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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #3520580 - 12/19/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Dude, that's really not a good idea if you have schizophrenia.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #3522544 - 12/19/04 10:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i always knew there was truth to that old movie "reefer madness"


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: frogger25]
    #3523029 - 12/20/04 12:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #3523703 - 12/20/04 08:58 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I have to say that I think that long term use of weed is more destructive than most people think. I certainly have experienced psychotic mental states while stoned. I am a different person when I'm (extremely) stoned, and that sort of scares me.

I've tripped on mushrooms maybe 30 times, my max dose was 50g fresh or 7g dry, and mushrooms have never been as scary as being stoned sometimes has been.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: MrBump]
    #15716136 - 01/25/12 12:50 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

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MrBump said:
i definetely could see this happening if the kid started smoking at age 14 or so.
the brain is still under developement and altho pot is fairly safe in moderation, heavy usage could alter brain patterns...




Happened to me.  I'm 24 now and quit about a year ago.  I've become quite unstable and have no sense of self.  It's especially tough because I have a very overachieving family and I am crumbling in front of them.  It's pathetic.  Smoked to escape from my discomfort about my childhood.  Bad idea.  I have no life plan and don't see myself lasting much longer.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #15716147 - 01/25/12 12:52 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

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ricochet said:
figured I would post here. I posted a much longer story in this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3461072/an/0/page/0


so, it's definitely not a new discovery but I think more people need to know the very real threat associated with smoking pot and having undiagnosed mental issues, depression, anxiety, etc. it's a great drug for many, but there is a very real threat of being a catalyst for underlying mental problems that could result in a full blown psychotic episode for some.




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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15716159 - 01/25/12 12:57 PM (12 years, 6 days ago)

Holy old thread bump!

Wow, I was 17 back when I posted in this thread. :lol:


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #15716174 - 01/25/12 01:03 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

Looks like we are about the same age.  I don't know if you originally felt these negative effects from marijuana.  If so, are the feeling resolved?


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15716235 - 01/25/12 01:25 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

do you realize the national institute of mental health has changed it's position on marijuana causing schizophrenia? the results of the studies were no greater then those found in the general population... visit their website if you don't believe me... do not confuse recreational drug use psychosis with a schizophrenia... as a matter of fact, the APA requires at least sixs months pass before the last drug induced psychotic episode to pass before that type of diagnosis can be made now... the problem is they place people on powerful anti-psychotics instead of mild ones and don't let them ride it out... if you're schizo from drugs you've been screwed by science.... flawed science.. why dig up a 7 year old thread? why not just read it and ponder? my opinion the results of these studies were clinically insignificant and that's why the NIMH flipped it's decision... you better do some reading and reevaluate your illness, unless you enjoy the meds, in which case enjoy!

i can't believe how deeply this has dug in... this was a tool to scare the shit out of people by the anti-drug culture, and it worked like a dream it seems...



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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: cateyes]
    #15719455 - 01/26/12 02:21 AM (12 years, 5 days ago)

I can't believe pot smokers can deny every single negative thing said about it just because they love smoking it.  Hey, that used to be me.  What about the people who have done drugs, realized they were bad for them, and want to warn others about the ill effects?  By the way, they said pot brings out schizophrenia in people already susceptible to developing it, not that it causes it.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15719539 - 01/26/12 03:37 AM (12 years, 5 days ago)

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I can't believe pot smokers can deny every single negative thing said about it just because they love smoking it.  Hey, that used to be me.  What about the people who have done drugs, realized they were bad for them, and want to warn others about the ill effects?  By the way, they said pot brings out schizophrenia in people already susceptible to developing it, not that it causes it.





first off fried brain, i don't smoke weed... get it! don't confuse drug induced psychosis with schizophrenia man... why would the NIMH say there was no connection? and don't hand me the bullshit they are... the APA american psychiatric association clearly warns the pdocs to make sure it isn't drug induced and if it is give it at least 6 months to dissipate before raising dosages... and maybe it will bring it out in someone who is predisposed to developing it later in life but it will only happen if it is going to happen and in the vast majority of the cases it doesn't happen even when it is going to happen... hey man, you can warn all you want, i'm putting out what i've learned about it and i once had schizoaffective disorder for 8 fucking years and i recovered so just goes to show you what the fuck the APA and their band of blood letting Pdocs know...

do you have schizophrenia? i can help you man, or are you happy on your meds? it's up to you man... you could go back to smoking marijuana... i shit you not!

why would you raise a 7 year old thread from it's grave is beyond my comprehension...
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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: cateyes]
    #15720358 - 01/26/12 11:04 AM (12 years, 5 days ago)

I am not schizophrenic.  But since you have/had schizoaffective disorder, why don't you go smoke a joint now and see how it effects you?  We can have a first hand account instead of talking about studies.  As far as bringing an old thread back, who cares?


