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Offlinedelian
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All Hail Emperor Bush!
    #344506 - 06/19/01 06:34 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)





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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: delian]
    #344571 - 06/19/01 08:11 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Man are you still bitter?????? ha ha ha

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #344681 - 06/19/01 10:33 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Damn right... Hail to the Thief!!... Although it is gratifying to see Smirk struggling so hard and so early in his Residency... his entire fascist agenda is already dead...

Restore Gore in 2004

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: zetek]
    #344979 - 06/20/01 07:56 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

****Although it is gratifying to see Smirk struggling so hard and so early in his Residency****

He's got more done than Clinton did at this stage....hmmmmm what will i do with my tax refund? $600

****Restore Gore in 2004****

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA..............Gore a dipshit...HA HA HA

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: delian]
    #344981 - 06/20/01 08:00 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

yeah right bush is a fucking idiot
its all about his personal interests

bush will be remembered as the worst president we've ever had. im convinced he cheated his way into office. Does everyone forget the fucking shadyness that surround that fuck in the election? people tend to forget that gore won the popular election. Of course the only state they had a problem in was dubyas little brothers state. welcome to communist commonwelath of america. we own you.



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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #345013 - 06/20/01 09:18 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

He's got more done than Clinton did at this stage




Yep. He's pissed off the chinese over the spyplane incident and by selling patriot missiles to the taiwanese. He's pissed off the whole of europe by abandoning the Kyoto agreement. And breaking news, he's pissed off russia to a high enough degree that they're threatening to start another nuclear arms race. Even his own government are turning against him...

Not being American, I don't know if I have a different opinion on him to you, but from where I'm sitting he's totally up his own arse, and is doing a really good job of turning the entire world against America.

But you got a $600 tax rebate, so I suppose that makes up for it all <ahem>



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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Phyl]
    #345020 - 06/20/01 09:55 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

****Yep. He's pissed off the chinese over the spyplane incident ****

I guess Bush could of just sold them our secrets like clinton did......and what difference does it make that we piss of the Chi-Coms?

****by selling patriot missiles to the taiwanese****

Taiwan is our ally..DUH!!..Maybe you didn't know that? Clinton would of sucked chinese dick and stab Taiwan in the back...no that's diplomacy.

****He's pissed off the whole of europe by abandoning the Kyoto agreement****

Can you name 2 countries that have ratified the Kyoto agreement? Actually there is only one country (i think Denmark) that has ratified it....Hell Even Japan hasn't ratified it let alone follow it. Do some research on this before you bring it up. It'll be less embarrasing for you.

And who cares if Europe is pissed...i don't...they never are happy.

****he's pissed off russia to a high enough degree that they're threatening to start another nuclear arms race****

Where did you hear this? Are you talking about the ABM treaty? First off the ABM treaty is null and void because the U.S.S.R. no lomger exist as the treaty was between the USSR and The United States. First of all Russia is too poor to keep up with us in an arms race...what do you think bankrupted them in the first place....besides...their weapons suck..ha

Again i can care less what russia says

****Even his own government are turning against him... ****

How? Mckain and Jeffries? They were liberals in the first place. The tax cut would of passed even without them. it was something like 60-40 (not exactly)


****Not being American, I don't know if I have a different opinion on him to you, but from where I'm sitting he's totally up his own arse, and is doing a really good job of turning the entire world against America. ****

The world already hates us..jealousy perhaps? Who knows but i as along with many other Americans can careless.

****But you got a $600 tax rebate, so I suppose that makes up for it all ****

It's a good start


Your political knowledge of America is lacking some. Before you start ripping on my country why don't we discuss your country.....what country would that happen to be...or are you embarrased?


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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Phyl]
    #345021 - 06/20/01 09:57 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I see your British...you have your own problems that you should work out before commenting on other countries.

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #345158 - 06/20/01 02:05 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Innvertigo, Don't take it so personal. That wasn't an attack against America or the American people, it was an attack against President Bush. I think you have a really beautiful country, and most American people are lovely (Some a bit misguided, but don't you get that everywhere). I just dont think Bush is doing your country any favours. All of us are part of a global community, and his attitude seems to be 'Fuck what the rest of the world thinks'. At the moment America is the only superpower, so to a degree can afford to do that, just don't expect to keep any friends along the way and remember things do change...

