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question to christians about drugs
    #3466640 - 12/08/04 08:38 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

ok, I was talking with some christin kids (again), this time about mj and alcohol and drugs in general.

they used verses like "do not be drunk with wine, but be filled with the spirit", and they said it is ok however to have glass of wine or a couple beers aslong as you don't get "drunk".

they say mj high = drunkeness.

they said "you can drink a little and not get drunk, but you can't smoke mj and not get high, when was the last time you smoked mj and did not get high?"

first I said "when I was down in baltimore and got the weakest herb known to man!" they did'nt laugh of course...

but than I used this proverb from the bible "Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish, let them drink and forget their poverty, and remember their misery no more."

and the one in psalms where it talks about the things God has blessed us with

"wine that gladdens the hearts of man"

I than said "if by getting high you mean anything beyond that of what the bible states wine can be used for, than no, I never got high."

they kept saying stuff like "that's not what the bible means! it's talking about drinking a glass of wine or a few beers, recreational drug use is immoral and a sin."

I said "every form of recreation is a drug, watching tv, playing sports, listening to music, looking at art... there all drugs, how can you decide what drugs are immoral for christians?"

they said "none of those recreations alter your mind like drugs do, drugs is a foreign chemical you smoke/eat/drink to alter your mind."

i said "those recreations do alter your mind, when you listen to music for hours, it makes you think and feel good, you inhale a foreign substance with your ears, it is a drug, when you dance for hours, it makes you think and feel good, you're body eats a foreign substance, it is a drug, when you look at art for hours, it makes you think and feel good, your eyes drink a foreign substance, it is a drug."

they kept dening that everything recreational is a drug, I kept insisting it was.

any thoughts?


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: JCoke]
    #3466672 - 12/08/04 08:42 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

"I was talking with some christin kids"

Kids should not drink or take drugs.


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: JCoke]
    #3466680 - 12/08/04 08:43 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

by their definition of drugs is to alter ones mind, so yes everything that alters one mind is a drug, including the bible.


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: JCoke]
    #3466682 - 12/08/04 08:44 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

the bible also says not to argue over things like that; if one person feels it's wrong to do those things then it is... however to tell other people what they believe is wrong (about things that aren't CLEARLY defined in the bible IS wrong)


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3466691 - 12/08/04 08:44 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
"I was talking with some christin kids"

Kids should not drink or take drugs.




haha, well, they were about late teens early twenties.

I call them kids.


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: JCoke]
    #3466711 - 12/08/04 08:49 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I think that it can be OK in moderation to do these things, but doing drugs and drinking REALLY puts a hinder on the progress of your relationship as a christian with God. So... it'd benefit you to either RARELY or not at all to do stuff like that... that's what I think


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3466732 - 12/08/04 08:52 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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ld50negative1 said:
the bible also says not to argue over things like that; if one person feels it's wrong to do those things then it is... however to tell other people what they believe is wrong (about things that aren't CLEARLY defined in the bible IS wrong)




yea I even quoted some of Romans to say it does'nt really matter that we disagree on this, we agreed to disagree...

but we were also talking about the legalization of mj, that soemthing they would back down from, I got them to say they don't want to see people to go to jail for mj, but they still want fines for them, as they put it "something to make them think again about smoking mj."

I says "your example can stop people from smoking pot, but enforcement is wrong, it wont help anyone, just live and let live, like Jesus would let them...you got a problem with Jesus's logic of example better than force?"

they just would'nt back down though. lol


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: JCoke]
    #3466825 - 12/08/04 09:13 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

"however to tell other people what they believe is wrong (about things that aren't CLEARLY defined in the bible IS wrong)"

I don't believe that's wrong to tell other people that they're wrong.

So are you saying I'm wrong by not judging people who call others wrong, as being wrong themselves?

In which case, you are wrong by your own logic :lol:

(nevermind... :smile:)


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: deff]
    #3466945 - 12/08/04 09:34 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

No, I am referring to a part in Romans (I believe) that talks about how if something isn't clearly defined in the bible a man is free to discern his own opinion. It goes on to say that if you meet someone that disagrees with you on something (that's not defined in the bible) then you should not cause that brother to stumble by either: doing that thing in front of them or accusing them of being unlearned in the bible on the subject (when in reality no one says anything about dancing in the bible -i dont know that for certain, but for reference).

