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Children Loving
    #3468251 - 12/09/04 01:35 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Obviously pedophilia is quite a taboo in our society, as people think, "Children are too young, they can't make their own decisions," and so any who have sex with them are sick or insane. But say a 30 year old man wants to date a child, and the child is consensual. What do you think the age is when the child can fully decide for himself that he wants to go out with a man?

I think 15 years old and above are usually quite capable of thinking for themselves, but would that be wrong in other's decision? Many people don't know where to draw the line between protecting an innocent mind and freewill of sexuality

I was inspired to post this because a member who was attracted to child (though never messed around with them) has left and everybody seemed to hate him, even though they were just fantasies of his and he had never harmed a child. But if he wanted to date a minor, wouldn't a 16 year old be fully capable of deciding he wants to experience this older man? What do you think?


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Ravus]
    #3468338 - 12/09/04 01:52 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

He claimed he had a relationship with a 14 year old if I remember correctly.
But that is beside the point
on the actual issue of pedophilia; it is a tricky area
it's not illegal to be attracted to boys, as obviously you can't legislate thought.
Most places, however, have ages of consent, based upon the standards the society sets for them. Of course these ages can't be necessarily true for every person at them (IE every 18 year old is not more mature then every 16 year old) they are the rules the society chooses, for better or for worse. These laws I don't necessarily find to be "right" , and just as often the case (at least in the US) is that any homosexual contact is against the law (In my state, sodomy and oral sex are both still on the books as crimes). Again, I don't think this is right, consenting adults should be free to do what they like...
My man issue with LadMirer was his position as a "boy" lover
to say that you love "boys" means you love a male who is young, and by definition naive.
Do you think that pedophiles approach these children on a level basis?
Sit them down; have a conversation as to what is going to happen?
Or do you think they mislead, and take advantage of children who are too young to understand the implications, physical and psychological.
Can you imagine if you had been an 11 year old boy and been molested?
Then can you imagine having to listen to someone spout off about how "man boy love" was a glorious thing and should be accepted? Men and boys were not meant to have sexual contact.
If two men wanted to have sex, that would be their own business.
If two boys were playing doctor or whatever, and had what might be considered sexual contact, it wouldn't be a big deal either
but we all know that as we become adults, sex takes a different position in our lives and priorities. People lie, cheat, pay, die, mislead, misappropriate and all out worship the act of sex.
And children don't.
That's the difference,
and that's why it's wrong.
There is no love in his heart; there is a horrible defect in his mind, and probably a lot of deception


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Ravus]
    #3468380 - 12/09/04 01:59 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Even though everyone comes into their own sexually at a different age, the age of 18 has been recognized in the U.S. as adult age. There are some other age of consent laws per state, but isn't it better to be safe (18) than sorry (16 year old that gets you sent to jail, even if she is plenty mature physically)?


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Ravus]
    #3468398 - 12/09/04 02:00 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

well i dont agree with the society chooses statement, government chooses. personally i would like to see voting, gambling, and whatnot droped. especially voting.

i only know part of the story with that member so i wont talk about him. but about being a pedophile. i personally dont really liek the idea, but i also dont liek teh idea of homo sexuals. i dont however go around sayign they shouldnt be together and im happy when they are, jsut not my thing. it is a tricky area and i think that many 15 year olds are definatly capable of deciding if they want a dick or a dildo, hand or a clit. biologically speaking many people are ready for reproduction in their very early teens, many as soon as 10. cant fight it, its life.

but i really dont think there is gonan be much agreement on this subject much liek there isnt on god. but i will say in relation to this site that people wanting relation ships with older people, or younger depending on teh situation, is as much up to them as doing drugs is. people here seem to be all against drug wars and all for freedoms. well isnt this also an anti freedom step? i geuss we have stoped putting those steel panties on women now, theres a plus.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Signo]
    #3468410 - 12/09/04 02:02 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

yes thats very nice. but should people get put in jail for being in love and touching each other? sounds pretty barbaric to me.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Ravus]
    #3468419 - 12/09/04 02:03 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

what about the other way around? there have been a few recent convictions of older women having sex with younger man around 15 years of age.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: kadakuda]
    #3468434 - 12/09/04 02:06 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Well, let's follow your logic and makes laws around it and see how many kids get molested.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Signo]
    #3468441 - 12/09/04 02:08 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The laws don't change anything, the people who'd do such things do


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Signo]
    #3468494 - 12/09/04 02:18 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

non consenting sex is still rape regardless of age....

with curent laws it is illegal for a 16 year old to have sex with a 20 year old. lets nto only think 12 years fucking seniors here. thats not the norm. i think you'll find that millions of grand parents of teens and probably their parents have a good 5 year gap, now amany are also high school sweet hearts. or even earlier. perhaps we should jail them for rape.

but its a HUGE grey area that many people just dont wish to discuss, hence the lack of meaningfull laws. i still dont think there will ever be a generall consensus on the issue.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Ravus]
    #3468824 - 12/09/04 04:22 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

A few of the most popular porn sites on the internet make a big show of really mistreating the women. Bangbus is one, I'm sure that some of it is fake, but they genuinely exploit, degrade, humiliate, and to some extent, abuse the women they use in their videos.

Now, the women in these videos agree to take part, but they're surely doing it out of the need for money, and are being influenced by manipulative jerks who convince them to subject themselves to this. There's nothing that ruins a masturbation session like opening up a video that features a woman who looks like she's on the verge of tears, being called a "dumb slut", and having a cock forcefully shoved down her throat.

Yet, this is not only socially acceptable, it's POPULAR.

I can't imagine what kind of sick, fucked up psychology it would take to actually be aroused by this, but there must be a lot of people out there who are.