Don't forget that if you have a fair electorial system of proportional representation, Bush wouldn't be in office now, as overall Gore recieved more votes.

In reply to:

I guess Bush could of just sold them our secrets like clinton did......and what difference does it make that we piss of the Chi-Coms?




What difference does it make if you piss off a communist run country with nuclear capabilities? Well I'll leave that up to you to decide... Just doesn't seem too clever to me, and he didn't exactly approach the subject with much tact.

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Taiwan is our ally..DUH!!..Maybe you didn't know that?




Yes, I know that. That why you sold them the missiles. My point was that it was seen by the chinese as an attack against them.

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Can you name 2 countries that have ratified the Kyoto agreement?




You are right, not many countries have ratified the treaty. The difference is that every single other country who signed the treaty is intending to follow it, and eventually it would have been ratified. Infact all countries are still planning to follow it, dispite America's abandonment of it now making it a bit of a futile effort. The point here is that America is supposed to be an ally, and it doesn't make America look very trustworthy does it?

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And who cares if Europe is pissed...i don't...they never are happy.




I love your attitude...I can see why you've got a thing for bush... I'm a European, and things could be better, but I'm pretty happy. From what I've seen, I'd say most Europeans are happier with the way things are over here than Americans are with with the state of things in your country.

Don't you think it would be more productive to find out why they're pissed?

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Where did you hear this? Are you talking about the ABM treaty?



I'm talking about Putin announcing today that if the states proceed with their missile system that they are going to increase their nuclear capabilities in retaliation.

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Again i can care less what russia says



Why don't you become a diplomat? You'd be great...

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The world already hates us..jealousy perhaps? Who knows but i as along with many other Americans can careless



Nope, not jealousy. People don't like arrogance. I think your post speaks for it's self...

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Your political knowledge of America is lacking some. Before you start ripping on my country why don't we discuss your country.....what country would that happen to be...or are you embarrased?



I admit, I don't have a huge knowledge of American politics, I can only go by what I see on the news, and that is by no means all encompassing. It does give me enough information to build by own opinions though, which is what I have done.

You want to talk about my country? Go Ahead, I live in Britain. You wanna start?




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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Phyl]
    #345185 - 06/20/01 02:55 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

****I just dont think Bush is doing your country any favours****

Well he doesn't kiss ass like Clinton did.

****just don't expect to keep any friends along the way and remember things do change****

Oh yeah...we have no friends..ha

****communist run country with nuclear capabilities****

As a matter of fact the amount of nuclear missle china has compared the the U.S. is approx 500:1. Yes they could fire one and i may have the posibility of hitting California...but would they be dumb enough to do it? Before that first one hits there would be about a 100 impacting at the same time on china. Hence the best defense is a great offense.

****Don't forget that if you have a fair electorial system of proportional representation****

I guess we could have a royal family like in the fairy tales with kings and queens. If you don't understand the Electoral process then you don't know what you're talking about. We are not a democracy, we are a representative Republic...if i remember right i think we went to war with someone to become one..hmmmmm

****My point was that it was seen by the chinese as an attack against them****

I think it gives China an idea that we will back our allies...unlike Clinton would.

****The difference is that every single other country who signed the treaty is intending to follow it, and eventually it would have been ratified****

So your assuming they will ratify it? What's the hold up?..I believe Russia just signed it but as in the past any treaty with Russia is a waste of time. I can't remember the cliche' exactly but i think it goes like this. The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

****Don't you think it would be more productive to find out why they're pissed? ****

It's not the U.S's job to find out why Europeans are pissed that's your buddy Tony Blair to figure that out. Granted i don't want to piss them off for the sake of pissing them off, however just because we disagree with a lot of what Europe does doesn't mean we are trying to piss you off...we just might think you are wrong...

****I'm talking about Putin announcing today that if the states proceed with their missile system that they are going to increase their nuclear capabilities in retaliation****

So.....let them make nukes if they want..it's their country let them do what they want...that's why we're making this missle defense.

