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InvisibleFreakQlibrium
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Isn't Atheism just another belief system?
    #3461140 - 12/07/04 08:20 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well yeah loaded question i know, but seriously: Isn't the acceptance of Logic, rational and skeptical thinking etc as (the?) the best way, and accepting THAT as yielding the highest possible interpretation of the true nature of reality  as much of a crutch(yeah, i KNOW i'm gonna catch some shit for that statement :grin:) as a fervent belief in THE God as portrayed in the Bible? Spill out your guts peeps :grin:

Look: I am way too dronk to be even starting thread much less making a post so as you were kidz :grin:

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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3461158 - 12/07/04 08:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Or the lack of one actually...but you know how people are. They declare freedom and make it dogma.


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3461188 - 12/07/04 08:31 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I don't really think it is the lack of a belief system, the lack of a belief system would not have to refute God. It is just one belief system that people learn to believe throughout their lives, just as much as another other religion with its beliefs and stigmas. The difference with atheism is that it is much more believing in observations rather than faith (though both require belief,) and is not organized, so people can tweak it to their individual lifestyles more than say, Islam. A drawback is that it provides little emotional support in hard times, or when thinking of death

Whether it's science or God that gets people through the day, most must have something to fall back on when life gets them down

As for freedom, everybody declares freedom in their beliefs one way or another; freedom from sin, suffering, dogma, stupidity, negative energies, gnomes, there is nearly always something beliefs try to escape


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: Ravus]
    #3461202 - 12/07/04 08:33 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

"Q: What do you get when you cut a baby with a straight razor?
A: An erection. "

Your a sick puppy, man. I'll have to remember that one.


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3461211 - 12/07/04 08:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:grin:

Dead baby jokes make the day of anyone better, except for, perhaps, the baby




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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3461243 - 12/07/04 08:41 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
"Q: What do you get when you cut a baby with a straight razor?
A: An erection. "

Your a sick puppy, man. I'll have to remember that one.




Actually that IS pretty fucking ill man, reminds me a lot of my own posts when i used to frequent OTD :grin:


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3461249 - 12/07/04 08:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I would say Agnosticism is closer to a state of "no beliefs" than Atheism. Atheism requires an assertion to the self that there is God or Higher Power, and there is no proof that there is or isn't.


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3461257 - 12/07/04 08:45 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Freak this is a very intelligent question......... :laugh:

Yes it is very much so. A person who thinks that they have all within themselves and are in no need of a 'God' are in fact in the belief that they are capable of handling everything. Well I can not assume for all but you get the idea.

All things are based on a system of belief. Whether it is a belief in God's ability of the ability of themselves.

There is no difference when standing in ether set of shoes. It only becomes different when you are looking back at the other set of shoes.


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3461297 - 12/07/04 08:55 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Being filled with ego, or being filled with God are ironically expressed the same way.


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3461307 - 12/07/04 08:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Now, I might be an atheist... I certainly am no Christian.

But, I agree - everybody has assumptions about the world, or beliefs. Logic is only good for drawing conclusions from established beliefs - it can't draw anything out of thin air. I don't believe in a creative god because... well, I just don't. That's about it.


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? *DELETED* [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3461312 - 12/07/04 08:58 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:smile: oops see below


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3461318 - 12/07/04 09:00 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zahudulallah said:
Being filled with ego, or being filled with God are ironically expressed the same way.




This is only true in the eyes of the listener


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3461320 - 12/07/04 09:00 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Both the Pharoah and the Hallaj said, "I am God."

Which one was speaking from the point of truth, and which one the point of ego?


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3461331 - 12/07/04 09:04 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Only God knows for sure

But, I can tell you that the fruits on a persons limbs will tell you much . Even this still does not answer such a question with absolution


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3461338 - 12/07/04 09:05 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Whichever one was right, I don't think either one was talking about God in the way we normally think of it - the willful creator of everything else.


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3461342 - 12/07/04 09:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zahudulallah said:
Both the Pharoah and the Hallaj said, "I am God."

Which one was speaking from the point of truth, and which one the point of ego?




Wait let me answer this another way :thumbup:

Based on my own belief system. Nether man is as God only came to earth once and his name was Jesus :grin:


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3461346 - 12/07/04 09:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I would say Agnosticism is closer to a state of "no beliefs" than Atheism. Atheism requires an assertion to the self that there is God or Higher Power, and there is no proof that there is or isn't.

That is a totally kick ass post my friend, see you in OTD :wink:


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: phi1618]
    #3461348 - 12/07/04 09:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

As Fucknuckle said, the fruits of a person will speak. The Pharoah had people killed, while the Hallaj proclaimed "I am Love, from head to toe."


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3461363 - 12/07/04 09:12 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

ok, to be honest, i'll buy the Hallaj's line before the Pharoah's or Fucknuckle's. Maybe, as long as he wasn't claiming "i, and only i, am god". Which i assume not, from the context.


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Re: Isn't Atheism just another belief system? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3461365 - 12/07/04 09:12 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Fucknuckle said:
Quote:

zahudulallah said:
Both the Pharoah and the Hallaj said, "I am God."

Which one was speaking from the point of truth, and which one the point of ego?




Wait let me answer this another way :thumbup:

Based on my own belief system. Nether man is as God only came to earth once and his name was Jesus :grin:




BUT, "God became a man so that man can become God." --St. Valentinus.


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