This all goes to keeping love for your brother and supporting them in the faith by following the guidelines that Paul set out.

No, I am not not wrong by my logic... this refers to SIN not any topic..


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: deff]
    #3466951 - 12/08/04 09:34 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Jcoke,


Jesus taught that all things are Good when the intent is right. If a person is taking drugs and living a life of Hate,pain and destruction then it would be safe to say..That is so very wrong

If a person takes drugs for enjoyment,enlightenment or searching for God then it may not be bad in the eyes of God.

That said it is up to the person and his or her relationship with God to decided such things.

But if I am loving a person and I can plainly see that their drug use is standing in path to get to God. And they are truly trying to get to God. I may suggest to dry out for awhile until they can better handle it. Drugs are a two edged sword and can be the cause of much harm. But most of us know that.


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3467158 - 12/08/04 10:11 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Alcohol and Marijuana aren't the same thing. Alcohol is a sedative and a depressive, it can only make you dumb.

A human is a preprogamed slave in modern society. Alcohol makes
you a stupid and shildish slave, but Marijuana releases you
to some extend from this slavery.
It's not the same thing.


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: skystone]
    #3467169 - 12/08/04 10:14 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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skystone said:
Alcohol and Marijuana aren't the same thing. Alcohol is a sedative and a depressive, it can only make you dumb.

A human is a preprogamed slave in modern society. Alcohol makes
you a stupid and shildish slave, but Marijuana releases you
to some extend from this slavery.
It's not the same thing.




:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Alot of people smoke MJ nearly everyday so how does this release anyone from slavery? Isn't a craving to do something everyday enslavement more so than occasionaly drinking?


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3467182 - 12/08/04 10:17 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

a lot of people drink everyday, so how is this any better than occasionally smoking?

nothing matters, and that's all that matters :smile:


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: deff]
    #3467197 - 12/08/04 10:20 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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deff said:
a lot of people drink everyday, so how is this any better than occasionally smoking?

nothing matters, and that's all that matters :smile:




That's not what I'm saying deff. You'd be much better off smoking everyday than drinking everyday to the effects on your body (dependency). I'm just saying that what that guy said about enslavement didn't make much sense to me ... so I made one of many comparisons to show why.


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3467364 - 12/08/04 10:52 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Maybe he was just talking about his personal experiences? My experiences would agree with his, marijuana makes me think much clearer about my current situation in this universe, while alcohol just makes my mind fuzzy and unable to walk straight :smirk:


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3467406 - 12/08/04 11:01 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I think he was refering to mental enslavement.
Being caught up in the world and the things that affect you.
When seen from on *high*, most matters look trivial.
And really, until you see it for yourself, you can never know.
I'm surprised you couldn't see that, I mean this is the Shroomery after all.


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: JCoke]
    #3467442 - 12/08/04 11:08 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)


"All things in moderation, as long as they don't lead you from god"
can't remember what verse this is.
but,it rings true.


look to Genisis 1,12 or Genisis 1,29
these talk of all plant bearing seeds were made by god and to be used as food.(food for the body and mind in my opinion)


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: JCoke]
    #3467945 - 12/09/04 12:40 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

I believe it was Jesus who coined the phrase "Hey-ey-ey-ey, smoke weed every day".


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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: JCoke]
    #3471628 - 12/09/04 06:24 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

I think it was also Jesus who said, and I quote:

Quote:


Jesus: Djoo flash a piece out on de lane, and I stick it up your ass an' pull de trigger till it goes "click".
Walter: Jesus !
Jesus: Djoo said it, man. Nobody fucks wid da Jesus!




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Re: question to christians about drugs [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3471758 - 12/09/04 06:55 PM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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ld50negative1 said:
the bible also says not to argue over things like that; if one person feels it's wrong to do those things then it is... however to tell other people what they believe is wrong (about things that aren't CLEARLY defined in the bible IS wrong)




:thumbup:

Coming from a Christian, this makes me feel more optimistic for the world.
This is what i think... Live and let live, and don't prance around this earth telling other people that you're right and their wrong. 
Hehehe, and far too often people have been killed over this very thing.  cough* crusades, spanish inquisition, colonial invaders *cough  :smirk:


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