****Why don't you become a diplomat? You'd be great****

What am i supposed to cry every time a country doesn't agree with us? A majority of the countries in the world hate the US but are willing to take handouts from us. This is the life of an american..hated when doing good and hated for doing nothing..so i say it's a lose-lose situation...can you blame us americans for wanted to be isolated?

****Nope, not jealousy. People don't like arrogance****

No my friend it's called Confidence. Look it up

****You want to talk about my country? Go Ahead, I live in Britain. You wanna start? ****

Why would i want to talk about Britain? I have no interest or desire....maybe if we discuss the revolutionary war.......I did, however, enjoy the Imperial War Museum in London.....

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #345247 - 06/20/01 04:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Before that first one hits there would be about a 100 impacting at the same time on china. Hence the best defense is a great offense.

That's where I disagree. I think the best defense would be to not piss them off in the first place, then there wouldn't be the threat. You can't fight fire with fire... And if you try, someones gonna end up burnt.

If you don't understand the Electoral process then you don't know what you're talking about

I do understand the electorial process. It's virtually identical to the one we have in the UK, and I think both are flawed. Do you not believe that you vote should carry the same weight as everyone elses vote? Without proportional representation this doesn't happen. If you live in an area that mostly supports one party, but you don't, then you may as well not even bother voting as you wote is worthless. I believe this is fundamentally wrong.

As an example, I live in a conservative stronghold. I strongly dislike the conservative party, and voted for the Liberal Democrats. This made absoloutly no difference in the great scheme of things as there was no way the liberal demorats would win the seat, and so my vote was wasted. I believe all votes should be counted and added up at the end. This is the only way to get a true representation of the opinions of the country.

So your assuming they will ratify it? What's the hold up?..

As they say... Actions speak louder than words. What does it matter if the treaties are officially ratified? all that means is they get an official stamp of approval. What matters is whether the treaty is put into action, and so far every country is doing that.

It's not the U.S's job to find out why Europeans are pissed that's your buddy Tony Blair to figure that out

I'm talking about why people are pissed off with Bush. Tony Blair has nothing to do with that. Britain and America are supposed to be extremely close allies. If you pissed off one of your friends, would you not want to know why? Would you not try to make amends? Even if it was somethign you fundamentally disagreed on, shouldn't it be properly discussed?

just because we disagree with a lot of what Europe does doesn't mean we are trying to piss you off...we just might think you are wrong...

That's fair enough, you have the right to your own policies, just as anybody else does. It's bushes refusal to properly discuss these policies, and his refusal to listen to and comment on our opinions that is pissing people off. His attitude seems to be that he just doesn't care at all about the rest of the world, and that is what's causing friction, especially when the issues don't only affect America.

So.....let them make nukes if they want..it's their country let them do what they want...that's why we're making this missle defense

Sigh... Round and round in circles we go...

A majority of the countries in the world hate the US but are willing to take handouts from us

Why make the offer of handouts if you begrudge them so much? America recieves thanks for any handouts they make, but it seems you're not happy with that. I thought a these handout were charity in the name of what is right. Do you expect something in return if you give money to charity? Of course not, that's what charity is...

It's interesting that you think most of the countries in the world hate you, because that is simply not true. Most countries admire and look up to America. Yes opinions are changing, but this is because America isn't really doing that much to hold onto this. Just because you've done good in the past, doesn't mean you people other countries will go easy on you. This is politics, and is the same for all countries.

No my friend it's called Confidence. Look it up
You may see it as confidence, I see it as arrogance. The two can be very similar at times. How many times did you say 'I don't care' in these posts? That sounds pretty arrogant to me...

Why would i want to talk about Britain? I have no interest or desire....maybe if we discuss the revolutionary war.......I did, however, enjoy the Imperial War Museum in London.....

You suggested it, not me...
Let's quickly go back to that arrogance thing?!?

I think we obviously disagree pretty stongly on this, and I don't want to get into a big arument, so let's just agree to disagree. Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against the American people, my comments are aimed only at President Bush. I think America is a great country, I just feel that bush is alienating you from the global community at a tremendous rate, and I don't see how that is benefitting anyone.
I'm obviously not the only person who feels this way, as he didn't exactly recieve a warm reception when he arrived in europe. It's the only time I've ever heard of a demonstrating by mooning at a president... Pretty funny if you ask me :)

Take care

Phil

Edited by Phyl on 06/20/01 04:17 PM.



