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Wisdom of the Ancient Norse
    #3460542 - 12/07/04 06:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here is a very small sample of wisdom from the Havamal in the Elder Edda:

Before one would advance
through each doorway,
one must look about
and peer around,
because one can't know for sure
where enemies
sit in the hall beforehand.

There is need of fire
for him who is come in
with cold knees;
there is need of food and clothes
for the man
who has journeyed on the mountainside

There is need of water,
for the one who comes for a meal,
of towel and friendly intonation;
of good disposition,
if he can get it,
of speech and silence in return.

Sense is needed
for the one who travels widely;
everything is easy at home.
He who knows nothing
and sits with wise men
becomes a mockery.

A man must not be boastful
in his mind,
but wary in disposition;
when he, wise and silent,
comes to the homestead,
misfortune rarely befalls the wary,
because man can never have
a more reliable guide
than great common sense.

A ruler's son must be
silent and thoughtful
and brave in battle;
each man must be
happy and cheerful
until he suffers death.

The foolish man
thinks he will live forever
if he avoids battle;
but old age gives
him no peace,
though spears might spare him.

The unwise man
thinks them all to be
his friends, those who laugh at him;
he does not notice
even if they express malice against him
when he sits among wise men.

The dwelling is better,
though it be small;
each man is a free man at home;
though he own two she-goats
and a hall roofed with withies,
it is still better than begging.

If you there is another
whom you mistrust,
but you want to get something good from him,
you must speak fair to him,
and think deceitful thoughts,
and give deception in return for a lie

A man is not wholly wretched,
though he be in rotten health;
one is blessed with sons,
another with kinsmen,
another with plenty of money,
another with deeds well done.

A son is better,
though he be late-begotten,
after a man is gone;
memorial stones seldom
stand by the road
unless a kinsman should raise [them] to kin.

Cattle die,
kinsmen die,
the self dies likewise;
but the renown
for the one who gets good fame
dies never.

The day must be praised in the evening,
a woman, when she is cremated,
a sword, when it is proven,
a maiden, when she is given away,
ice, when it is crossed,
ale, when it is drunk.

Peace and trust are exchanged
when one can tell
another his whole mind.
Anything is better
than to be faithless:
he is not another's friend
who says only what the friend wants to hear.

Now the sayings of Har are spoken
in Har's hall,
very needful to the sons of men,
harmful to the sons of giants.
Hail to him who spoke!
Hail to him who understands!
Let him benefit who took them!
Blessings on those who listened!

Note: The translation is very faithful. I have much familiarity with the Norse language.


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3460589 - 12/07/04 06:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"He who has been called upon by the nornor sees not the night ".


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3460651 - 12/07/04 06:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nice and very full of wisdom

Another fine example of wise teachings

But I could just as easly dismiss as folly of a drunken sailor :blush:


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3460679 - 12/07/04 06:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My point is that wisdom resides in many places. The Bible is a fountain of it, but there are myriad sources. I see the Havamal (of which I quoted a very small sample) as another source of often relevant wisdom.


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3460810 - 12/07/04 07:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Read "Yurtle the Turtle" by Dr. Seuss. That is a very wise tome.


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3460820 - 12/07/04 07:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yessssssssssss You have spoken a wise thing. If a person was to carefully pay attention to the things I say and not put my words into their past experiences with Christians.


A person would have seen, that I have said the same thing more than once.



My first post in this thread was a slight mockery :blush: Sorry :smile:


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Swami]
    #3460901 - 12/07/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dr. Seuss always makes a relavant point. Years of child-rearing have taught me a great fondness for Dr. Seuss. My personal favorite is "McElligot's Pool" as I am a fisherman...so was Jesus by the way. "The Lorax" is another favorite.


