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 Alan Stone
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 Re: To those who believe in Mystical Healings  [Re: Swami]
#3471134 - 12/09/04 02:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You reference absolutely no reasoning to base your statement on. A flat declaration carries no weight.
Besides suicide (which will kill you before your maximum age without doubt), I speak from personal experience. I've seen several elderly people die faster (within the next year) because their spouse had died and they felt like they had nothing left to live for.
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You take issue with my statement about ad hoc reasoning and here it rears it's ugly head AGAIN.
It wasn't ad hoc reasoning the first time. Now it was, because I didn't provide anything to back it up on. Fixed now.
On the maximum age being 150-160... if no single human has been proven to live that long, something must be influencing the rate at which our cells slow down.
Perhaps one or more of these might have something to do with it: a literally sedentary lifestyle for some; not enough clean, fresh air; not enough sunlight or too much; dietary issues (lack of Cesium for one if I'm not mistaken, excess/lack of minerals or vitamins, hormones and antibiotics in our meat); stress; fabric softeners and other pollution in our drinking water; EM radiation caused by cell phones, electricity pylons and electrical devices; smoking; drugs; cosmetic products; genetic defects; etc.
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Re: To those who believe in Mystical Healings [Re: Swami]
#3471177 - 12/09/04 02:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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The MAXIMUM age for a species is not how long cell division can go on for, it is the maximum recorded age of a member of that species.
Right now, the maximum human age is estimated at around 120-130, based on the ages of the oldest humans on record.
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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
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Re: To those who believe in Mystical Healings [Re: Alan Stone]
#3471261 - 12/09/04 03:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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And who knows, perhaps placebo or psychosomatic effects can have an effect on disease prevention?
Perhaps. It's an odd proposal though. You'd have to set up an organization to intentionally deceive people into good health.
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Re: To those who believe in Mystical Healings [Re: trendal]
#3471269 - 12/09/04 03:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did you the word "theoretical" not appear on your screen as it did mine? Even humans that live to 120 are unlikely to have done everything possible for optimum life-span.
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Alan Stone
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Re: To those who believe in Mystical Healings [Re: Phluck]
#3471411 - 12/09/04 03:33 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perhaps. It's an odd proposal though. You'd have to set up an organization to intentionally deceive people into good health.
I have an even more unusual proposal. I propose that organisation only have members that believe what they're doing has a real supernatural effect. If you don't know you're lying, you can't be exposed as a liar. However, those members should encourage patients to try every path to a cure, not to rely on their treatment alone.
I would argue those organisations are already in place (look at the title of this thread for a hint). People like Benny Hinn (sp?) live off of people willing to believe, though in his case the long-term effects are detrimental.
The trick lies in making it either harmless but preferrably beneficial for those undergoing the treatment.
The emphasis should be on an inclusive pratice of medicine, not on an elitist (based on stances of allopathic doctors' associations here in Belgium towards other healing practices) , exclusive application.
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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BanJankri
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Re: To those who believe in Mystical Healings [Re: Swami]
#3473332 - 12/09/04 09:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I advise you read the island by huxley swami if you havent to this date.
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Just let everything flow, just flow right to the center of everything. You gotta turn off your mind and relax, and then just float downstream...
Edited by BanJankri (12/09/04 09:28 PM)
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