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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Phyl]
    #345423 - 06/20/01 08:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Phyl, I have to agree with you on the points you made. I hope all of you that live in another country realize that most Americans did not want this man as our president. He won the electoral process. So, he is our president, but over half a million people voted for the other guy.I hope the world realizes that we just have a really bad president right now.Frankly, Iam embarrassed by Bush. I just hope that everyone realizes that he does not represent a greater number of the American people or their views. The man can not even talk. He is clueless on the foreing policy front.Not to mention the fact that I can not think of one decision he has made where he has defended the average working people of this country. Decision after decision made benefit big oil,banks,big companies and hurt the avarage folk and the enviroment.The tax refund . Wow! I get a whole $300 bucks back.I'm not even going to go into that..In all, I think Bush sucks. Now,I'm pretty open minded person. I disagreed with the policies of Reagan, but I loved the man as a president. Bush is another matter. I tried listening to him speak during the debates hoping that he would actually answer a question and make some sence. He still doesn't make much sence.The man is simply an idiot.
I'm not trying to offend any body here. These are my views, and I'm just venting.
And yes,he has gotten a bit of stuff accomplish. But any president with a majority in both houses can steam roll the minority and accomplish their agenda.I would be impressed if he had accomplished these things with a democratically controlled house and senate.Now that the senate balanced has changed things will be a bit more interesting.
Bush needs to realized that America did not elect his right wing agenda. You would think that a president that arrived at the white house the way he did would take note that we have a nation that is more centered than his agenda.



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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Phyl]
    #345801 - 06/21/01 08:32 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

****That's where I disagree. I think the best defense would be to not piss them off in the first place****

So let me get this strait the chinese "JET" runs into our "PLANE" and it's our fault that they are pissed off? Did you know they do the same thing to the US? But hey lets be submissive and make everyone happy by kissing their ass. Sorry to say it but that's not the US...at least anymore.

****And if you try, someones gonna end up burnt. ****

Yeah the chinese.

****As they say... Actions speak louder than words****

And what action would that be? I can say i'm going to do things without having any intention on doing it.

****What matters is whether the treaty is put into action, and so far every country is doing that. ****

Not every country is following the protocal. a mojority of the country's are not following it. Japan isn't following their own protocal, England certainly isn't, Russia signed it and isn't following it....i could go on but this post could get very long. The Kyoto protocal is a joke and is bad for our country. If the rest of the world wants it then why don't they ratify it.

****I'm talking about why people are pissed off with Bush****

It doesn't matter whose in office as president. Europe will hate them and i think that is a problem you need to deal with not the US. I am all for an isiolationist america (Politically that is) I realize that the Global Economy cannot survive without all the world together but i refuse to be governed socially by the opinions of other countries.

****His attitude seems to be that he just doesn't care at all about the rest of the world****

Could it be possible that your opinions on us policy are wrong? Bush is doing what Clinton couldn't...he tells it like it is and europe is not used to that.

****Sigh... Round and round in circles we go****

Sounds like your trying to imply that the whole world should listen to Europe. You have the right to speak but you don't have the right to be heard.

****Do you expect something in return if you give money to charity? ****

I expect not to be hated when other country's turn their noses at poorer countries while we help them.

****It's interesting that you think most of the countries in the world hate you, because that is simply not true****

I look at it like this. People hate those who are in power or are at the top. "HATE" my seem rather harse maybe critical. For example many people like to bring up our history (all whopping 225 years) and mention how mean we are when England probably has one of the most disturbing history.

****How many times did you say 'I don't care' in these posts? That sounds pretty arrogant to me****

I can't bother myself when i hear how everyone hates us...should i cry then? If you want to ask questions about the US instead of accusing us of somthing then maybe i'll care.

****he didn't exactly recieve a warm reception when he arrived in europe****

We never do get a warm welcome

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #345863 - 06/21/01 11:13 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

So let me get this strait the chinese "JET" runs into our "PLANE" and it's our fault that they are pissed off? Did you know they do the same thing to the US? But hey lets be submissive and make everyone happy by kissing their ass. Sorry to say it but that's not the US...at least anymore.
Remember, there are 2 sides to every story. I'm not going to comment on who's fault this was, and the rights and wrongs of spying, as this is nothing to do with this topic. My opinion is that Bush could have acted with far more tact and diplomancy, and the entire situation would have been resolved much quicker without causing the levels of friction it did. The guy has no idea when it comes to foreign relations.