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3460917 - 12/07/04 07:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

McElligot's Pool

|| |"Young man," laughed the farmer,
"You're sort of a fool!
You'll never catch fish
In McElligot's Pool!"||

|| |The pool is too small.
And, you might as well know it,
When people have junk
Here's the place that they throw it.||

"You might catch a boot
Or you might catch a can.
You might catch a bottle,
But listen, young man... If you sat fifty years
With your worms and your wishes,
You'd grow a long beard
Long before you'd catch fishes!"

|| "Hmmm..." answered Marco,
"It may be you're right.
I've been here three hours
Without one single bite.
There might be no fish...

"...But, again,
Well, there might!"|

"'Cause you never can tell
What goes on down below!

"This pool might be bigger
Than you or I know!"||

|| |"This MIGHT be a pool, like I've read of in books,
Connected to one of those underground brooks!|

An underground river that starts here and flows
Right under the pasture! And then...well, who knows?"||

|| "It might go along, down where no one can see,
Right under State Highway Two-Hundred-and -Three!
Right under the wagons! Right under the toes
Of Mrs. Umbroso who's hanging out clothes!|

"It might keep on flowing...perhaps...who can tell?...
Right under the people in Sneeden's Hotel!
Right under the grass where they're playing croquet!
Then under the mountains and far, far away!||

|| "This might be a river,
Now mightn't it be,

Connecting
McElligot's
Pool
With
The
Sea!
Then maybe some fish might be swimming toward me!

(If such a thing could be,
They certainly would be!)||

|| |Some very smart fellow might point out the way
To the place where I'm fishing. And that's why I say
If I wait long enought; if I'm patient and cool,
Who knows what I'll catch in McElligott's Pool!||

I might catch a thin fish,

I might catch a stout fish. I might catch a short

or

a





long,



long




drawn-out fish!



Any kind! Any shape! Any color or size!
I might catch some fish that would open your eyes!||

|| I won't be surprised if a Dog Fish appears!
Complete with a collar and long floppy ears!
Whoffing along! And perhaps he might chase
A whole lot of Catfish right straight to this place!| ||

|| I might catch a fish
With a pinwheel-like tail!

I might catch a fish
Who has fins like a sail!

I might catch some young fish
Some high-jumping friskers.

I might catch an old one
With long flowing whiskers!|

I might catch a fish
With a long curly nose.

I might catch a fish
Like a rooster that crows.


I might catch a fish
With a checkerboard belly,

Or even a fish
Made of strawberry jelly!||


|| I might catch a Sea Horse
(Now mightn't I now...?)|

I might catch a fish
Who is partly a cow!||

|| |Some fish from the Tropics, all sunburned and hot,
Might decide to swimp up!

Well they might...
Might they not?

Racing up north for a chance to get cool,
Full steam ahead for McElligot's Pool!||

|| Some Eskimo Fish
From beyond Hudson Bay
Might decide to swim down;
Might be headed this way!

It's a pretty long trip,
But they might
And they may. | ||

|| I might catch an eel...
(Well, I might. It depends.)
...A long twisting eel
With a lot of strange bends
And, oddly enough,
With a head on both ends!

One doesn't catch this kind of fish as a rule,
But the chances are fine in McElligot's Pool!"| ||

|| "I might catch a fish
With a terrible grouch...'|

Or an Australian fish
With a kangaroo's pouch!"

|| "Who wants to catch small ones like mackerel or trout!
SAY! I'll catch a Saw Fish with such a long snout
That he needs an assistant to help him about!|

"If I wait long enough, if I'm patient and cool,
Who knows what I'll catch in McElligot's Pool!||


"Some rough-neck old Lobster,
All gristle and muscle,
Might grab at my bait,
Then would I have a tussle!

To land one so tough might take two or three hours,
But the next might be easy..."||

|| " ...The kind that likes flowers."| ||

|| "I might catch some sort of a fast-moving bloke
Who zips through the waves with an over-arm stroke!| ||

(I might and I may and that's really no joke!)"| ||

||"A fish even faster!
A fish, if you please,
Who slides down the sides
Of strange islands on skis!

