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Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS
    #3438528 - 12/02/04 04:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Marijuana Use Linked to Psychosis

URL of this page: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_21596.html (*this news item will not be available after 12/31/2004)

Reuters Health Information
Wednesday, December 1, 2004

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Young people who smoke marijuana are at increased risk for developing psychosis, new research shows. The risk is particularly high for people who are predisposed to the reality-distorting mental illness, such as those with an affected family member.

"There is a public health message here," senior author Dr. Jim van Os, from Maastricht University in the Netherlands, told a news conference. "While it would be very difficult to expect young people to stop using (marijuana) altogether, they could be made aware of the possible negative consequences of taking the drug if they had a family history of psychosis."

Although a link between marijuana use and psychosis is well established, the direction of the association is unclear. That is to say, while cannabis use may cause psychosis, it is also possible that people predisposed to psychosis are simply more likely to use cannabis -- a theory called the self-medication hypothesis.

"To our knowledge, no (forward-looking) study to date has tested this hypothesis using information on predisposition for psychosis in relation to later" marijuana use, the researchers note.

As reported in the British Medical Journal, the researchers analyzed data from 2437 subjects, between 14 and 24 years, who were followed for 4 years. Standardized personal interviews were performed at the start of the study and at follow-up to assess predisposition to psychosis, marijuana use, and psychotic symptoms.

Marijuana use when the study began raised the risk of psychotic symptoms at follow-up by 67 percent, the researchers point out. As noted, the risk was most pronounced in subjects with a predisposition to psychosis.

In contrast, a predisposition to psychosis did not increase the likelihood of marijuana use at follow-up, which refutes the self-mediation hypothesis, the team says.

Marijuana use "moderately increases the risk of psychotic symptoms in young people but has a much stronger effect in those with evidence of predisposition for psychosis," the researchers conclude.

SOURCE: British Medical Journal, December 1st online issue, 2004.



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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Asante]
    #3438592 - 12/02/04 04:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I can see that sort of being true, as is the case with any drug that alters the way your mind works. I think people with strong and flexible minds however, should be at no risk.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Asante]
    #3438807 - 12/02/04 05:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Is there anywhere I could find the exact experiment procedure along with a detailed analysis of the results. That article is incredibly subjective in its results. Also i don't see how how they got roughly a thousand people to start smoking pot for 4 years while controlling all of the confounding variables..

Also psychosis is an incredibly vague term.

While i wholeheartedly agree that marijuana like most mind altering substances can induce the onset of psychosis in people who are predisposed to it, i doubt that people who are 100% psychologically healthy have a moderately increased risk of psychotic symptoms solely from smoking pot.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3438813 - 12/02/04 05:15 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Lots of things will lead into people into "psychotic" thoughts. I don't like it when people pair drug use and problems, there's far too much context that needs to be taken into account.
I can pretty much pass this up as bullshit, seeing as how I have a far better grasp on my reality than many others (Which isn't saying much). I'd say a good 90% are walking around like zombies, completely asleep... thank goodness for places like the shroomery.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Asante]
    #3438870 - 12/02/04 05:27 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Just In:  MARIJUANA USE  linked to  PSYCHOSIS




LOL! :lol:

That is nothing new.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #3439038 - 12/02/04 06:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about the word psychosis. 

I've just looked up several definitions, and they all seem very broad.  Here is one:

Quote:

psy?cho?ses (-sz)
A severe mental disorder, with or without organic damage, characterized by derangement of personality and loss of contact with reality and causing deterioration of normal social functioning.




here is another:

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PSYCHOSIS: A mental condition whereby the patient completely loses touch with reality. 




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Meaning of PSYCHOSIS
Pronunciation:    sI'kowsis


Medical Dictionary
 
  Definition:  Mental disturbance of serious magnitude that may be characterized by loss of contact with reality. Delusions and hallucinations are often present.





And the last one, which is most helpful:

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Psychosis is a psychiatric classification for a mental state in which the perception of reality is distorted. Persons experiencing a psychotic episode may experience hallucinations (often auditory or visual hallucinations), hold paranoid or delusional beliefs, experience personality changes and exhibit disorganized thinking (see thought disorder). This is sometimes accompanied by features such as a lack of insight into the unusual or bizarre nature of their behavior, difficulties with social interaction and impairments in carrying out the activities of daily living.






