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Who is your God?
    #3435419 - 12/02/04 01:04 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

Breifly explain who your god is and what he means to you. Sometimes we take simple things and make them complex....

I haven't really figured it out enough to be confident about it, but I'm learning as much as I can while I develop my sense of 'god'. I think it's essentially me... all the good parts, anyway. You too, and the entire collective. I like to think of Mother Earth in a feminine, child bearing-type way taking care of all of us, her children. I guess to me 'god' is something feminine, but I think I am just less receptive to the male side because of my gender.

That is simple, I think. Tell me all about yours now.


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: CherryBom]
    #3435433 - 12/02/04 01:06 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

I think I just basically explained who my God is on the thread about Christians being denounced.  :grin:


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Frog]
    #3435436 - 12/02/04 01:07 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

I saw that, I thought it was a really cool perspective and I liked it.


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: CherryBom]
    #3435455 - 12/02/04 01:13 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

In the universe there are many things.
Some things are better than other things.
My God is the best thing.

I know that I am not the best thing.


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: CherryBom]
    #3435482 - 12/02/04 01:18 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

In the most simple, basic definition: I believe God is No-thing which is mother of every-thing.

I put together a very descriptive post on this matter in another thread, I'll share it here:


There is no god in the sense of a cosmic father or mother who will provide all things to their children. Nor is there some heavenly bureaucracy to petition. These models are not descriptions of a divine order, but are projections from archetypal templates. If we believe in the divine as cosmic family, we relegate ourselves to perpetual adolescence. If we regard the divine as supreme government, we are forever victims of unfathomable officialdom.

Those who follow Tao declare that there is no evidence that a god created our world. They have not found any empirical proof, and they cannot accept the idea philosophically. They reason that god must be absolute and this means oneness, omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. Naturally, anything separate and distinct would not satisfy this criterion. If there was a god and a world that god created, then there would be two things ? and god could not then be considered absolute. If there were an absolute god, there could not be anything separate from god.

Everything is god. We are also god. However, we fail to realize this. Why? Because we look for god outside of ourselves. We make the mistake of taking ourselves as the viewer and then seek god as the object of our examinations. Unfortunately, everything we perceive is tainted by our subjectivity, and anything that we define as god ?out there? cannot be god because it is not absolute. All you?ve found is something that exists in relation to your perceptions.

You are god. The only way to confirm this is to remove the barrier of subjectivity that prevents you from realizing your essential oneness with all things.

?Who is God? I can think of no better answer than, He who is. Nothing is more appropriate to the eternity which God is. If you call God good, or great, or blessed, or wise or anything else of this sort, it is included in these words, namely, He is.? ? St. Bernard.

The Universal-Mind, or ?No-Mind? as it is called in the East [Zen], is the centered state of Being that lies within the middle-way of all that is. I am, This is, He/She is. All these are existent prior to all subjective mind-made labels, ideologies, and dualities. This is the Mind of God that has primacy to all that exists subjectively. It is essentially nothing, and yet paradoxically, at the same time it is infinity&totality... The Infinite Mind of God.

We can understand something of what lies beyond our experience by considering analogous cases lying within our experience.

The ground in which the multifarious and time-bound psyche is rooted is a simple, timeless awareness. By making ourselves pure in heart and poor in egoic-spirit we can discover and be identified with this awareness. In the spirit we not only have, but are, the unitive knowledge of the divine Ground.

Analogously, God in time is grounded in the eternal Now of the modeless Godhead. It is in the Godhead that things, lives and minds have their being; it is through God that they have their becoming ? a becoming whose goal and purpose is to return to the eternity of the Ground.

In teachings such as Meister Eckhart?s, God is equated with nothing? And in a certain sense the equation is exact; for God is certainly no thing. God is not a what; He is a That. In other words, the Ground can be denoted as being there, but not defined as having qualities. This means that discursive knowledge about the Ground is not merely, like all inferential knowledge, a thing at one remove, or even at several removes, from the reality of immediate acquaintance; it is and, because of the very nature of our language and our standard patterns of thought, it must be, paradoxical knowledge. Direct knowledge of the Ground cannot be had except by union, and union can be achieved only by annihilation of the self-regarding ego, which is the barrier separating the ?thou? from the ?That.?

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Re: Who is your God? [Re: CherryBom]
    #3435487 - 12/02/04 01:19 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

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CherryBomb said:
I saw that, I thought it was a really cool perspective and I liked it.




It is far easier to make God fit our needs.

But that does not change God


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435509 - 12/02/04 01:24 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

So tell me, fucknuckle, what you mean?


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Frog]
    #3435547 - 12/02/04 01:33 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

Oh I am sorry i was not saying anything about your post

Oops I can see how you may have seen it that way. My head is very tired.

I was more reacting to the staement of "A cool perspective"

Meaning that I see a lot of different views on what God is.

But as Christian I know who and what God is.

