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Question about CO? levels
    #3472904 - 12/09/04 10:11 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I am going to take my terrarium/aquariom knowledge to a new level here...

Planted tank owners (terrariums/aquariums) go crazy trying to get extra CO2 into thier tanks, so that thier green plants grow bigger, brighter, faster. (Quick history: At night plants release TONS of CO2, as soon as daylight comes, it rappidly falls to almost undetectable levels as they absorb it all.) I assume that is part of the reason why mushrooms don't sprout at night, or choke and die.

All day long plants prefer to absorb CO2 and light to make sugar, while at night they reverse thier preference. They get switched by the light and can easily die from excess light, due to this situation.

My question is...

Would mushrooms and spawn production be improved if you threw a small grassy plant in there? As opposed to trying to drain excess CO2 through holes, or fanning? Plants will absorb more CO2 then the mushrooms could ever produce, and create little, but still create some at night.

I suggested grass, because it grows fast, can be trimmed, has a larger leaf surface area per. square inch of footing, is hearty, and readily available. (Get creative, use Lemon-Grass, then you can eat that harvest too... Make Lemon-Shroom tea!


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3472944 - 12/09/04 10:16 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

i like what you are thinking. give it a shot as far as im conserned and see what happens. i would take it out at night if this was the case.


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3472963 - 12/09/04 10:19 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I havn't got to the fruiting part yet, but I am sure that I can get grass to grow in 10 days... If not, I will dig up my winter lawn!

This could be a new method for plant farming, instead of buying CO2 generators (Propane burners), you could just plant any hearty mushrooms in the same greenhouse!

I did a similar experiment with two flowering plants, one tank was day, while the other was night, then they reversed. Both were connected at the top and bottom. I didn't even need a fan, circulation was natural convection. Worked great, but my toads didn't like it... (Don't ask) They prefer darkness.


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3472982 - 12/09/04 10:22 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

one problem i thought of just now. contams. try to figure a way out to reduce the risk of contams. fully colonized cakes are pretty resistant though. but ill try to think of a way to reduce the bad odds also.


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3473005 - 12/09/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I was thinking of that, Grass loves Peroxide in water...

I should be able to water the grass with the same diluted peroxide I use in my terrarium, (Keeps bacteria levels down and helps break down amonia from my frogs (Urea - amonia))

Here is a pic. of my old terrarium with my Grey Tiger Salamander inside. They are one of the largest newts/salamanders, besides the hellbender. He is about 10.5" long, almost a foot!




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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3473048 - 12/09/04 10:36 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

you seem to bevery knowladgable in this subject. nice newt by the way and isnt there some newt in china that grows 3 feet long? i would suggest starting your grass in a very steril environment and then continue with the peroxide as yo already said. but remember h2o2 kills spores (im think im right). so you need to spray before contams have a chance to grow.


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3473137 - 12/09/04 10:52 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Yes, the hell-bender...

Yes, I will pre-sterilize.

Sort-of, peroxide kills spores, mycelem and mushrooms can handle and prefer a minute amount of peroxide... (Not sure about the mixture, but too much will kill any plant. (My mix is about 50:1 of 3% peroxide... 50 parts water to one part 0.03 peroxide, I think that translates to about 0.006%)


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3473181 - 12/09/04 10:57 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

we use 10:1 water to peroxode for the shrooms. it works great.


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3473215 - 12/09/04 11:01 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

I will have to try bumping up my mix, My low mix was only due to my critters, since they breath through thier skin, and drink that way also... 50:1 tended to go un-noticed by them... 40:1 made them shed too much, which was a sign of irritation.

Since thier are no critters here, I may try 20:1, just to play it safe! I don't want to loose my first batch!


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3473257 - 12/09/04 11:08 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Other creatures I have are...

1 Grey Tiger Salamander
4 Fire Belly newts (California rough skin salamanders)
4 Fire Belly newts (Chinese true newts)
3 Spoon Nose Newts (Chinese Rough skin newts)
2 Fire Belly Toads (Chinese Mildly Poisonous)
2 Red Striped Salamanders (Local Connecticut)
31 Red Efts (Local Vermont)
2 Giant Black Millipedes (African)

Several Mosses, Ferns, and Unknown unique local plants.

No, I don't own a pet store! LOL...


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3473304 - 12/09/04 11:18 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

How big are giant black millipedes?


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3473490 - 12/09/04 11:57 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

10:1 is playing it very safe. Mycelium and mushrooms can hold up to straight 3% without killing it completly..any stronger and its a risk and it can definatly harm it if its straight 3%..but a 10:1 mix of 3% is safe to spray directly on mushrooms and mycelium (with a light mist from above and let it fall gently).


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3473653 - 12/10/04 12:28 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

The giant millipedes are both about 9 inches.

I was more woried about evaporative transfer, but I guess that most of the peroxide would be broken down by that time. (I also used peroxide in my mixture prior to pasturization. (Same ratio 50:1))

I have decided to give it a shot! I still have to build my fruiting chamber. I think I am going to go with some of that plastic wall stuff that they use in cheap gas-station bathrooms, for the walls. Then surround the outside with that pink foam (foamular)insulation from home depot... The 2inch stuff is R10... Double that up with the same foil bubble wrap that I use in my spawning chamber, and I will have a cozy Internal R16, with an external R25 (Thermal reflection).

I really should market some of my ideas! LOL, we already have plenty of crap in stores as it is!


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3473700 - 12/10/04 12:37 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

P.S. Did you know that you can use spawn as an active filter for water! Spawn that fruits most Oyster Mushrooms will create almost pure water! Filters/uses most mineral contaminaiton, and petrolium waste. The filtered water is then also a natural pesticide!

One slight downfall, your water will contain strains of mycelem from that mushroom, great if you are using cubie spawn, but not so great if you are using oyster mushroom spawn. Might make for some interesting cross-breading!

Great way to reinoculate without spores, quicker also, but more prone to contamination, I guess!?!


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3473706 - 12/10/04 12:38 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

are any of the knowledgeable members going to answer your question? it seems like a good idea, or at least one worthy of discussion and debate. What say you, oh Wise Ones?


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3473715 - 12/10/04 12:39 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Thanks,
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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3473754 - 12/10/04 12:48 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

jim, that blows my mind.

good luck with the grow, i'm sure you'll do well. you seem to be very knowledgable.

if you were looking to inoculate without spores, why not do a grain-to-grain transfer? if you have a hepa filtered flowhood/glovebox, this is reasonable.


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3474088 - 12/10/04 01:44 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Got one of those, but was thinking about a slow waterfall onto a constantly climbing wall of substrate... One giant and continuous growing wall of shrooms... falling back to the bottom when fully flushed, to be recultured!

Sure you would have to add some long grain brown rice flour every few days...

Um... that would be one long wall, and a real slow mover!

Similar to the way I saw them make dry-wall in one long factory... Starts as raw paper that is formed, slurry goes in... it hardens... gets baked/dryed, sealed, cut and stacked... all in one pass...takes hours to do all the traveling!

The factory is about one mile long! Almost like my spaghitti farm idea... I want 100 acres, 1 inch wide... so I can grow spaghetti!


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Re: Question about CO? levels [Re: LaughingJim]
    #3481649 - 12/11/04 02:37 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

i guess they're not. that's lame.


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