I guess by that last definition, I am psychotic!  :stoned:


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Asante]
    #3439126 - 12/02/04 06:17 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Cannabis psychosis! I knew it was true. I suffer from it myself.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Asante]
    #3440554 - 12/02/04 11:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i definetely could see this happening if the kid started smoking at age 14 or so.
the brain is still under developement and altho pot is fairly safe in moderation, heavy usage could alter brain patterns...


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: d33p]
    #3440976 - 12/03/04 03:36 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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D33P said:
While i wholeheartedly agree that marijuana like most mind altering substances can induce the onset of psychosis in people who are predisposed to it, i doubt that people who are 100% psychologically healthy have a moderately increased risk of psychotic symptoms solely from smoking pot.




Hey I just published the paper here in Health because it belongs here!

Personally I believe that psychosis can only occur in people who are genetically predisposed towards it. That it must be a wedding between organic factors in the brain and facilitating events in the outside world and beliefs system.

But it's this disposition thing that counts. 1-2 people in 100 are schizophrenics, we know this because they get fullblown episodes which leave no doubts. Then there are schizoaffective people and people tripped into a reactive psychosis, brief psychotic disorder and on top of that there must be people with a disposition to it who lead such a quiet life they do not get psychosis or get the wrong diagnosis.

All in all I believe that at least one in ten people are predisposed and thus at risk for developing psychosis.
Until the Human Genome Project supplies us with the answers we need a figure and this is a pretty sharp one.

This means that many who visit the Health forum because "something is not right" are in the dangerzone where it comes to psychosis.
Being a mod at Other Drugs Discussion and a devourer of tons of threads :smirk: I see there's a lot of polydrug use going on that multiplies the individual risks of the drugs involved.

Since pot is surrounded by a myth that it is totally harmless, and I found this article on MEDLINE yesterday, I decided to post it here so people with problems (who might be predisposed to getting psychosis) can read once more that allthough pot has a great safety for most, it is not safe for everybody.

I'm doing this for the good of the community.
We are a pro-drug site, but people should keep their eyes open to real risks, as drug research (especially in holland) isn't all Freevibe and WOD. Pot tends to be very safe, but some people should not use it.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Asante]
    #3441056 - 12/03/04 05:36 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I have a question. . .what about people who smoke pot for the first time and run around screaming that they're going to die. Do these types of people seem to have underlying mental illnesses such as schizophrenia and the like? Or do they just have terribly weak egos or something. Keep in mind that I know people who have done this and experienced tons of other drugs and could handle them very well.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Asante]
    #3441086 - 12/03/04 06:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well the only problem I have with this study is that it pales in comparrison to word-of-mouth :smirk:

There are a lot of young people who smoke marijuana. Lots of them smoke it regularly, on a daily basis.

So why don't we have more psychotics running around? I've never heard of someone losing their mind due to marijuana, until now.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: trendal]
    #3441677 - 12/03/04 10:25 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

If you got a population that would get 10 psychotics, now it would be 17. That's quite significant but due to the low prevalence of psychosis they are few and far between.

People end up in mental hospitals for it. That's not the scene you or I hang out but here in Holland it is known and accepted throughout the medical community that its a fact.

It's the chicken and the egg. But it's found that a genetically predisposed chicken lays 1.67 eggs on pot instead of 1.
So like the article I want to stress that people with psychosis in their family or their past should best abstain from smoking pot.

I bet TOXLINE has a stack of papers on it, click it in my sig.

Psychosis is usually an indirect process btw with the person coming unstuck in weeks instead of inbetween tokes.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Asante]
    #3442092 - 12/03/04 12:00 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So like the article I want to stress that people with psychosis in their family or their past should best abstain from smoking pot.

I would urge anyone with a family history of psychosis or other "serious" mental ilness to obstain from using ALL drugs. If your mind is already teetering on the hairy edge of insanity, it won't take that much to push you off the deep end :wink:


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: trendal]
    #3442104 - 12/03/04 12:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

True. However, admittedly, I have a rather serious mental illness, and I've found weed to be quite palliative. Of course, that's just me...