So all I was saying is that God is God despite what anyone thinks


I didn't even read your post

But I am going now

He leaves.............


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435558 - 12/02/04 01:36 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

Uh huh.  :grin:

God is many things, many perspectives.  I don't think you can call any one perspective "wrong".  The bottom line, imo, are the 10 Commandments.  If we don't know how to have a relationship with God, at  least we have those.


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435563 - 12/02/04 01:37 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

That's kind of arrogant, dont' you think? What makes you so sure that your way is the 'right' way?

Everyone should discover a spiritualness that is unique to them. As unique as your 'god' made each and every one of us.


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: CherryBom]
    #3435602 - 12/02/04 01:47 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

No I don't think anything I said was arrogant

I know Jesus I know his words. I have seen his works live thru me.

I know what God is and I know what a lot of people say he is.

I know they are wrong. That is not arrogance it is stead fast knowledge and I am just saying what I know to be true.


If a person feels any discomfort in my beliefs then I would say they are wavering in there own beliefs.

The fact remains that God is God despite what anyone thinks he may or not be.

I think a person can call him different names and have a relationship under different religious text. But when people start off with " I fit God to my own personal feelings" Then I just Hear God saying they have it wrong.

Having a relationship with God is Work. God does not conform to you. You conform to him


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435618 - 12/02/04 01:51 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

Fucknuckle, at least have the humility to say that what you know is your own personal belief.  why would you tell someone else he or she is wrong in their belief simply because it doesn't coincide with what you have come to believe?

And keep in mind that I am on your side.  You have said a lot of wonderful things on this forum.  You are just seeming to be a little, um, well, not arrogant, but maybe a little stodgy.  :grin:

'Course, that's okay, too, I guess.  You may be right.  We may be crazy.  :grin:


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Frog]
    #3435625 - 12/02/04 01:53 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

Well all I can say is I read what was written about Jesus and fully take the New testament for Face value.

Jesus himself was sometimes viewed as Stodgy

LOL....... You said Stodgy


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435640 - 12/02/04 01:57 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

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LOL....... You said Stodgy




Um, if we are talking about God and Jesus, is it still okay to tell you to "fuck off"???

If not, I won't.  Just curious.  :grin:

Probably the subject of a new thread, but do you think it offends God when we say things like "fuck off"?  Or do you think He's laughing His ass off??

:grin:  :grin:  :grin:

Keep in mind...I love God so very much.


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Frog]
    #3435642 - 12/02/04 01:57 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

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why would you tell someone else he or she is wrong in their belief simply because it doesn't coincide with what you have come to believe?
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Because my number one task as a ambassador of Jesus is to tell the truth and spread the good news. Right??

I mean what if Jesus himself had just pussy footed it around and pacified people. What would have happened?? Nothing

No it is my requirement as a Christian to hold the truths of Christ for what they are. It is God I want to please not Man


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435644 - 12/02/04 01:58 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

But as Christian I know who and what God is.


Question: Does this mean you believe everybody else who is of a different religion in the world, is doomed to the same fate as all other non-[Christian]God believers, i.e. Satan's wrath and eternity in Hell?



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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Frog]
    #3435648 - 12/02/04 01:59 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

No telling someone to FUCK OFF is fine in the eyes of God

What do you think Jesus was yelling when he threw the Change tables across the floor. He was pissed off

Righteous angry is fine


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #3435651 - 12/02/04 02:01 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

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SkorpivoMusterion said:
But as Christian I know who and what God is.


Question: Does this mean you believe everybody else who is of a different religion in the world, is doomed to the same fate as all other non-[Christian]God believers, i.e. Satan's wrath and eternity in Hell?






I can not say what will happen to others when they die. That is between God and them. I can only say what Jesus said.

You will never hear me condem anyone that is for God to decide.


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435659 - 12/02/04 02:04 AM (12 years, 11 days ago)

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Fucknuckle said:
Quote:

Frog said:
why would you tell someone else he or she is wrong in their belief simply because it doesn't coincide with what you have come to believe?
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Because my number one task as a ambassador of Jesus is to tell the truth and spread the good news. Right??

I mean what if Jesus himself had just pussy footed it around and pacified people. What would have happened?? Nothing

No it is my requirement as a Christian to hold the truths of Christ for what they are. It is God I want to please not Man




Amd that is such an excellent point! That is my point!!

See, it is not my job to convert people or preach the word. But maybe it is your job!

My job is to be a vessel for God to work through to accomplish His goal in the legal industry. This means I am not going to be converting people. This means that while I am doing what I think might be God's will, I will be leading a life that if people analyzed it, they could say that I lived a Christian life. But I am not converting people.

You, on the other hand, believe that you are here to spread the WORD and convert people. Good for you! See? We all have different tasks to perform while we are here.


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Re: Who is your God? [Re: Frog]
    #3435688 - 12/02/04 02:14 AM (12 years, 10 days ago)

i think jerry is god (on guitar at least)


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