He might ski on over and pay me a visit.
That's not impossible...really, now is it?"

||"Some Circus Fish!
Fish from an acrobat school,
Might stage a big show in McElligot's Pool!"| ||

||"Or I might catch a fish
From a stranger place yet!
From the world's highest river
In far-off Tibet,
Where the falls are so steep
That it's dangerous to ride 'em,
So the fish put up chutes
And they float down beside 'em."| ||

||"From the world's deepest ocean,
From way down below,
From down in the mud where the deep-divers go,
From down in the mire and the muck and the murk,
I might catch some fish who are all going, "GLURK!"| ||

||" WHALES!
I'll catch whales!
Yes, a whole herd of whales!
All spouting their spouts
And all thrashing their tails!

I'll catch fifty whales,
Then I'll stop for the day
'Cause there's nothing that's bigger
Than whales, so they say."|

Still, of course,
It might be..||

||"...that there IS something bigger!
Some sort of a kind of
A THING-A-MA-JIGGER!!'

A fish that's so big, if you know what I mean,
That he makes a whale look like a tiny sardine!"| ||

"Oh, the sea is so full of a number of fish,
If a fellow is patient, he might get his wish!"| ||

||"And that's why I think
That I'm not such a fool
When I sit here and fish
In McElligot's Pool!"| ||


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3460932 - 12/07/04 07:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He was a Christian and taught biblical principals in his books

That entire story is about patience in teaching the things of Jesus and having enough that he may in fact help someone to God


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3460966 - 12/07/04 07:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It is certainly about patience. If Jesus was an influence I was not aware, but it could well be so. I totally derailed my own thread.


Edited by Huehuecoyotl (12/07/04 08:31 PM)


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3461551 - 12/07/04 10:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah Dr. Seuss was a great Man and a great man for God


But you do need to continue this thread. Go find some more sailor stuff :guns: :laugh:

I want to read some nore...........get it I want to read some NORE


ha ha ha ha ha ahahahahhahahaha LOL


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3461669 - 12/07/04 10:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Then you should enjoy Voluspa. In it Odin summons the soul of a dead prophetess to Asgard(norse heaven)to foretell the future. Annoyed at being jerked from Hel on short notice she foretold the end of creation and the recreation...Ragnarok. There are similarities to Revelations. It is sort of long but interesting.

"The Song of the Sybil
(W H Auden & P B Taylor Translation)
Heidi men call me when their homes I visit,
A far seeing Volva, wise in talismans.
Caster of spells, cunning in magic.
To wicked women welcome always.

Arm rings and necklaces, Odhinn you gave me
To learn my lore, to learn my magic:
Wider and wider through all worlds I see.

Outside I sat by myself when you came,
Terror of the gods, and gazed in my eyes.
What do you ask of me? Why tempt me?
Odhinn, I know where your eye is concealed,
Hidden away in the well of Mimir:
Mimir each morning his mead drinks
From Valfather's pledge. Well would you know more?

Of Heimdal too and his horn I know.
Hidden under the holy tree
Down on it pours a precious stream from Valfather's pledge
Well would you know more?

Silence I ask of the sacred folk,
Silence of the kith and kin of Heimdal:
At your will Valfather, I shall well relate
The old songs of men I remember best.

I tell of giants from times forgotten.
Those who fed me in former days:
Nine worlds I can reckon, nine roots of the tree.
The wonderful ash, way under the ground

When Ymir lived long ago
Was no sand or sea, no surging waves.
Nowhere was there earth nor heaven above.
Bur a grinning gap and grass nowhere.

The sons of Bur then built up the lands.
Moulded in magnificence middle-Earth:
Sun stared from the south on the stones of their hall,
From the ground there sprouted green leeks.

Sun turned from the south, sister of Moon,
Her right arm rested on the rim of Heaven;
She had no inkling where her hall was,
Nor Moon a notion of what might he had,
The planets knew not where their places were.

The high gods gathered in council
In their hall of judgement. all the rulers:
To Night and to Nightfall their names gave,
The Morning they named and the Mid-Day,
Mid-Winter, Mid-Summer, for the assigning of years.