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3442110 - 12/03/04 12:06 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe if you're already that nuts...you just can't get any worse :wink:

:lol: I kidd!


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: trendal]
    #3442123 - 12/03/04 12:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You may be onto something there! :biggrin:


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Asante]
    #3458538 - 12/07/04 03:53 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

about 2 years ago i was smoking marijuana regularly, combined with a stressful time in my life, and some hefty shroom experiences...and i experienced a psychotic break, while under the influence of marijuana, that lasted beyond the drugs effects.

I remember i was sitting on geokills couch, actually, completely convinced that the government knew that i was thinking certain things, waiting for them to burst down the door at any second to arrest me.  I dont mean i was just thinking this, i mean i was shaking, completely convinced that this was going to happen...completely lost my grip on reality.  I would pinpoint that as the actual moment when it happened, since i had been having shorter episodes prior to that.  After that it just went downhill...i would sit down and talk to people, and be thinking the most ass-backward things, completely convinced that they were true...eventually i started to question what i was thinking, and went and got help.

Was on respirtol(sp?) for a while, which left its mark on me, no question.

Took me roughly 2 years to become comfortable with the herbs again, and even now i still find myself slipping here and there.  I find that if i just channel all that bullshit into my guitar when im high, life is ok.

but enough of my bullshit,

I think the more important thing to focus on is whether or not one is succeptable to a psychotic break to begin with...becuase if you are, any majorly stressful event, or a number of substances can trigger that break to happen.

Not suprising, but amusing :smile:


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Kremlin]
    #3520004 - 12/19/04 10:21 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #3520034 - 12/19/04 10:35 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit man, you don't do mushrooms do you?!


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #3520039 - 12/19/04 10:36 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #3520580 - 12/19/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Dude, that's really not a good idea if you have schizophrenia.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #3522544 - 12/19/04 10:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i always knew there was truth to that old movie "reefer madness"


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: frogger25]
    #3523029 - 12/20/04 12:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #3523703 - 12/20/04 08:58 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I have to say that I think that long term use of weed is more destructive than most people think. I certainly have experienced psychotic mental states while stoned. I am a different person when I'm (extremely) stoned, and that sort of scares me.

I've tripped on mushrooms maybe 30 times, my max dose was 50g fresh or 7g dry, and mushrooms have never been as scary as being stoned sometimes has been.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: MrBump]
    #15716136 - 01/25/12 12:50 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

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MrBump said:
i definetely could see this happening if the kid started smoking at age 14 or so.
the brain is still under developement and altho pot is fairly safe in moderation, heavy usage could alter brain patterns...




Happened to me.  I'm 24 now and quit about a year ago.  I've become quite unstable and have no sense of self.  It's especially tough because I have a very overachieving family and I am crumbling in front of them.  It's pathetic.  Smoked to escape from my discomfort about my childhood.  Bad idea.  I have no life plan and don't see myself lasting much longer.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #15716147 - 01/25/12 12:52 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

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ricochet said:
figured I would post here. I posted a much longer story in this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3461072/an/0/page/0


so, it's definitely not a new discovery but I think more people need to know the very real threat associated with smoking pot and having undiagnosed mental issues, depression, anxiety, etc. it's a great drug for many, but there is a very real threat of being a catalyst for underlying mental problems that could result in a full blown psychotic episode for some.




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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15716159 - 01/25/12 12:57 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Holy old thread bump!

Wow, I was 17 back when I posted in this thread. :lol:


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #15716174 - 01/25/12 01:03 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

Looks like we are about the same age.  I don't know if you originally felt these negative effects from marijuana.  If so, are the feeling resolved?


