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OfflineMitchnast
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new speceis
    #344614 - 06/19/01 07:02 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)
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well i just found these today and i just dunno what they are. heres the lowdown.
attached gills, hollow, flexable stipe.
partial annualis when young, purple borwn sporeprint,
quite noticeable bluing reaction, growing in very old cattle barn compost not far from pan subbs and othr types of mush.
what oh what can they be?

Edited by Mitchnast on 06/19/01 09:06 PM.


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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #344615 - 06/19/01 07:04 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)
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more, notice the veil snapping on these youngsters.

Edited by Mitchnast on 06/20/01 03:25 PM.


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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #344712 - 06/19/01 09:04 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)
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some close ups

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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #344713 - 06/19/01 09:04 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)
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another



anybody want to hazard an ID on these?

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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #344843 - 06/20/01 12:18 AM (23 years, 1 month ago)

Damn, that's a puzzler!

General shape/ proportions/ gill spacing suggests Panaeolus. Bluing suggests "active." But the purple brown spores & partial veil just don't fit with Panaeolus. Would suggest Psilocybe or other Stropharicae but they just don't have that "look."

Maybe PM MJshroomer, if he doesn't reply here. If HE doesn't know, you might have something really odd. Maybe send some spore prints & dried specimens to the nearest university w/ a good mycology dept. & see what they can make of it. Maybe you'll get a new species named after you!


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Re: new speceis [Re: Woodsman]
    #345067 - 06/20/01 09:58 AM (23 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, cool mushrooms. I have no clue what it may be, I've been thumbing through my books looking for a possible candidate, but have found none that come close. I suspect there may be some composted wood in that barn compost, it doesn't look like a coprophilic mushroom to me. I'd be interested in what others have to say about this. Maybe email stamets and see what he thinks, I'm sure he'd be interested to hear about these. Just be very discrete and formal when emailing fungi perfecti.



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Re: new speceis [Re: Lizard King]
    #345130 - 06/20/01 11:16 AM (23 years, 1 month ago)

Your right about them not fitting the "look" of a psilocybe, woodsman. Did these mushrooms have any type of gelatinous pellicle, seperable or otherwise, mitch? Those are some strange mushrooms, just may be a new specie?



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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #345163 - 06/20/01 12:16 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)

I have no idea at all. Are you certain of the bluing? Take a few prints and I'll give it a go.

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Re: new speceis [Re: Workman]
    #345176 - 06/20/01 12:37 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)

man, look at the pics, you can see the bluing, you can see it even better with the actual specimines :)

ill scan the ones i got youll see its a purple-brown, but i dont think theres enough spores here to do shit with. but then, if you use agar, perhaps....

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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #345181 - 06/20/01 12:48 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)
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ok, heres the scan of the prints. as you can see, purple-brown, not black :)

Edited by Mitchnast on 06/20/01 02:51 PM.


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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #345182 - 06/20/01 12:49 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)
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here with photo enhancement and contrast so you can see the color better there is NO color modification, only brightness and contrast.

Edited by Mitchnast on 06/20/01 02:51 PM.


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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #345206 - 06/20/01 01:22 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)
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i threw this little sketch together to show what they look like fresh.

Edited by Mitchnast on 06/20/01 03:23 PM.


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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #345329 - 06/20/01 04:02 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Mitch,
Do you think it could be some kind of variation of psilocybe fimetaria or subfimetaria? Seems that one of those species can grow on dung, I can't remember which.

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Re: new speceis [Re: doo]
    #345333 - 06/20/01 04:08 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)

i really dont think so. the caps dont have a separable pellicle.
it certainly would be cool if i discovered such a speceis in nova scotia. there are lots of mushrooms that arent often mentioned on the shroomery tho. i reckon its probably one of them. :) like my drawing? :)

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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #345345 - 06/20/01 04:24 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)

Damn good drawing. You have a good eye for details.

I see the bluing in the photos, looks like you got something that'll do the trick. Keep us posted on the potency, if you decide to test'em.
It could be a new species, keep looking for more.

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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #345593 - 06/20/01 10:25 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)

Michnast please send me a small section of one of the prints.


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    #345828 - 06/21/01 07:42 AM (23 years, 1 month ago)

uuuggh i hate mail! OK. PM me with you address ind ill try to do it,

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Re: new speceis [Re: Mitchnast]
    #346108 - 06/21/01 04:45 PM (23 years, 1 month ago)

I think those are annuals. I found some really weirdies this morning, but what makes you think there isn't a book with that mushroom already in it? I mean, could you have read every book about mushrooms? Certainly not, I'd still like to help, and I think I can.


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