Not every country is following the protocal
What do you mean they're not following it? The protocol is a set of targets, you can't follow it, you can only work toward it. America is the only country that is not making any preparations to attempt to meet those targets.

The Kyoto protocal is a joke and is bad for our country
Why is it a joke? Willl the people of Florida think that when their houses are underwater?
The kyoto protocol is bad for every country, and everyone has to make sacrifices. The issue here is that this is global treaty which is addressing an extremely important matter, and Americas refusal to honor the treaty doesn't only effect America, but effects the entire planet. What option does the rest of the world have when America's emmissions increase, as after all this is what bush is planning through increased use of fossil fuelled power stations. It will then be up to the rest of the world to reduce their own emmissions even further, and to make further sacrifices, to try and compensate. America has the right to run their own country as they see fit, but I think this issue goes beyond those limits. I love this planet, and global warming is a real threat. What is Bush's answer to this? 'we don't really care'

It doesn't matter whose in office as president. Europe will hate them and i think that is a problem you need to deal with not the US.
Europe quite liked Clinton...

Could it be possible that your opinions on us policy are wrong?
Opinions are opinions. They are neither right nor wrong.

Bush is doing what Clinton couldn't...he tells it like it is and europe is not used to that.
He tells it like it is? His policies were not supported by the majority of Americans, so I don't see how that is 'like it is'. Like he wants it to be, perhaps, but not 'like it is'

Sounds like your trying to imply that the whole world should listen to Europe. You have the right to speak but you don't have the right to be heard.
We don't have the right to be heard? That's funny as I always thought we did have that right. To not listen is just impolite.
Bush has spoken, and has been heard loud and clear in Europe, and this just highlights what I'm talking about. What was Europes response to hearing things they didn't like? To hold a summit to discuss these issues with Bush. What was Bush's response? Well, it reminded me of a child sticking his fingers in his ears repeating 'la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la'.

I look at it like this. People hate those who are in power or are at the top.
No. People need a reason to hate someone. Simply being in power does not mean you are hated. If the people believe you are doing a good job, then you will be loved, just look at all the great leaders throughout history. To be hated, you have to do something to deserve that hate.

many people like to bring up our history (all whopping 225 years) and mention how mean we are when England probably has one of the most disturbing history.

I don't want to talk about your history or our history. That is nothing to do with this. The way I see things, history is exactly that. You cannot change what has happened, but you can work towards the future.

I can't bother myself when i hear how everyone hates us
You're pretty stuck on this one aren't you. Everyone doesn't hate you. I don't hate you, I just think your president is closeminded and don't believe he is doing good things either for the US or the rest of the world.

If you want to ask questions about the US instead of accusing us of somthing then maybe i'll care.
look, I'm not accusing you of anything. my criticisms are not aimed at you, or any other Americans, just Bush. You really need to chill...

We never do get a warm welcome
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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: delian]
    #345940 - 06/21/01 12:48 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

he's just a big dumb dumb who can't come up w/ his own answers so his speech writers do it for him or he's briefed and he needs a little nap because his heed done hurt from too much t'inking.



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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Phyl]
    #345946 - 06/21/01 12:56 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

****The guy has no idea when it comes to foreign relations.****

I think he's doing a good job...and that drives liberals CRAZY :smile:

****What do you mean they're not following it? The protocol is a set of targets, you can't follow it****

There you finally said it.  If you cannot follow it then you cannot measure it.  And yes there are many of the countries of the world who won't take the plunge and practice what they preach.

****Why is it a joke? Willl the people of Florida think that when their houses are underwater? ****

And you feel human's will be the cause of that? Very Naive.

****The kyoto protocol is bad for every country, and everyone has to make sacrifices****

Do i need to even comment on this statement?  I personally wouldn't want any country to do something that will be bad for that country...however you feel it's okay.

****What option does the rest of the world have when America's emmissions increase****

And i ask again..why don't them country's become a pioneer and see if the protocal works.....if it does so without destroying the infrastructure of that country then i would be for it.........so ah.....who's going first?

