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Oysters on pines ?
    #3471711 - 12/09/04 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 hours ago)

Today I found some Oyster's growing on some Scotch Pine trees (Pinus sylvestris). My question is pretty simple as I have seen this information no where including in Stamets books , would the Oyster mushrooms make a good mushroom for stump culture on pine trees .

My parents live in the middle of a national forest and every 15 years they Thin out the forest of about 1/2 of the trees so that bigger growth can be had from the remainder of the trees , leaving tons of stumps . My other question is since rarely are oysters on pines does that mean that this might be a bit of a special oyster or are the circumstances just right for the growth .

Any thoughts would be appreciated . My parents live several hundred miles from me or I would be doing experments on the stumps right from the start instead of just asking questions . Also would dowels or sawdust spawn the best option ? Tommorow I am going to go try and get a liquid culture started from these fresh shrooms , then to an initial grain spawn , but from there I have not a clue . HELP .

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Re: Oysters on pines ? [Re: 284_27]
    #3471841 - 12/09/04 07:10 PM (12 years, 10 hours ago)

is that your home page, friend? nice site  :smile:

i don't think many species like pine due to the sap content, but you can only try. if it was me, i'd see if i had a drill and some dowels, or a chainsaw. if i had the former, i'd try dowels. if i had a chainsaw, i'd try sawdust spawn sandwiched in between slices or wedges of tree. some people even inoculate treestumps with grain myc or even spores smeared into the cut surface, preferably covered aith wax or something to keep the hungry insects and birds away. you gotta try it.

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Re: Oysters on pines ? [Re: 284_27]
    #3474672 - 12/10/04 04:22 AM (12 years, 48 minutes ago)

Interesting project !
As far as I know Phoenix Oyster (Pleurotus pulmonarius) grows on softwood trees.
You could also make sawdust spawn and inoculate the stumps with that.
But you would need a special tool for that:
http://www.mushroompeople.com/growing.htm


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Re: Oysters on pines ? [Re: ragadinks]
    #3475264 - 12/10/04 10:45 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

No , that is not my home page , just an interesting find while looking for oysters and pines , I figured that everyone needed a look see at thier work .

Most of the pines planted today are a low pitch pine tree (at least in the national forest where my parents live ). I found these oysters yesterday on a scotch pine which is a realitive high pitch tree , but was intrigued becouse stamets does not say anything about pinus in his books as a substrate . However looking in the Audobon Mushroom (pg 793) guide it says that oysters are occasionally found on pines . So that sent me off on a quest of sorts , wondering if those thinned trees could be used as a sustainable substate . I believe that if I make up a dowel plug , and explain the process enough to my dad he could and would inoculate the cut of pines . I would think that if the stumps were allowed to lie fallow for one year that most of the pitch would be gone anyway . I am also wondering if this oyster is more pitch tolerant ? I would think that the real problem with pitch would be its amount of turpentien in it , but that is just a guess .


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Re: Oysters on pines ? [Re: 284_27]
    #3475653 - 12/10/04 01:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

> I am also wondering if this oyster is more pitch tolerant ?
I am quite sure that it is more pitch tolerant, since it grew on softwood.
Are you sure that it is Pleurotus ostreatus ? I only have heard that Pleurotus pulmonarius is found on firs.
Anyway, I think it would be an interesting strain to cultivate cause oysters that grow on firs are usually less selective to the substrate ( or at least that is what I have heard :wink: ).
Have you got some pics of the mushroom ? Also take some prints ...

Found this paper that might be interesting for you:
"Conversion of conifer wastes into edible and medicinal mushrooms."

Here is an excerpt:

Quote:


Griofola frondosa, Hericium erinaceus, and Pleurotus ostreatus,
were selected for small-scale treatment of conifer chips in Pyrex storage dishes.
The fungi did not grow or grew poorly on surfaces of untreated chips,
even though these versatile fungi are fast colonizers that can degrade a wide variety of lignin in various lignocellulosic substrates.
Martinez-Inigo et al. (1 999) found that Scots pine extractives were
toxic to various wood-inhabiting fungi. Resin acids accounted for 88 percent of
total extractives. Fungal growth was enhanced by removing the extractives.
Similarly, certain resin acids in pine cone extractives were found to be toxic
to wood-inhabiting fungi (mold, sapstain, and wood-rotting fungi) (Micales
et al. 1994).




> I would think that if the stumps were allowed to lie fallow for one year that most of the pitch would be gone anyway.
You just would have to make sure that not other fungi start to grow on the stumps which might happen when they are getting too old.

Other interesting species that might grow on pine might be Sparassis crispa, Hypholoma capnoides, Pholiota nameko, F. velutipes, Hypholoma sublateritium ...
But that might depend very much on the strain itself ...
See also this discussion here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post2029613


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Re: Oysters on pines ? [Re: ragadinks]
    #3478348 - 12/10/04 09:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks ragadinks , tommorow I will get some pictures and try to take a spore print tonight one the one that i have in the fridge , hopefully it is not to late to get a print . Interesting that the scots pine is the one mentioned in the article . I also intend to ask my dad to find out what variety of pine is planted in the forest ,as I was told it is a low pitch pine tree . If nothing else I will get a culture started and we can go from there .

ps. i just called and he dad said was loblolly planted there which is a low pitch pine tree .


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Re: Oysters on pines ? [Re: 284_27]
    #3481102 - 12/11/04 11:43 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone thinking what I am thinking?


Drive around on Dec 26th-Jan 2nd, steal christmas trees out of the trash and inoculate them with 'shrooms?


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Re: Oysters on pines ? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #3481928 - 12/11/04 04:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

> Drive around on Dec 26th-Jan 2nd, steal christmas trees out of the trash and inoculate them with 'shrooms?

Good idea :grin: - sure you would get a lot of substrate ...

It would be nice to have some strains that do well on softwood cause here for example almost only softwood like firs etc. are growing.


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