spread knowledge and try to show others that the War on Drugs is harmful to society as a whole

The Drug War cannot go on forever. It consumes tens of billions of dollars annually, and puts many otherwise innocent people in jail. More people will realize this as time goes on.

Once Canada legalizes marijuana, that will help influence the U.S. too hopefully


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: Ravus]
    #3484828 - 12/12/04 02:35 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

California's not as liberal as you might think. Sure, there's the Bay Area and a few liberal metropolitan areas, but then you've got Orange County, San Diego, and a bunch of other conservative areas in the south.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3484837 - 12/12/04 02:39 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

:grin: 

farck no im not joking.  people will get good and pissed and storm teh white house before they stop paying taxes.  ill bet you 100000 imaginary internet dollars.  seriously i think thats whats gonna happen.  i personalyl want a revolution, voting aint doing much.  but thats another, opinionated, topic all together.  so ill shut my trap now.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #3484842 - 12/12/04 02:40 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

before the RAVE act..i would have suggested some activism similar to the gay/lesbian rights movement...but now its too late..and remember..we had decades to take advantage of that freedom before it was revoked..but we waited too long...


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3484851 - 12/12/04 02:43 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

I realize that California isn't all liberal. But all you need is the majority voting to be liberal, and it seems that California would have a better chance (and more liberals) than Alaska, even though all states have conservatives. If not California, perhaps Oregon, perhaps Hawaii or Washington. It doesn't matter, if any one state can get it passed that'll be a huge step forward


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3484879 - 12/12/04 02:52 AM (12 years, 8 hours ago)

breaking a law or few is a small price to pay for getting your freedoms back. is it not?

its all about numbers, nothing more nothing less. get teh population and you can get anythign out of them.


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Re: What the hell are we going to do about this prohibition??? [Re: Hendostan]
    #3485536 - 12/12/04 10:51 AM (12 years, 2 minutes ago)

The Supreme Court is currently deliberating over the issue of whether federal marijuana laws make moot any state permission for people who grow their own dope for their own personal medical use. They have already held previously that suppliers are susceptible to federal prosecution regardless of any particular state's laws. More than anything else, this is a state's rights issue. And from what I have heard, it did not go well.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/29/scotus.medical.marijuana.ap/


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