****Europe quite liked Clinton****

only 48% liked him in america

****Opinions are opinions. They are neither right nor wrong****

But they can be based on bullshit statistics...

****His policies were not supported by the majority of Americans****

Then why is his approval ratings very high?  I'm getting the feeling that you are basing your statements from what you hear from the (EXTREMELY LIBERAL) media....that is your first mistake

****We don't have the right to be heard? That's funny as I always thought we did have that right****

See you're missing the point.  You have the right to free speech......but that doesn't mean i have to listen to you.  i.e. you don't have the right to be heard

****No. People need a reason to hate someone****

Envy is, at times, a motive for hate

****I don't want to talk about your history or our history****

i was referring to a later time because when i was in london i wanted to see the other side of the revolutionary war....there's Tons of exhibits in the States but i only found 1 (granted i wasn't in every city) ehibit which was very small.

****You're pretty stuck on this one aren't you. Everyone doesn't hate you****

For future posts refer to HATE as dislikes..or other form that is less direct

****look, I'm not accusing you of anything. my criticisms are not aimed at you, or any other Americans, just Bush. You really need to chill.****

Well unfortunatly when there are people like me who don't jump on the global bandwagon everytime it comes around, there are people who criticize those that want to think about all the consequences instead of putting a bandaid on a bullet wound.

Chill?  I couldn't be more calm.  Since you don't know me you can look at my other posts in other forums and they are quite similar.  I don't normally get personal and i don't believe i did with you...

****Can i just ask, are you a Goth? ****

No...and you'd be quite surprised as to how i look...maybe that would be a good topic to start hmmmmmm

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Innvertigo]
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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: zetek]
    #346006 - 06/21/01 02:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

What? That's propaganda from the (EXTREMELY LIBERAL) media, you freakin' commie! Wait until Rush hears about this! Blow it out your ass because America rules, and everyone's jealous! Europeans can suck a big fat one, they're only mad because of McDonalds and Coke! I love McDonalds and Coke! And if those chinks get uppity, we'll nuke the little yellow bastards. I wish MacArthur was still around.

As far as Clinton's 48% approval, I don't think that was ever the case. His approval was almost always around 65 - 70% until the very end, when people were suffering from Clinton Fatigue. Even when he was getting head he was popular.

BTW, Dubya is a redneck fratboy rich kid who couldn't have worked his way to president if it wasn't for his last name and family's wealth. And there's nothing worse than a redneck fratboy.


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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: zetek]
    #346015 - 06/21/01 02:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

****The poll of 1,005 adults taken June 14-18, shortly after Bush's first visit to Europe since taking office****

HMMM 1005 people out of a possible 275,000,000 americans....oh that sounds acurate. Where was the poll taken, what demographic, ages ans knowledge of politics? The funny thing is that i haven't run into too many people that say this...therefore my polls would be as acurate.

i also saw a poll today that said Bush would win the Presidency if he ran against any liberal with 44% and by a greater margin (44% again with 3 people running) if dipshit Mckain runs as an independant....

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #346237 - 06/21/01 10:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

HA HA HA HA... Believe what you want... but Smirk is an idiot and is GONE (BIG TIME) IN 2004.... We didn't wan't him to begin with.

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    #346241 - 06/21/01 10:11 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #346488 - 06/22/01 05:44 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

There you finally said it. If you cannot follow it then you cannot measure it. And yes there are many of the countries of the world who won't take the plunge and practice what they preach.

Well we'll see. I'm willing to trust the countries, and will make my own judgements depending on how things unfold. My point is that America is the only country that has catagorically stated that they are not even going to attempt to meet the targets.

And you feel human's will be the cause of that? Very Naive.
I feel the jury is still out on this one, and it's far too great a risk to ignore until we either know one way or the other. Besides global warming, there are other issues as well such as the destruction of the Ozone layer.

I personally wouldn't want any country to do something that will be bad for that country...however you feel it's okay.
I believe that sacrifices need to be made for the greater good of the planet. Personally, I'd like people to do what they can to ensure Earth and Humanity is arround for as long as possible.