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15716235 - 01/25/12 01:25 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

do you realize the national institute of mental health has changed it's position on marijuana causing schizophrenia? the results of the studies were no greater then those found in the general population... visit their website if you don't believe me... do not confuse recreational drug use psychosis with a schizophrenia... as a matter of fact, the APA requires at least sixs months pass before the last drug induced psychotic episode to pass before that type of diagnosis can be made now... the problem is they place people on powerful anti-psychotics instead of mild ones and don't let them ride it out... if you're schizo from drugs you've been screwed by science.... flawed science.. why dig up a 7 year old thread? why not just read it and ponder? my opinion the results of these studies were clinically insignificant and that's why the NIMH flipped it's decision... you better do some reading and reevaluate your illness, unless you enjoy the meds, in which case enjoy!

i can't believe how deeply this has dug in... this was a tool to scare the shit out of people by the anti-drug culture, and it worked like a dream it seems...



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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: cateyes]
    #15719455 - 01/26/12 02:21 AM (12 years, 5 days ago)

I can't believe pot smokers can deny every single negative thing said about it just because they love smoking it.  Hey, that used to be me.  What about the people who have done drugs, realized they were bad for them, and want to warn others about the ill effects?  By the way, they said pot brings out schizophrenia in people already susceptible to developing it, not that it causes it.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15719539 - 01/26/12 03:37 AM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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I can't believe pot smokers can deny every single negative thing said about it just because they love smoking it.  Hey, that used to be me.  What about the people who have done drugs, realized they were bad for them, and want to warn others about the ill effects?  By the way, they said pot brings out schizophrenia in people already susceptible to developing it, not that it causes it.





first off fried brain, i don't smoke weed... get it! don't confuse drug induced psychosis with schizophrenia man... why would the NIMH say there was no connection? and don't hand me the bullshit they are... the APA american psychiatric association clearly warns the pdocs to make sure it isn't drug induced and if it is give it at least 6 months to dissipate before raising dosages... and maybe it will bring it out in someone who is predisposed to developing it later in life but it will only happen if it is going to happen and in the vast majority of the cases it doesn't happen even when it is going to happen... hey man, you can warn all you want, i'm putting out what i've learned about it and i once had schizoaffective disorder for 8 fucking years and i recovered so just goes to show you what the fuck the APA and their band of blood letting Pdocs know...

do you have schizophrenia? i can help you man, or are you happy on your meds? it's up to you man... you could go back to smoking marijuana... i shit you not!

why would you raise a 7 year old thread from it's grave is beyond my comprehension...
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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: cateyes]
    #15720358 - 01/26/12 11:04 AM (12 years, 5 days ago)

I am not schizophrenic.  But since you have/had schizoaffective disorder, why don't you go smoke a joint now and see how it effects you?  We can have a first hand account instead of talking about studies.  As far as bringing an old thread back, who cares?


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15720797 - 01/26/12 01:37 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

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brainfry said:
I am not schizophrenic.  But since you have/had schizoaffective disorder, why don't you go smoke a joint now and see how it effects you?  We can have a first hand account instead of talking about studies.  As far as bringing an old thread back, who cares?




what kind of person are you? telling someone to smoke weed when they said they don't... i told you i was cured of the shit... i told you my doctors have proved their theories including smoking weed are flawed... what is your malfunction duuuude!!! your anxiety is getting the best of you fool... U R A ******  I've read your posts... i know what your problem is... i've seen that you are having a hard time... this can all be behind you Fried Brains... Seriously Dude... You'll learn one thing about me duuuude... i don't bullshit Fried Brains...

and i know several dozens of schizophrenics who smoke at least a half an ounce each week... so so much for your studies... i use psilocybin at least once a month... did you even read the NIMH position on the matter? i'm looking at it right now... here dude, you need this... thank me when you're cured... better yet give me 5 shrooms for putting up with your shit, while remaining willing to reach out to you...

Depersonalization and Derealization can be cured fast! Let me explain...... Click on Me Fried Brains...

(edit) this program comes with a 100% money back... it has psychologists and trained councilors available to help you if you have a question regarding application of the program... it's been used widely throughout Germany and the UK and is used by psychologists in their own private practice...


Helloooooo... you're acting like an absolute fool now... you come here and dig up 7 year old threads... who does this short of FRIED BRAIN? ONLY A FRIED BRAIN DOES THIS!!! U R SPESHUL....