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15720797 - 01/26/12 01:37 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

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brainfry said:
I am not schizophrenic.  But since you have/had schizoaffective disorder, why don't you go smoke a joint now and see how it effects you?  We can have a first hand account instead of talking about studies.  As far as bringing an old thread back, who cares?




what kind of person are you? telling someone to smoke weed when they said they don't... i told you i was cured of the shit... i told you my doctors have proved their theories including smoking weed are flawed... what is your malfunction duuuude!!! your anxiety is getting the best of you fool... U R A ******  I've read your posts... i know what your problem is... i've seen that you are having a hard time... this can all be behind you Fried Brains... Seriously Dude... You'll learn one thing about me duuuude... i don't bullshit Fried Brains...

and i know several dozens of schizophrenics who smoke at least a half an ounce each week... so so much for your studies... i use psilocybin at least once a month... did you even read the NIMH position on the matter? i'm looking at it right now... here dude, you need this... thank me when you're cured... better yet give me 5 shrooms for putting up with your shit, while remaining willing to reach out to you...

Depersonalization and Derealization can be cured fast! Let me explain...... Click on Me Fried Brains...

(edit) this program comes with a 100% money back... it has psychologists and trained councilors available to help you if you have a question regarding application of the program... it's been used widely throughout Germany and the UK and is used by psychologists in their own private practice...


Helloooooo... you're acting like an absolute fool now... you come here and dig up 7 year old threads... who does this short of FRIED BRAIN? ONLY A FRIED BRAIN DOES THIS!!! U R SPESHUL....



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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: cateyes] * 1
    #15721043 - 01/26/12 02:43 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Try reading my first post and reevaluate what you think I'm trying to say.  It sounds like you are perfectly fine with other people smoking weed, yet you realized it's not for you personally.  Now the question is, why don't you smoke?  I think you realize it's not good for you.  I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any scientists theories or claims because the truth is, if one person suffers so greatly from a drug induced psychotic state,  that person isn't going to look at the study and say "Oh never mind, I must be imagining these thoughts and feelings."  I think a majority of people can smoke and be perfectly fine, but when a select few come forward and say that marijuana had a tremendous impact on their personality and thought patterns, no one can dispute it.  It seems like you  are more frustrated about the fact that this is an old thread that was brought back up.  I've seen older.  Chill out.  This is no way to treat a new member.  As far as that program, it doesn't quite apply to me.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15721120 - 01/26/12 03:02 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

if you consider psychosis to be any kind of thought which seems out of the ordinary...sounds like a bunch of bunk to me...this is the sort of thing that terence mckenna warned us about


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15721191 - 01/26/12 03:18 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

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Try reading my first post and reevaluate what you think I'm trying to say.  It sounds like you are perfectly fine with other people smoking weed, yet you realized it's not for you personally.  Now the question is, why don't you smoke?  I think you realize it's not good for you.  I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with any scientists theories or claims because the truth is, if one person suffers so greatly from a drug induced psychotic state,  that person isn't going to look at the study and say "Oh never mind, I must be imagining these thoughts and feelings."  I think a majority of people can smoke and be perfectly fine, but when a select few come forward and say that marijuana had a tremendous impact on their personality and thought patterns, no one can dispute it.  It seems like you  are more frustrated about the fact that this is an old thread that was brought back up.  I've seen older.  Chill out.  This is no way to treat a new member.  As far as that program, it doesn't quite apply to me.





i see... thought you had trouble with DR because of the way you were posting. i could have sworn you said or described DR... as far as weed goes it's just a health lung thing... i smoked maybe 8-9 months ago? when i used to attend the schizo meetings you'd be amazed how much schizos smoke... the problem with some of them is they tend to stop taking their meds... many do well off of them but three tripped up real bad.. now whether they would have had problems on meds i can't say but i can say i was hospitalized twice while using all of my meds everyday faithfully... the entire theory of mental illness is queer to say the least... i found out Tuesday i can sue my psychiatrists ass off because he failed to determine underlying health issues, health issues that are extremely common among people with any form of non drug induced psychosis and he was required to rule out anything that could be linked to my symptoms. we shall see exactly where this goes... but you have to understand why i absolutely despise modern psychiatry and many others before and after me...

i realize that weed can trip people over but i've only known one and that was when i was 16 and he recovered within 3 weeks or so if i remember right. but he was a seriously chronic smoker and was more a meth fiend then a weed fiend... :shrug: my thing is it's obviously clear to the individual that they have a problem, but someone reading this thread will get the impression weed causes schizophrenia which just isn't true and that's why i became involved with the thread. i view drug propaganda with complete disdain because it's OK to put someone on a psyche med but it's illegal to trip or smoke weed when the statistics are that an anti-psychotic hurts more people in one year then marijuana has in it's history of use...

sorry for the old thread shit and welcome to the shroomery. if i can help you in anyway just let me know... what is your difficulty if it's cool to ask? 

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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15721226 - 01/26/12 03:27 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

i'd like to try and help you out... i'll PM U if it's OK?


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: cateyes]
    #15721426 - 01/26/12 04:20 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment about "medication" being harmful.  I was one of the many children in the early 90's diagnosed with adhd.  I was given a variety of pills from age 6-18.  So if it wasn't the pot use or the broken home, the pills sure didn't help me develop into an optimistic and productive member of society.  I think I am full of excuses and resentment.  I wish it wasn't the case, and I truly wish I could start over.  I don't like my personality and think it's damn near impossible to change knowing what I know.  A lot of practice being lazy and negative.  Feel free to pm me, maybe we can figure something out.


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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: brainfry]
    #15721916 - 01/26/12 06:08 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Just In: MARIJUANA USE linked to PSYCHOSIS [Re: cateyes]
    #15722652 - 01/26/12 08:51 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Speechless?  That's surprising.


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