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 What is "wrong" with being "right"? 
#3446646 - 12/04/04 05:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Many here claim it as kind of a sin. Is it better to indulge in confusion and uncertainty? What if one ACTUALLY is right?
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 Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3446686 - 12/04/04 05:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Being correct is a very good thing. Saying your correct as a boost to ones own ego is when the intent comes into question.
Which is wiser Swami.......
Is it better to let people discover you are in fact correct ? or is it better to inform them you are correct ?
Of course that is dependent on the assumptions of the listener.
The point to be made is that people could care less if you think you are correct. They only care and give respect to the fact that you are in fact correct by their own observations 
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3446750 - 12/04/04 05:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats "wrong" is how CAN anybody know they are "right"?
Who or what confirms correct/real/right?
God? No, just your own belief.
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3446782 - 12/04/04 05:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is it better to let people discover you are in fact correct ? or is it better to inform them you are correct ?
I merely agreed with you in another thread. Would you rather me be antagonistic?
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3446803 - 12/04/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right and Wrong are provisional utilities of information organization. Knowledge, being provisional, and therefore UNCERTAIN, gives rise to the facts which we use to tally the Right/Wrong score.
Right and Wrong appears to be useful for communication, but can it ACTUALLY exist as a state of being? My intuition tells me it would be foolish to believe such a thing.
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3446819 - 12/04/04 06:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would you rather see my point and not take it personal
Not saying I am correct least I be accused of hypocrisy 
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Ego Death]
#3446833 - 12/04/04 06:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats "wrong" is how CAN anybody know they are "right"?
Experientially:
If one designs some hardware or software that functions as intended, it shows understanding of the concepts behind the theory. If one takes home trophies in a sport, it show that their approach is generally more correct than their opponents.
Historically:
If one is 20 for 20 out of real predictions made; there is the strong likelihood that the predictor understands how many of the variables at play interact better than most. This is called pattern recognition (not clairvoyance).
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3446933 - 12/04/04 06:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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but does that have anything actual to do with correctness? Likelihood, yes. But incontrovertable truth? Most certainly not
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: vampirism]
#3446980 - 12/04/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Where did "incontrovertible truth" come into play?
Why is confidence admired and despised at the same time?
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3447037 - 12/04/04 06:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drat, now we have to define right.
If you're talking strictly about cases with predictions and etc, then there is nothing "wrong" there.
Interpretting it as wrong would mean that there is a conflicting view which wants to succeed as the new "right" person/group.
Outside of incontrovertable truth, you only have clash of opinion. The predator is "right' in that sense up until he makes a miss and gets killed.
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3447038 - 12/04/04 06:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can you be absolutely right about a spiritual or philosophical issue? If you were always right people would not disagree...it would be self evident. I am using "you" in the general sense, not to mean Swami necessarily.
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3447076 - 12/04/04 06:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can you be absolutely right about a spiritual or philosophical issue? If you were always right people would not disagree...it would be self evident.
That is not true. The fact that my $20K remains intact after many years demonstrates as solidly as anything can, the "rightness" of my position on TESTABLE matters.
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3447083 - 12/04/04 06:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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"The fact that my $20K remains intact after many years"
Many issues here involve non spiritual moral issues. Your 20K has no bearing on them. By the way...you really got 20K to spend on that?
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3447087 - 12/04/04 06:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is not true. The fact that my $20K remains intact after many years demonstrates as solidly as anything can, the "rightness" of my position on TESTABLE matters.
and does that have anything to do with spiritual and philosophical issues???
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3447114 - 12/04/04 06:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Many here claim it as a kind of sin."
How many are these many, and do they have names?
What exactly are these many claiming?
What do you mean by a "kind of sin"?
As a newbie perhaps I missed something....
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: spudamore]
#3447123 - 12/04/04 06:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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and does that have anything to do with spiritual and philosophical issues???
It depends on whom is doing the defining does it not? "Spiritual" is a vague term representing some unkown or unknowable part of our "essence". That being said, ALL of my challenges have been related to paranormal claims made here on S&P, and usually made by self-proclaimed "spiritual" people. That is all I have to go on.
If someone says, I believe in OBEs; there is not much to debate. However, if someone says I can go to any remote location in my astral body, then they are ripe to be tested.
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3447132 - 12/04/04 06:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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what does paranormal claims have to do with spirituality?
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3447134 - 12/04/04 06:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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What if someone says "I believe in God"?
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: Swami]
#3447137 - 12/04/04 06:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You keep going on and on about your 20 grand and your silly bets.
Your ego is the biggest factor in your growth.
Take it as you will but.............. WOW
Good night
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Re: What is "wrong" with being "right"? [Re: spudamore]
#3447150 - 12/04/04 07:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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what does paranormal claims have to do with spirituality?
Why not ask the source; the people making the claims?
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