At Ida's Field the Aesir met:
Temple and altar they timbered and raised,
Set up a forge to smithy treasures,
Tongs they fashioned and tools wrought;

Played chess in the court and cheerful were;
Gold they lacked not, the gleaming metal
Then came three, the Thurs maidens,
Rejoicing in their strength, from Giant-home.

The high Gods gathered in council.
In their hall of judgement: Who of the dwarves
Should mould man by master craft
From Brimir's blood and Blain' s limbs?

Motsognir was their mighty ruler,
Greatest of dwarves, and Durin after him :
The dwarves did as Durin directed,
Many man forms made from the earth.

Nyi and Nidi, Nordri, Sudri, Austri and Vestri, Althjof, Dvalin, Bivor,
Bavor Bombur, Nori, An and Anar, Ai, Mjodvitnir, Veignr and Gandalf,
Vindalf, Thorin, Thror and Thrain, Thekkur, Litur, Vitur, Nar and Nyradur,
Fili, Kili, Fundin, Nali Hefti, Vili, Hanar, Sviur, Billing, Bruni, Bildur,
and Buri, Frar, Hornbori Fraegur, Loni, Aurvangur, Jari, Eikinskjaldi:
(All Durin's folk I have duly named,)

I must tell of the dwarves in Dvalin' s host;
Like lions they were in Lofar's time:
In Juravale's marsh they made their dwelling,
From their Stone hall set out on journeys,

There was Draupnir and Dolgthrasir, Har, Haugspori, Hlevangur, Gloi, Dori,
Ori, Dufur, Andvari, Skirvir, Virvir Skafidur, Ai, Alf and Yngvi,
Eikinskjaldi, Fjalar and Frosti, Finn and Ginnar: Men will remember while
men live
The long line of Lofar's forbears.

Then from the host three came,
Great, merciful, from the God's home:
Ash and Elm on earth they found,
Faint, feeble, with no fate assigned them

Breath they had not, nor blood nor senses,
Nor language possessed, nor life-hue:
Odhinn gave them breath, Haenir senses,
Blood and life hue Lothur gave.

I know an ash tree, named Yggdrasil:
Sparkling showers are shed on its leaves
That drip dew, into the dales below,
By Urd's well it waves evergreen,
Stands over that still pool,
Near it a bower whence now there come
The Fate Maidens, first Urd,
Skuld second, scorer of runes,
Then Verdandi, third of the Norns:
The laws that determine the lives of men
They fixed forever and their fate sealed.

The first war in the world I well remember,
When Gullveig was spitted on spear-points
And burned in the hall of. the high god:
Thrice burned, thrice reborn,
Often laid low, she lives yet,

The gods hastened to their hall of judgement,
Sat in council to discover who
Had tainted all the air with corruption
And Odhinn's maid offered to the giants,

At the host Odhinn hurled his spear
In the first world-battle; broken was the plankwall
Of the gods fortress: the fierce Vanes
Caused war to occur in the fields.

The gods hastened to their hall of judgement,
Sat in council to discover who
Had tainted all the air with corruption
And Odhinn's maid offered to the giants.

One Thorr felled in his fierce rage;
Seldom he sits when of such he hears:
Oaths were broken, binding vows,
Solemn agreements sworn between them.

Valkyries I saw, coming from afar,
Eagerly riding to aid the Goths;
Skuld bore one shield, Skogul another
Gunn, Hild, Gondul and Spearskogul:
Duly have I named the daughters of Odhinn,
The valiant riders the Valkyries.

Baldur I saw the bleeding God,
His fate still hidden, Odhinn's Son:
Tall on the plain a plant grew,
A slender marvel, the mistletoe.

From that fair shrub, shot by Hodur,
Flew the fatal dart that felled the god, .
But Baldur' s brother was born soon after:
Though one night old, Odhinn's Son
Took a vow to avenge that death.

