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"Socialism" Indian Reservations.
    #3442851 - 12/03/04 05:46 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Indian reservations are miniature centrally planned, socialist economies run by the federal gov. bureau of Indian affairs, complete with soviet style "five year plans". they are the very epitome of socialism and its destructiveness. the ones who left the reservations to establish successful gambling casinos and numerous other kinds of business's are for the first time building their own middle class communities. Indian leaders understand capitalism will be there economic salvation, not the hell hole reservations.

The federal gov. spends over 5 billion annually on behalf of the 500,00 Indians that live on reservations. more than 10,000 per person or 40,000 for a family of four. these figures do not include alot of state, local and private money (assistance).

and what does the American tax payer get in return? Social and economic devastation on reservations. litigation, and political rhetoric.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3442887 - 12/03/04 05:52 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

My understanding was that Indian Reservations were considered to be like their own sovereign nations with their own government. And the casinos, as far as I'm aware are mostly on reservation land, which is the only reason they're able to have them, since gambling is illegal in most of the states that have Indian casinos. I could be wrong about all this, but what you're saying sounds directly contrary to everything I've heard about them.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3442997 - 12/03/04 06:21 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Also, we have to take into consideration that the land given to different tribes for their reservations was the most-absolute piss-poor land that could be found. Not to mention that the native animal populations that they had previously sustained themselves on were slaughtered en masse by "American" settlers, just for the hell of it. Not to mention that there are documented cases of the federal government "donating" a bunch of blankets to Indian reservations, only to later admit that they knew that the blankets had previously been used in small-pox wards (they admit this after tons of indians start dying of small-pox in secluded reservations).

No, I don't think the Indian reservation represents "true socialism" - I think it represents the demeaning, genocidal attitude that "Americans" have had towards the native populations here since they sailed over. They are nothing short of concentration camps, small consellation prizes saying "well hey, instead of killing the rest of you off, we'll give you this shit-hole to live in..." :sad:

And I believe SS7 is right, the casinos are on reservation land - otherwise they would be illegal.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3442999 - 12/03/04 06:22 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

yes sorry, its on the reservation but the one i am familiar with is separate from the original town reservation. the bingo hall is right off the highway. and it has helped that reservation. they used the money from the bingo hall to build a new town on the reservation. and there is a big difference between the old socialist town and the new one. the people who refused to work at the business just stayed in the old town drinking all day and waiting for the welfare check to arrive.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3443015 - 12/03/04 06:26 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

i did some volunteer work at one and its sad what we are doing to them now. DEPENDENCE... all the smart ones get the fuck off that reservation as fast as they can. "integration"


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3443046 - 12/03/04 06:36 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

i can not even explain how sad it was. i asked a supervisor why there seemed like so many people who looked kinda of retarded. he said there is alot of inbreeding and the police and courts do nothing about it. he pointed out a 13 year old girl who was pregnant by her father.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3443113 - 12/03/04 07:06 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Krishna you are right about the land. the reservation i visited was literally on swamp land. but the people had no interest in trying to make it better.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3443696 - 12/03/04 10:26 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
yes sorry, its on the reservation but the one i am familiar with is separate from the original town reservation. the bingo hall is right off the highway. and it has helped that reservation. they used the money from the bingo hall to build a new town on the reservation. and there is a big difference between the old socialist town and the new one. the people who refused to work at the business just stayed in the old town drinking all day and waiting for the welfare check to arrive.



So the new town is on the reservation, right? So that means that what you said about that reservation is only true of one town in it. Please don't make generalizations about all Indian Reservations based on one town.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3443708 - 12/03/04 10:29 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Just thought I'd add that Russel Means, actor and founder of the American Indian Movement, is a registered Libertarian.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3443818 - 12/03/04 11:08 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

ill second not making generalizations.  i strongly disagree with the gov's way fo doing things.  heres soem of what goes on here (i have indian friends and the mother in law was a social worker for many of teh bands here).

so to start the gov gives them a whack of money and things like no taxes, buying them off.  i should point out that here they were putting them in residential schools and using them liek slaves much liek the black community but in my opinion worse...just smaller scale.  the cheifs of many are quite corrupt.  its common to see run down houses, bunch of half cars in the yard and garbage everywhere.  very sad.  but much of the money that is given to the "reservation" stops at the cheif and "government".  you can tell who they are...nice house, big trucks.

