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SkorpivoMusterion
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I think, therefore I am...
#3457144 - 12/06/04 09:15 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Zen Koan: "Where are you between your thoughts?"
Heaven is the space between two thoughts.
I think therefore I am not there.
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CherryBom
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I guess thinks are far to complicated.
Just go...
Just be...
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deff
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Re: I think, therefore I am... [Re: CherryBom]
#3457213 - 12/06/04 09:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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"the mind thinks therefore "I" observe"
the location between two thoughts is not concrete like the concept might imply.
thoughts are not solitary and discrete bundles of brain function. they are intertwined workings that _cannot_ be observed through the mind itself - except in reference to the memory of thought much after the fact.
it's like a gradient of relative waves, and yet, nothing.
but the idea is nice
where are you "during" the "thoughts", and is it any different?
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SkorpivoMusterion
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Re: I think, therefore I am... [Re: deff]
#3457267 - 12/06/04 09:33 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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The "between" is the "where" [even for the briefest of "Now Moments"] and the return to it is what is referred to as "Stillness".
So Stillness was and is the "where" that you, I, we, never left but for when you, I, we, are lost in the formless tool of mind/intellect, thought.
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deff
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ok, that I agree with then
it's sort of like
'why get out of bed'
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Ravus
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The space between two thoughts is still a thought, because it must be thought about after the fact. Before that time, it did not exist, because you did not realize it and there was nothing there
The Tao that can be thought about is not the Tao. That is why philosophy is like observation in quantum mechanics- in the act of observing something that once was sacred, we change it into something normal and able to be defined. The beauty of it is lost
Before the concept of having space between thoughts was thought about, it may have been Heaven, but now everything is thoughts because of this thread
It was inevitable though, even if you hadn't thought about nonthought, everyone probably would've eventually
A thought about nonthought is still a thought, after all
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Re: I think, therefore I am... [Re: Ravus]
#3457345 - 12/06/04 09:45 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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too much linguistic logic
and very little true experience
FORGET ALL WORDS
and look again
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SkorpivoMusterion
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Re: I think, therefore I am... [Re: Ravus]
#3457577 - 12/06/04 10:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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The space between two thoughts is still a thought, because it must be thought about after the fact. If one has to speak about anything, one must first reduce it to a concept ? the alternative is to have primary experience, yet such experience cannot be communicated ? hence speech, concepts, etc. However, I am not speaking of the concept in and of itself, but That which the conceptual signpost points toward. Before that time, it did not exist, because you did not realize it and there was nothing there No-thing has primacy to every-thing; Stillness has primacy to such thoughts. Stillness is the only thing in this world that has no form. But then, it is not really a thing, and it is not of this vvorld.
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Edited by SkorpivoMusterion (12/06/04 11:00 PM)
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Ped
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I think, therefore I am overqualified to post here.
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Phred
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Re: I think, therefore I am... [Re: Ped]
#3458942 - 12/07/04 09:29 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bwahahaha!
That's one of the best posts I've seen in this forum for a long time. Kudos to Ped.
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Re: I think, therefore I am... [Re: Phred]
#3459391 - 12/07/04 11:49 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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My e-mail address is iam.there.foreithink@gmail.com, but shortly after making it, I realized that "I am *there* for I think" is false, heh. Then I realized that "there" implies specific locality so, in the name of non-locality, it makes perfect sense.
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