His hands he washed not nor his hair combed .
Till Baldur's bane was borne to the pyre:,
Deadly the bow drawn by Vali,
The strong string of stretched gut,
But Frigga wept in Fensalir
For the woe of Valhalla. Well, would you know more?

I see one in bonds by the boiling springs;
Like Loki he looks, loathsome to view:
There Sigyn sits, sad by her husband,
In woe by her man. Well would you know more?

From the east through Venom Valley runs
Over jagged rocks the River Gruesome.

North, in Darkdale, stands the dwelling place
Of Sindri's kin, covered with gold;
A hall also in Everfrost,
The banquet hall of Brimir the giant.

A third I see, that no sunlight reaches,
On Dead Man's Shore: the doors face northward,
Through its smoke vent venom drips,
Serpent skins enskein that hall.

Men wade there tormented by the stream,
Vile murderers, men forsworn
And artful seducers of other mens wives:
Nidhogg sucks blood from the bodies of the dead
The wolf rends them. Well, would you know more?

In the east dwells a crone, in Ironwood:
The brood of Fenris are bred there
Wolf-monsters, one of whom
Eventually shall devour the sun.

The giants watchman, joyful Eggthur
Sits on his howe and harps well:
The red cock, called All-Knower
Boldly crows from Birdwood.

Goldencomb to the gods crows
Who wakes the warriors in Valhalla:
A soot red hen also calls
From Hel's hall, deep under the ground.

Loud howls Garm before Gnipahellir,
Bursting his fetters, Fenris runs:
Further in the future afar I behold
The twilight of the gods who gave victory.

Brother shall strike brother and both fall,
Sisters' sons defiled with incest;
Evil be on earth, an age of. whoredom,
Of sharp sword-play and shields clashing,
A wind-age, a wolf-age till the world ruins:
No man to another shall mercy show.

The waters are troubled, the waves surge up:
Announcing now the knell of Fate,
Heimdal winds his horn aloft,
On Hel's road all men tremble

Yggdrasil trembles, the towering ash
Groans in woe; the wolf is loose:
Odhinn speaks with the head of Mimir
Before he is swallowed by Surt's kin.

From the east drives Hrym, lifts up his shield
The squamous serpent squirms with rage
The great worm with the waves contending
The pale-beaked eagle pecks at the dead,
Shouting for joy: the ship Naglfar

Sails out from the east, at its helm Loki
With the children of darkness, the doom-bringers
Offspring of monsters, allies of the wolf,
All who Byleists's brother follow.

What of the gods? What of the elves?
Gianthome groans the gods are in council
The dwarves grieve before their door of stone,
Masters of walls. Well, would you know more?

Surt with the bane of branches comes
From the south, on his sword the sun of the Valgods,
Crags topple, the crone falls headlong,
Men tread Hel's road, the Heavens split open.

A further woe falls upon Hlin
As Odhinn comes forth to fight the wolf;
The killer of Beli battles with Surt:
Now shall fall Frigga's beloved.

Now valiant comes Valfather's son,
Vidar, to vie with Valdyr in battle,
Plunges his sword into he son of Hvedrung,
Avenging his father with a fell thrust.

Now the son of Hlodyn and Odhinn comes
To fight with Fenris; fiercest of warriors
He mauls in his rage all Middle-Earth;
Men in fear all flee their homesteads;
Nine paces back steps Bur's son
Retreats from the worm of taunts unafraid.

Now death is the portion of doomed men,
Red with blood the buildings of gods,
The sun turns black in the summer after,
Winds whine. Well, would know more?

Earth sinks in the sea, the sun turns black,
Cast down from Heaven are the hot stars,
Fumes reek, into flames burst,
The sky itself is scorched with fire.

I see Earth rising a second time
Out of the foam, fair and green;
Down from the fells fish to capture,
Wings the eagle; waters flow.