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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: cateyes] * 1
    #15721043 - 01/26/12 02:43 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Try reading my first post and reevaluate what you think I'm trying to say.  It sounds like you are perfectly fine with other people smoking weed, yet you realized it's not for you personally.  Now the question is, why don't you smoke?  I think you realize it's not good for you.  I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any scientists theories or claims because the truth is, if one person suffers so greatly from a drug induced psychotic state,  that person isn't going to look at the study and say "Oh never mind, I must be imagining these thoughts and feelings."  I think a majority of people can smoke and be perfectly fine, but when a select few come forward and say that marijuana had a tremendous impact on their personality and thought patterns, no one can dispute it.  It seems like you  are more frustrated about the fact that this is an old thread that was brought back up.  I've seen older.  Chill out.  This is no way to treat a new member.  As far as that program, it doesn't quite apply to me.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15721120 - 01/26/12 03:02 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

if you consider psychosis to be any kind of thought which seems out of the ordinary...sounds like a bunch of bunk to me...this is the sort of thing that terence mckenna warned us about


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15721191 - 01/26/12 03:18 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

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Try reading my first post and reevaluate what you think I'm trying to say.  It sounds like you are perfectly fine with other people smoking weed, yet you realized it's not for you personally.  Now the question is, why don't you smoke?  I think you realize it's not good for you.  I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any scientists theories or claims because the truth is, if one person suffers so greatly from a drug induced psychotic state,  that person isn't going to look at the study and say "Oh never mind, I must be imagining these thoughts and feelings."  I think a majority of people can smoke and be perfectly fine, but when a select few come forward and say that marijuana had a tremendous impact on their personality and thought patterns, no one can dispute it.  It seems like you  are more frustrated about the fact that this is an old thread that was brought back up.  I've seen older.  Chill out.  This is no way to treat a new member.  As far as that program, it doesn't quite apply to me.





i see... thought you had trouble with DR because of the way you were posting. i could have sworn you said or described DR... as far as weed goes it's just a health lung thing... i smoked maybe 8-9 months ago? when i used to attend the schizo meetings you'd be amazed how much schizos smoke... the problem with some of them is they tend to stop taking their meds... many do well off of them but three tripped up real bad.. now whether they would have had problems on meds i can't say but i can say i was hospitalized twice while using all of my meds everyday faithfully... the entire theory of mental illness is queer to say the least... i found out Tuesday i can sue my psychiatrists ass off because he failed to determine underlying health issues, health issues that are extremely common among people with any form of non drug induced psychosis and he was required to rule out anything that could be linked to my symptoms. we shall see exactly where this goes... but you have to understand why i absolutely despise modern psychiatry and many others before and after me...

i realize that weed can trip people over but i've only known one and that was when i was 16 and he recovered within 3 weeks or so if i remember right. but he was a seriously chronic smoker and was more a meth fiend then a weed fiend... :shrug: my thing is it's obviously clear to the individual that they have a problem, but someone reading this thread will get the impression weed causes schizophrenia which just isn't true and that's why i became involved with the thread. i view drug propaganda with complete disdain because it's OK to put someone on a psyche med but it's illegal to trip or smoke weed when the statistics are that an anti-psychotic hurts more people in one year then marijuana has in it's history of use...

sorry for the old thread shit and welcome to the shroomery. if i can help you in anyway just let me know... what is your difficulty if it's cool to ask? 

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    #15721226 - 01/26/12 03:27 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

i'd like to try and help you out... i'll PM U if it's OK?


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: cateyes]
    #15721426 - 01/26/12 04:20 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment about "medication" being harmful.  I was one of the many children in the early 90's diagnosed with adhd.  I was given a variety of pills from age 6-18.  So if it wasn't the pot use or the broken home, the pills sure didn't help me develop into an optimistic and productive member of society.  I think I am full of excuses and resentment.  I wish it wasn't the case, and I truly wish I could start over.  I don't like my personality and think it's damn near impossible to change knowing what I know.  A lot of practice being lazy and negative.  Feel free to pm me, maybe we can figure something out.


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    #15721916 - 01/26/12 06:08 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: cateyes]
    #15722652 - 01/26/12 08:51 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Speechless?  That's surprising.


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    #15722751 - 01/26/12 09:16 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

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