And i ask again..why don't them country's become a pioneer and see if the protocal works.....if it does so without destroying the infrastructure of that country then i would be for it.........
You mean like many countries are doing? Have you seen the plans for the wind farm power stations around the UK to replace a number of coal driven power stations? If properly managed, there needs to be no damage to a countries infrastructure. How about the huge rise in LPG fuel that is being introduced around the UK as a low polluting alternative to petrol ?

I'm getting the feeling that you are basing your statements from what you hear from the (EXTREMELY LIBERAL) media
If i don't base my opinions on things I hear from the media, then when am I supposed to base them on? You know that I live in the UK, and apart from forums such as this (Which are based on peoples personal opinions, and so can be even more biased than the media) the media is my only portal to information. I do however mostly watch the BBC, which has an extremely good reputation all over the world for unbiased and thorough reporting.

You have the right to free speech......but that doesn't mean i have to listen to you. i.e. you don't have the right to be heard
OK, you don't have to listen. However I would consider it rude if you didn't. I'm not saying that you should act upon what others are saying if you don't agree, but a refusal to acknoledge the opinions of others just appears arrogant.

i was referring to a later time because when i was in london i wanted to see the other side of the revolutionary war....
Which revolutionalry war are you referring to? Most countries have had one at some point. Which 'other side' did you want to see?

there are people who criticize those that want to think about all the consequences instead of putting a bandaid on a bullet wound
I believe that putting on the bandaid would be a good start if nothing else is available. At least it may slow the bleeding whilst looking for a better solution.

Chill? I couldn't be more calm. Since you don't know me you can look at my other posts in other forums and they are quite similar. I don't normally get personal and i don't believe i did with you...

OK, I apologise, I guess I read a bit more into some of your replies than you intented

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: zetek]
    #346514 - 06/22/01 08:00 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

who do you think will be able to beat him? Not Dashell(sp) or Gepheart(sp) they would get anialated. Mckain?...would get beat even worse..

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #346976 - 06/22/01 11:29 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

LOL.You make it sound like Bush won the white house by a land slide.(Like he is unbeatable).Remember, he got over half a million votes less than Gore. It sounds to me like he is vulnerable.Also remember that historically, presidents that get to the white house without winning the popular vote do not get re-elected. Who will be able to beat him? Anyone that wins the heart of the American public. Bush failed to do this.Mckain would not win,but he could hurt Bush if he ran.Just like the Green party hurt the democratic party in this past election.



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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: zetek]
    #347211 - 06/23/01 07:00 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

zetek, restore Gore in 2004? what an idiot. mister Gore, wanna be communist leader...I mean president, who is on the payroll of the American communist party. a party that is souly funded by Red China and Russia, U want this for president? FOOL

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Taz]
    #347338 - 06/23/01 01:14 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Taz, the nice men in the white coats are here to see you now.

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Taz]
    #347390 - 06/23/01 03:03 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Taz, take McCarthy's dick out of your ear. Your strawman arguments are lame.

Clinton/Gore pandered to big business. They did just about everything in the name of free market - things Reagan and Bush only dreamed of. Gore aint no Communist (he's an idiot sure, but no socialist) - if he truly is a socialist, than how do you explain his million dollar investment in Occidental? How do you explain his and Clinton's Plan Colombia which is near 2 billion dollars sent to the Colombian government in order to fight the Marxist guerillas and protect the coffee and oil industry from being nationalized?!? How do you explain his support of the WTO, NAFTA, FTAA, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, etc.?!? No socialist would ever take part in such big business schemes?

Sure, the Clintonoids (especially Gore & his wife) were all about protecting so-called family values - BUT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOCIALISM! That's just they're own closed-minded, "save the children! Let's make everyone listen to Fleetwood Mac!" attitudes.



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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: delian]
    #347391 - 06/23/01 03:05 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck Bush
Fuck Gore

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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #348009 - 06/24/01 05:58 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

****The poll of 1,005 adults taken June 14-18, shortly after Bush's first visit to Europe since taking office****

HMMM 1005 people out of a possible 275,000,000 americans....oh that sounds acurate. Where was the poll taken, what demographic, ages ans knowledge of politics? The funny thing is that i haven't run into too many people that say this...therefore my polls would be as acurate.

as it is a reuters poll, im sure it was a nationwide telephone survey of registered voters. besides, you then contradict yourself by using the same kind of figures with probably the same amount of people surveyed. as for the lack of your friends saying this, people who think alike often associate, so they are probably thinking the same thing as you. as for me, i hear this all day from my buddies and in my working class area. not to mention probably 90% of shroomerites feel the way the majority of this forum feels, he is an illegitimate president.



