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Grow chamber idea
    #3483297 - 12/11/04 09:33 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

aloha dudes and dudettes. here's my idea for a grow chamber:

what yall think?


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3483316 - 12/11/04 09:36 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

one possible problem would be that the fan would suck out your humidity, maybe i dont know though. i would put the fan on the bottom because co2 is heavier then oxygen. and i would be willing to bet thats a tropic aire bubbler you have, huh?


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3483339 - 12/11/04 09:41 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Looks like a Bong with a filter stuck in the bowl to me. You would need some kind of a pump that can deliver air under pressure. The fan wouldn't suck any air through the water.


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3483349 - 12/11/04 09:43 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

If the fan runs continually it will remove the rh.Put it on a timer.
Also keep it at the top.Helps rh.Moving the air inside will take care of co2.

You need to do so more studing.Beat your already reading.

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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: MycoChode]
    #3483357 - 12/11/04 09:44 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

it looks like he has an air pump to me. and if you read my post wrong i was talking about the humidity being sucked out, not the water out of the bottle. oh yeah vertigo if its not manufactured then you need an bubble stone so it will make little bubble that turn into your humidity. but if its the troic air like i believe then you are good.


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3483370 - 12/11/04 09:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

hey kapt kid was it me you said that need sto do so much more studying?


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3483381 - 12/11/04 09:52 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Welcome aboard ........
If I remeber correctly ....?????
c02 is heavier than air , so it will settle to the bottom of the chamber .
So the outgoing(c02 rich) air should be sucked from the bottom , and the new , filtered , humid air should come in from the top .
Just a thought  :cool:
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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3483388 - 12/11/04 09:53 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

NO
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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: KaptKid]
    #3483396 - 12/11/04 09:54 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

sorry, it was hard to determine that.


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3483527 - 12/11/04 10:25 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

thanx for the replies.
right now all i have is an idea.
i haven't grown anything yet but I'm saving up some cash to start my first project. in the meantime i was reading some articles which inspired this...
the aim was to combine fresh air and humidity to make it a little less maintenance intensive then with the fanning and stuff...
it would be especially nice to have a way to do it so i never have to open the box as I'm a little paranoid about contams...

as for a pump maybe i could reverse engineer one of them aquarium air bubble pumps...
i forgot to draw it but I'm thinking of including an aquarium heater in the bong part...


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3483606 - 12/11/04 10:42 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i updated my sketch:


this way i cold tweak the humidity with the fans and valve...
i think ill use both a timer and also regulate the fan speed.
is the heat situation ok here or should i place the bong part inside the box?




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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3483772 - 12/11/04 11:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3485604 - 12/12/04 11:33 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I use something similar to this for my terrariums. Minus the filters, since my plants can handle unfiltered air.

The hole before the fan just has a hepa filter taped/wraped around the tube, over a 1/4 - 1/2 hole/holes.

The top to the "T" has large holes covered with a coffie filter, since this is the exhaust only. Uncovered will make it about 95% exhaust instead of 5%, and would possibly allow contams to fall in.

The bottom to the "T" has small uncovered holes, which allows a little pressure to build, and disturb the air. (CO2 will NOT stay on the bottom in this setup, however, most will still be there.)

This should get rid of CO2 and count as your FANNING stage, which you should not have to do now.

When testing flow, there should be enough air passing through the small holes to move, not throw, table salt across a mirror, in an open air room. If your fan is TOO powerful, you should connect a hose below the (Single Hepa filtered intake), and attach it to the other side of the fan, at an = distance), this will allow more recirculation.) Otherwise you need to buy/make a fan speed controller, which will eventually kill your fan.



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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3485616 - 12/12/04 11:37 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Vertigo6911 said:
i updated my sketch:


this way i cold tweak the humidity with the fans and valve...
i think ill use both a timer and also regulate the fan speed.
is the heat situation ok here or should i place the bong part inside the box?







This aint gonna work the way you want it too. Humidity wont be kept up. Have you seen the Poor Mans Pod yet? You really cant get much better for a pod..


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3485629 - 12/12/04 11:43 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly, this has been done and the PMP poormans pod is the way.

Or double tub.


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3485657 - 12/12/04 11:58 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

My exact setup, minus the filter parts...

Looks like this...

The addition of a smaller diameter tube, branches across the fan path, with a damper limiting tank exposure. With the damper closed, air just continues to recirculate, about 99% while still filtering about 1%.



Humidity loss would be almost nothing, since this mostly recirculates, as opposed to exchanges, the air in the tank. The only thing that I have against the poor-mans pod, is that it will not get the co2 out, unless you have holes at the bottom, which is also where all the moisture is. (Yet, I have not tried the poor-mans pod, so i am not sure of that. Nor am I sure of it's ability to keep regulated humidity, without adding water every few days... bottled water is expensive... LOL)

This was just an idea... (Would be better for large operations, where the poor-mans setup would fail.) Those pumps drain a lot of power and are noisy buggers, sounds like you have a hundred vibrators running!


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3485676 - 12/12/04 12:08 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i like the poor mans pod but i think its a little bit to maintenace intesive with having to fan them dayly n all...

how about this:


the fan on the pipe will cool it so that the water condenses in the pipe and flows back into the tub.
this way im hoping to never have to open the box...


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #3485681 - 12/12/04 12:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The poor man's pod requires no maintenance at all.

I also believe that the PMP will exchange air and rid itself of CO2 even without the holes at the bottom because the incoming air current will cause the gases to diffuse and exit out the top.


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3485685 - 12/12/04 12:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I also use this same setup for water control, pumps hate being restricted, they overheat, drain twice as much power, and die with traditional methods... Refering to those cool mini pumps, just T the OUT connection and put half the water back to the suction end, then your pump will run cooler, longer, and not die after a year. (I just pinch the water tubes on either end so I get eather more flow or less flow, depending which one I crimp.)


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Re: Grow chamber idea [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3485693 - 12/12/04 12:14 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Why do all of your drawings look like bongs? Are you smoking the mushrooms in there? Kidding!

I don't get how that works, you have two fans that apear to be recirculating the air in your room, adding contamination into that tube?


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