there is also a HUGE alcoholism problem.  nuff said there.  welfare is big and unemployment is big.  however before we start calling them lazy bums think about it.  many of these peopel were themselves put through the res. schools and beaten, raped, forced into english all sorts of horrible things (in beautifull canada...).  by the way every one of the indians i have made friends with either were themselves or their older relatives went through this process.  anyway.  racism is HUGE here.  in the schools most of the kids stay away from the indians and just make chug jokes and laugh about them drinking lucky (the schools here offer LOTS of decent education about indian affairs in our, canadian, past.  also offer their language as a course from grade 6 on).  so jsut tryin gto get a job is actually quite hard, very sad.  yes inbreeeding does happen here but not as bad as it seems wher eyou are.  teenage pregnancy is big.  which i dont see as a bad thing if they are prepared and want one, but they just dont know what it entales.  they have been warped to shit so what can we expect? 

you dont completely fuck over a race, decide its wrong, pay them off so they will like you again and expect it to all be well.  we fucked it in the past and we continue to fuck tehm now.  i have no respect for the government on this issue.

but every country/band is different, so that is just here.

edit-i said they put them in schools i mena early-mid 1900's.  not anymore :smile:


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: kadakuda]
    #3443832 - 12/03/04 11:13 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

sorry about the generalizations, i just feel we are fucking them over AGAIN.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3443868 - 12/03/04 11:25 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

i 100% agree with that, but when did "we" ever stop?


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: kadakuda]
    #3444005 - 12/04/04 12:13 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

I feel our society as a whole is oppressing them. For we are giving them just barely enough to survive. The land is crap the fact that we play them as a victim is bull shit. I know that we fucked them over in the past but today we are doing the same.

We need to empower the society and let them make their own paths, instead of throwing money at them! We need to integrate the people and encourage their participation in the "now!"

Fuck this shit, I am to drunk and if I go on I will just get more mad.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: rezzan1]
    #3444237 - 12/04/04 01:34 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

perhaps us saying we need to give them this help them that is exactly what they dont need. i think the best thing for them, and a few shared my beliefs, is if we just fuck off and stop playing god. shit its like we are a research team studing the mysterious dingo. not only do we fuck it up, how bad does this shit make a person feel?

they have got to be the most kind people in history. to actually go along and even talk to white people, to me, is a freaking miracle. if ti were me id be loading my guns to this day. i dotn get how they can take it. really dont.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: kadakuda]
    #3444262 - 12/04/04 01:50 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

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kadakuda said: if ti were me id be loading my guns to this day. i dotn get how they can take it. really dont.



Most of them are peaceful, spiritually enlightened, and dont feel the need to sink to our level.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: Pathos]
    #3444282 - 12/04/04 01:57 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

yup. more mature than i have the capability to be. thats why i hold so much respect. far bigger people than i, and i supsect most of the world. i actually find it hard to realise just how they can do it. it would be liek having jews go to school and live amongst nazis 60 years after ww2. well sorta. i find it really cool that even after all this the kids (after been ass hole teens liek every other kid in school) go back to threir roots and are full swing into their believfs and so proud of it. the local language in a few of teh trivbes here was almost completely eradicated and only a few people, 6 if i remember corect, still knew it after all the school shit happened. i had teh honor to go to school when she was teaching. very cool old lady. such neat stories and so willing to share and treat people with respect. we could learn a thing or two from them.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3444636 - 12/04/04 06:21 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Indian leaders understand capitalism will be there economic salvation, not the hell hole reservations.

Which "Indian leaders" are you referring to?


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: Xlea321]
    #3445046 - 12/04/04 09:23 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

We do not only do this to native amaricans but also many other races and social classes. I think that the government is smart enough to know what they r doing to these people. I think that they just do not care, or they feel we need a certain unemployment rate and uneducated group to do the lower class jobs. Manual laborers, fast food workers... I mean this society does whats good for business, and keeping wages low, and labor costs down is good for business.

I have a lot of crazy ideas.

I also feel that out of all the races we oppress the indians as a whole are the most oppressed group. I have seen the land we have given them and I also have seen what are government funding does to their nations.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: rezzan1]
    #3445817 - 12/04/04 03:18 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

land we gave them? that jsut dont sit right with me. first we robbed tehm or "their land". but as many of the bands here believe the land is no bodies, its everythings to share. they respect and give back to the earth they take from and realise that it is not theirs to rape. all the tribe wars were kinda like the rights to use the land moreso than owner ship.


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Re: "Socialism" Indian Reservations. [Re: kadakuda]
    #3450676 - 12/05/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

Well we technically took their land away from them. Then we said that they could have this land instead. IMO we did give them that land, weather it was our land rightfully or not we technically bought it or claimed it then gave it to them.

Not to say I do not agree with your previous statement. Just thought I should clarify what I meant.

It would also be really nice to have thier reality in our society. But unfortunaly that is not true for the majority of the world.


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