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Re: All Hail Emperor Bush! [Re: jihead]
    #348199 - 06/24/01 11:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

my opinion is basically every thing opposite of what taz posts. anyone who thinks bush is smart enough to run a nation has serious problems. the republicans i meet are either very rich or very very stupid- (taz) anyone who thinks that gore is communist and we need to restore that "good ole' american spirit!" by electing bush is daft. i mean really- how fucking stupid can you be?


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    #348388 - 06/25/01 05:44 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

lallafa's opinion show just how much of an idiot he really is. When did I say Bush made a good president? I never even mentioned Bush are the republicans. You, Lallafa, are such a stupid retard U can't seem to be able to read and understand what someone posts. U are the typical liberal dumbass who thinks that tearing down the nation is for the good of all. But if America ever does turn communist, then Lallafa will be the first one they shoot. They don't put up with such retards as yourself. God your a fuking idiot. I always thought that maybe U where just stupid from doing to many drugs, but now I'm convienced that you can't help that you where born such a loser and braindead..

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    #348451 - 06/25/01 08:09 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

****You make it sound like Bush won the white house by a land slide****

Who said that?? I just don't think there is a democrate NOW that could beat him. For the record i would of voted for harry browne if he had a chance in hell to win. Dashelle(sp) McKain, and Gepheart(sp) doesn't stand a chance...but hey mybe the liberal savior Gray Davis will run.

****Remember, he got over half a million votes less than Gore****

There was also 2 million votes not counted so that stat is useless. But i believe this is splitting hairs because the winner has won.

****Also remember that historically, presidents that get to the white house without winning the popular vote do not get re-elected****

If i remember right it only happened once before. And thet stat is as usefull as the detroit lions never do good on the 2nd week of december when the wind is blowing from the east.

****Who will be able to beat him? Anyone that wins the heart of the American public****

And WHO would that be?...noone that i've seen in the liberal party..John Carry perhaps..ha ha ha good luck... Instead of trying to win the HEART of the country, why don't they try to win the minds of the country....or are they too ignorant?...the supporters i mean.

****Bush failed to do this.Mckain would not win,but he could hurt Bush if he ran.Just like the Green party hurt the democratic party in this past election.****

Mckain would get the Moderates (liberals) not the conservatives and libertarians. the only thing the media is not reporting is Mckain has lost almost all of his support from the conservative end and is gaining support from the liberals..he would hurt the democrates more than the conservatives....I say bring him on.

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    #348455 - 06/25/01 08:20 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

****90% of shroomerites feel the way the majority of this forum feels, he is an illegitimate president****

Talk about being bitter..sheesh.. Get over it people the sun will rise tommarow and it will be ok.

If he's illegitamate does that then make the liberal majority in the Senate illegitamate? I can care less if he's considered illigitamate because when the smoke clears he's still YOUR president...ha ha ha..and that has to kill you..too badd..ha ha

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    #348595 - 06/25/01 01:46 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

taz- its the neanderthals like yourself who make the rest of the world hate America. I can feel the stupidity in your words.
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    #348746 - 06/25/01 06:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

"If he's illegitamate does that then make the liberal majority in the Senate illegitamate? I can care less if he's considered illigitamate because when the smoke clears he's still YOUR president...ha ha ha..and that has to kill you..too badd..ha ha"

not really, its a different analogy. and yes, it does kill me, and all the other people who fear the power of stupidity in posistions of great importance.




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    #349837 - 06/27/01 08:26 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

neanderthal? was that a bad thing?

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    #349843 - 06/27/01 08:31 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

****not really, its a different analogy****

No it's the right analogy you're just too blind to see it

****it does kill me****

just like the last 8 years killed the "thinkers" of society

****fear the power of stupidity in posistions of great importance****

ha ha ha ha..... too bad...will you be ok?

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