I wouldn't be suprised at all to learn that these are the same people whose first reaction to learning that somone has pedophilic urges, is to cry out for blood.

I remember quite a while ago, I mentioned in some thread that maybe we shouldn't treat pedophiles as monsters who deserve to be punished, but as people who need help to be able to function without harming others. That by taking this approach, we may be able to help people cope with their urges, and ultimately reduce the amount of abuses that do occur through prevention. Some people actually called me sick for even suggesting this, which is just plain dumb.

We all have some kind of sexual kink. We fixate on certain body shapes, certain styles of dress, etc, and we don't really have a choice in what turns us on. Can you imagine if the one thing that turned you on was something that you'd be demonized and alienated for even admitting? I mean, relationship problems have caused me stress, heartache, and depression as it is, I can't even fathom what it would be like if my urges made me feel like the worst scum on the planet.

Unlike so many other kinks, consensual sex is not exactly an option here, but we can't just tell people they aren't allowed to feel urges they have no control over.

Once anything is based more strongly on emotional reactions than carefully considered logic. Once someone is so set on attacking pedophiles for how evil they are that they won't even consider that taking a different approach might have the possibility of reducing the amount of child abuse that occurs, there's a problem with their thinking.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Ravus]
    #3469160 - 12/09/04 08:13 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I think 15 years old and above are usually quite capable of thinking for themselves

I certainly don't. I knew a few girls when I was in grade 9 who were going out with guys 25+. I can assure you that each and every one of those girls was being used by the guy. The guys didn't give a flying fuck about their "girlfriends", while the girls were obviously in the throws of hormone-induced teenage "love".


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Re: Children Loving [Re: trendal]
    #3469268 - 12/09/04 09:19 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

My opinion is that even the majority of grownups can't think for themselfs.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: skystone]
    #3469288 - 12/09/04 09:30 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

My opinion is that even the majority of grownups can't think for themselfs.

I would tend to agree with you on that one :grin:


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Re: Children Loving [Re: spudamore]
    #3470152 - 12/09/04 01:27 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"What about the other way around? There have been a few recent convictions of older women having sex with younger man around 15 years of age."

In one case, a teacher in the Seattle area, Mary Kay Laterno, had intercourse with one of her 15 year old male students, who got her pregnant. The boy and the boy's mom fought to keep her out of jail, and she got probation with NO jail time with the condition she stay away from the boy. She is later found with the boy in her car with several thousand dollars and passports (on their way to Canada?). The judge now sends her to prison. Not too long ago, prior to her release, she goes on Barbara Walters while still in prison. Barbara is quite sympathetic to her love for this boy, and her relationship with him. Mary Kay is writing a book about her ordeal and love for this boy. She gets out of prison and based on the restraining order being lifted, gets back with the boy who is now over 18, and apparently the two are getting married.

In a recent case in the area a male coach and a 15 year old girl on the softball team were having sex over a period of time and they left town together. She was with him voluntarily the entire time. Later they were picked up out of state and he is in jail now. Somehow a book deal and an interview with Barbara Walters about his "loving relationship" with this girl seems unlikely. More likely, 10 years in prison.

In both cases, a teacher had unforced sex with their 15 year old students. The criminal statutes were the same for the female and the male teacher.

Why do many in society view the two cases so differently?


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Ravus]
    #3470176 - 12/09/04 01:33 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not touching this with a 10 foot pole. For those of you who think pedophilia is not that bad...have a child and then get back to me.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: adrug]
    #3470286 - 12/09/04 01:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I certainly don't think pedophilia is "not that bad", but I don't think that the emotional reaction of parents is a valid argument against it.

You could just as easily say "If you think drugs aren't so bad, wait until you find out that your son/daughter is using them".

Parents don't tend to think rationally about their children, they think emotionally.

Trendal was definately right about 15 year olds and older guys. I also knew some girls in that situation, and I'm good friends with a girl my age who was in that situation when she was 14...

I also know 20 year old girls who are, or have been in relationships with guys their own age, who manipulated and used them, and I'm not sure how much less morally wrong that is.

I do know that if an attractive adult woman wanted to have sex with me when I was 14, I would have thought I won some sort of cosmic lottery.

Pedophilia is certainly not right, but it's a far more morally complex issue than "pedophiles are evil".


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Ravus]
    #3470411 - 12/09/04 02:14 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The law of nature says that a person is ready for sex the same as every other animal. It is men and there laws that make such things.

There is still tribes around the planet that let things happen as nature intended.

This does not reflect my personal thoughts on the subject.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: Phluck]
    #3470419 - 12/09/04 02:15 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"I do know that if an attractive adult woman wanted to have sex with me when I was 14, I would have thought I won some sort of cosmic lottery."

You and me and the vast majority of boys going through puberty. And if you did "get lucky" at 14 with the 40 year old lady down the street, you might tell your friends who in turn "get lucky" with that same "nice" lady. Or, in the old days, dad takes son to the whorehouse for the boy's sex education. Maybe they get a 2 for 1 deal. Boys will be boys.

Girls? Keep them in the house and away from those boys who are just after one thing. Dad remembers being 16 and "getting lucky" with that 14 year old girl down the street. He's not about to have a repeat performance with his daughter if he can help it.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #3470425 - 12/09/04 02:17 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I would tend to think that in most cases a pedophile is NOT doing what they do for the love of the child. They are doing what they do to satisfy their own sexual fantasies. As you pointed out, there ARE exceptions to this, where adults can apprently actually be in love with a minor.

However the bulk of child molesters you hear of are not just doing this to ONE kid. They do it over and over again, with no reguard at all to the well-being of the children in question.


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Re: Children Loving [Re: trendal]
    #3470502 - 12/09/04 02:35 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

a pedophile monkey?

possible? a pedophile dog? cat? :wink:


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