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 *HeGz*
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 Rye Berry Question   1
#347459 - 06/23/01 03:02 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I'm using rye berries in 1/2 pint jars, how much water should I put in the jars before placing in pressure cooker? Thanks!
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#347461 - 06/23/01 03:05 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sup HeGz?
Why would you want to put rye berries in 1/2 pint jars? Go with quart jars. you would use a 1:1 ratio from what I have been told.
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: *HeGz*] 1
#347506 - 06/23/01 05:06 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here are some of my observations with rye berries in QUART jars. Adjust as needed. Oss & Oeric said 160 ml rye to 130 ml water. I found this to be too dry. Then I found another source that said 200 ml rye:350 ml water. Too much! The rye was very difficult to shake; it was a big sticky clump. Then I backed down to 200 ml rye:300 ml water. This one worked pretty well. I think I saw elsewhere on the board that Anno said a 1:1 ratio.
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: *HeGz*] 2
#347523 - 06/23/01 05:31 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rye berries 1 cup : water 2/3 - 3/4 cup. I tend to use closer to 3/4 cup water. Pressure cook at 15 psi for a full 1 hour. I don't soak them overnight because I tend to get exploded berries after cooking presoaked berries, and I hate adding lime. Rye grass seed I soak overnight before pressure cooking.
This is for QUART JARS!!!!
Edited by Teonan on 06/23/01 07:32 PM.
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Anno
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: ] 1
#347590 - 06/23/01 07:47 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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> Anno said a 1:1 ratio.
Anno actually said rye/water = 10/11, but at least 1:1.
Ratios in weight.
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: Anno] 1
#347621 - 06/23/01 09:17 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry for misquoting you there... I should have gone back and checked.
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: zetek] 1
#347799 - 06/24/01 08:02 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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we use always use a 1:1 ratio by volume, so 1 cup of rye combined with 1 cup of water. No exploded kernels, easy shakable and as much moisture as you can get in without turning the substrate into an unshakable clump.
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: *HeGz*] 1
#347900 - 06/24/01 12:05 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ive got a question, somebody said you can go to a feed store like one that sells livestock feed in 50# sacks and get rye berries. Has anybody ever actually gotten them from there? Another thing is i kinda doubt that the feed store near us would have them in stock but might be able to order them, but the people that run the store are the type that has to know everything and would prolly ask me what i needed the rye for. Any ideas for a logical excuse? Thanks and take care.
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: AtticMonkey] 1
#347960 - 06/24/01 02:22 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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We buy our rye from a feed store, it sells ridicilously cheap, about US$ 5 for 25 kilograms. Organically grown rye is just sooooo expensive, and we have never noticed any difference between them.
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#347966 - 06/24/01 02:30 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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psylo330
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I find that when U put the water + the rye directly in the jar and cook, U get all dry rye at the top and all slogy rye at the bottom. Just cook the rye for 30-45 min until it's neerly tender, and sterilise for 30-60 min.
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: psylo330] 1
#349845 - 06/27/01 06:32 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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cool holidays on Mars. Should have send U guyz a postcard...
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: psylo330] 1
#349925 - 06/27/01 09:51 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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>I find that when U put the water + the rye directly in the jar
>and cook, U get all dry rye at the top and all slogy rye at the bottom.
Doesn?t happen if you shake the jar imediately after pressure cooking.
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: Anno] 1
#349976 - 06/27/01 11:25 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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uhmm...If U say so...
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: psylo330] 1
#350056 - 06/27/01 01:08 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anno is right, shake the jars while they are still hot and don't use more water than in an 1:1 ratio (by volume).
Preboiling is ok, but a pain in the *ss when you have to do a great number of jars  .
Dry rye and water are much more easier to work with than sticky boiled rye.
looks ok to me, no clumping, just a perfect substrate!
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: Anno] 1
#350162 - 06/27/01 03:12 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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how much do you need to shake them, I've just been using less water...
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: stu2] 1
#350195 - 06/27/01 04:13 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Until you get individual kernels.
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: Anno] 1
#350255 - 06/27/01 05:41 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anno, the rye berries I just got are individual kernels are these the right ones? Should I treat them the same as stated above in this post?
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#350269 - 06/27/01 05:56 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: McMan] 1
#350505 - 06/28/01 01:31 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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A simpler way of determining a correct content is to make a test batch with different amounts of water:
100g rye and
105
110
115
120
125 g water.
Skake imediately after pressure cooking,
set aside for 2 days.
The jar, in which the berries are not wet but have a moist appearance, is the one with the correct ratio.
There also shouldn?t be many exploded kernels, (perhaps 2% at most).
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#350720 - 06/28/01 11:02 AM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: McMan]
#350771 - 06/28/01 12:01 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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The grain quality in terms of the achivable moisture content varies greatly.
As you can see, Una uses 100g rye and 130 g water.
I tried this once with my rye, it gave me a unshakeable gunk of exploded kernels.
A test batch is a must at the start with a new grain, even if you get a new bag of the supposedly same grain it pays off.
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#350785 - 06/28/01 12:23 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: McMan]
#350834 - 06/28/01 02:04 PM (23 years, 2 months ago) |
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living here in California and being very dry. humidity levels here in the Bay Area are around 30-40% which is very dry. All my quart jars are filled with 1.5 cups of rye grain and 1.5 cups of water. They are pressure cooked for 1 hour and taken out and shaken to distribute and mix the top dry grain with the moist wet grain on the bottom. I am using Micron Magick filters. Being in a climate of 30-40% humidity, I found it necessary to put my jars in a humidity chamber. My jars are doing quite well. =D
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 Re: Rye Berry Question [Re: Una]
#1196606 - 01/07/03 02:36 AM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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For 1liltre jars i use 1 cup rye 3/4 cup spring water or distilled pH is a major factor!
Then i use 10ml of hydrogen peroxide when jars have cooled ( that's pressure cooked for 1 hour @ 15 psi) The 10ml hp is for 8oz grain use 20ml for 16oz.
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#1196658 - 01/07/03 02:59 AM (21 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude that post is almost 2 years old!
I think they learned how to do Rye Grain by now!
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