At lda's Field the Aesir meet:
They remember the worm of Middle-Earth,
Ponder again the great twilight
And the ancient runes of the high god

Boards shall be found of a beauty to wonder at,
Boards of gold in the grass long after,
The chess boards they owned in the olden days,

Unsown acres shall harvests bear,
Evil be abolished, Baldur return
And Hropt's hall with Hod rebuild,
Wise gods. Well, would you know more?

Haenir shall wield the wand of prophecy,
The sons two brothers set up their dwelling
In wide Windhome. Well, would you know more?

Fairer than sunlight, I see a hall
A hall thatched with gold in Gimle:
Kind Lords shall live there in delight for ever.

Now rides the Strong One to Rainbow Door,
Powerful from heaven, the All-Ruler:
From the depths below a drake comes flying
The dark dragon from Darkfell,
Bears on his opinions the bodies of men,
Soars overhead I sink now"


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3461705 - 12/07/04 10:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Damn that will take all night


But me will read it at some point :tongue:


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3461722 - 12/07/04 10:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Brother shall strike brother and both fall,
Sisters' sons defiled with incest;
Evil be on earth, an age of. whoredom,
Of sharp sword-play and shields clashing,
A wind-age, a wolf-age till the world ruins:
No man to another shall mercy show.


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3461751 - 12/07/04 10:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds exactly like the many Biker parties I went to in my younger years :kodama: :biggrin:


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3463626 - 12/08/04 10:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Odin could kick Yahew's ass any day of the week. :grin:

In fact, if it came down to having to choose a god to whole-heartedly believe in as the one true god....

.. it'd be Odin. He's the shamanistic seeker of Truth wherever he may find it and whatever he has to do to obtain it. :grin: Jesus might have hung on a cross for not even a day, but Odin hung himself on the World Tree for.. what was it... seven days? :lol: And that was his conscious choice. :wink:

Odin is no pussy god. :laugh:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: fireworks_god]
    #15037779 - 09/06/11 02:15 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Odin also have his own eye willingly to gain wisdom.


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Beefcakemighty]
    #15037805 - 09/06/11 02:21 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Scholar Hilda Ellis-Davidson draws a parallel between berserkers and the mention by the Byzantine emperor Constantine VII (AD 905–959) in her book De cerimoniis aulae byzantinae ("Book of Ceremonies of the Byzantine court") of a "Gothic Dance" performed by members of his Varangian Guard (Norse warriors working in the service of the Byzantine Empire), who took part wearing animal skins and masks: she believes this may have been connected with berserker rites.

The actual fit of madness the berserker experienced was referred to as berserkergang ("going berserk"). This condition has been described as follows:

    This fury, which was called berserkergang, occurred not only in the heat of battle, but also during laborious work. Men who were thus seized performed things which otherwise seemed impossible for human power. This condition is said to have begun with shivering, chattering of the teeth, and chill in the body, and then the face swelled and changed its colour. With this was connected a great hot-headedness, which at last gave over into a great rage, under which they howled as wild animals, bit the edge of their shields, and cut down everything they met without discriminating between friend or foe. When this condition ceased, a great dulling of the mind and feebleness followed, which could last for one or several days.

Theories about what caused berserker behaviour include ingestion of materials with psychoactive properties, psychological processes, and medical conditions.

Modern scholars believe certain examples of berserker rage to have been induced voluntarily by the consumption of drugs such as the hallucinogenic mushroom Amanita muscaria, commonly known as the fly agaric or fly Amanita,[9] or massive amounts of alcohol.[10] While such practices would fit in with ritual usages, other explanations for the berserker's madness have been put forward, including self-induced hysteria, epilepsy, mental illness or genetic flaws.


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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Beefcakemighty]
    #15037898 - 09/06/11 02:44 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

I'm still in touch with Hue almost daily.  Since he created this post he has virtually turned himself into one of these guys or something close.  He's the strongest guy I know and I used to hang out with lots of very strong guys.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Wisdom of the Ancient Norse [Re: Icelander]
    #15038091 - 09/06/11 03:25 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

Well, I know you and you know some strong guys, so I too, bask in the shadow of glory.


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