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Invisibleredgreenvines
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conversations with myself
    #3434928 - 12/01/04 11:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I have these conversations in my head - some in prelude to imagined postings here - formulations, then back to doing the stuff I do, then the chatter builds as we refine our nut again. then this, which is "spontaneous" but not un meditated.

sometimes I awaken as I mute the TV after a news segment. where was I?

I guess I miss the chatter, and then it gets to be quite enough too. musing about different modalities in this dream of life.


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3434937 - 12/01/04 11:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You think that is bad

I talk to myself and myself and God and Satan


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435017 - 12/01/04 11:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i had a vision once on salvia that every new suggestion in your head is posed by one of your spirit guides.. like they whisper in your ear to lead you to what they want you to find out .. well just crazy talk but i believe it and life my life by it


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: bmarley3434]
    #3435339 - 12/02/04 12:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'm curious as to the identity of these 'spirit guides' that are whispering in my ear.


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: CherryBom]
    #3435528 - 12/02/04 01:28 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

As  Christians we identify 3 voices or persons really.


You

God,Jesus,holy spirit...... all the same if you ask me but others say they are separate

Satan

A stead fast Prayer life will allow you to know who you are hearing. And only a very serious Prayer life will allow this :thumbup:

And to do the works of God you will need to know the difference


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435542 - 12/02/04 01:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

"A stead fast Prayer life will allow you to know who you are hearing. And only a very serious Prayer life will allow this"

I disagree. I believe that God has had influence on my life without the need for me to have a "serious Prayer life".

Maybe some need to be in serious prayer, but maybe others of us don't need to be in serious prayer. Maybe others of us can just enjoy a relationship with God.


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3435546 - 12/02/04 01:33 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I always thought of them more like helpful spirits of real people that I can relate too. None of this 'Holy Royalty' stuff.

Like maybe a grandmother from a past life. Or a gypsy healer from another time.


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: CherryBom]
    #3435562 - 12/02/04 01:36 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well a person can call them as he or she likes but for me I do not change the name of Jesus so I will not change the name of Satan or the Holy Spirit.

God himself has a few names in the old Testament But I perfer the name the Jesus uses. The Father or God


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: CherryBom]
    #3435571 - 12/02/04 01:40 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

thats where i think that the collective unconcious is the other side.. and symbols can be manifested outside of that atmosphere by use of divine vibration .. one example of that symbol would be your physical manifestation of your body. so it is your grandmother because her whole incarnation here was just a manifested symbol into this realm of time and space. when you die .. you go back into the pool of collective unconcious.(INSIDE OUR MIND). i think thats what jung was getting at.. but the problem with terms is we argue on whos calling it the right thing


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: bmarley3434]
    #3436098 - 12/02/04 06:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

the conversations are ok
its like clockwork (my tics) or
like water running as currents in a stream.
the banks and stream bottom are like the body
i come out wet by watching how I am sitting or breathing or typing.
then hop in again.


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3436528 - 12/02/04 11:08 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Inward talking, the nonverbal conversations in your head, have been going on since the dawn of man I believe. It was the staple reason for religion being formed. The caveman or neanderthal couldn't comprehend something like a brain, or nonverbal thoughts, so they believed it must be a higher being communicating with them. We know today that it's perfectly normal and has nothing to do with a higher being trying to speak to us. Its just the way our brain works.


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: DNKYD]
    #3437083 - 12/02/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

but its also a higher being at the same time maybe... maybe thats it.. and the primitive people were right


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: bmarley3434]
    #3437318 - 12/02/04 02:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

you know a sponge is an assembly of smaller creatures into one -
our personality is like a sponge with the difference being any one of us gets control for a few seconds and then again later when appropriate etc.
it lets us have specialized conditional reactions that are relavent and context specific.
as we move along our path, our personality masks hand off to eachother as relates to what we experience at each step.
this gives us much more flexibility than a simple instinct program.

sometimes words are part of a personality response.
it is goofy to hear ourselves engaged with the path this way.


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3437433 - 12/02/04 02:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well, you know what they say? "the best person you can talk to is yourself, you can ask what u want and get what answer u want":D


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: RiffSki]
    #3438181 - 12/02/04 05:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

"the conversations are ok
its like clockwork (my tics) or
like water running as currents in a stream.
the banks and stream bottom are like the body
i come out wet by watching how I am sitting or breathing or typing.
then hop in again."

:cool: :thumbup:


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: deff]
    #3439386 - 12/02/04 09:15 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The experiences of the flesh (save those involving sex) are all determined by suffering. Hence they are telling me that I'm primarily this physical body.

However, my internal mind keeps telling me I'm more than this physical body. That there's much more to my present state dererminded by this physical body. Countless possibilities.

Then I wander again into the meditation upon painful experiences of flesh. It is convincing, but not entirely. Because the other option might be viable as well. Who knows the answer clearly is Enlightened? :smile:


Edited by alphaone (12/02/04 09:35 PM)


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: alphaone]
    #3439551 - 12/02/04 09:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I would agree, except I would include sex in with desires of the flesh, one which breeds much suffering in people, both through artificial commitments based around this, and like any desire, through desiring it when it is not a possibility.

My goal is to be 100% content and satisfied with nothing, as in emptiness. No sex, no drugs, no music, no people, no thoughts, no emotions, ect. Once this is complete, a state beyond all previous states is reached.

You see, this doesn't mean we have to stay with nothing, we can abstract ourselves around in and out of it, doing activities and whatnot. But the state of nothingness lies beneath the state of anything, and to be content with that means you can never not be content. It is perfected harmony in a way.

They say, when you have nothing, you have nothing to lose :cool:

As for the body vs non-body - 'You' (a very strange concept in itself if analyzed) are your body if 'you' associate as it. We are infinite awarenesses, we are like permeable liquid flowing through eternal oneness, where we are what we are, we become what we became.


Associate with body, you die with body. Associate with void, you are eternal and infinite. The circle connect the two in a way :smile:

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Re: conversations with myself [Re: deff]
    #3439683 - 12/02/04 10:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think if the void and eternal oneness is the more real reality of the two, then even if you associate with the body your essence returns to the oneness, eventually. It can't be lost, it just forgot where it came from. Am I right on this? :smile:


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: alphaone]
    #3439701 - 12/02/04 10:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well again that depends if you associate yourself as the association of self to object or not :wink:

It seems confusing when we stay isolated in bubbles of 'self' and 'non-self'.

All is one, and this is not just a cliche saying.

Infinity divided by 6 billion is still infinity, and yet these fragments assume the incarnations of literal fragments, forgoing the metaphorical infinity. There are no limitations besides those that you create.

To be nothing is to be infinite.

What I'm trying to say is that your sense of self is whatver it is you consider to be self. If you see 'self' as body, then when body dies, self dies. It's that simple.

And no, thoughts feelings memories ect do not survive death (imo) :smile:


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Re: conversations with myself [Re: deff]
    #3439802 - 12/02/04 10:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This is an interesting point of view. It didn't occur to me earlier, to be honest :smile:

It implies that if you are attached to body before death, your spirit will assume the form of body and that is a viable end of that frequency because it's among the infinite number of possiblities that can happen to your particualar frequency.

But I think there's one little thing that might question that part.

I think that the very thought "I am only this body" is dualistic in its nature - there is "you" and there is "body".

But when your body dies, whatever is left (special frequency during this life) will be forced to go back to its non-dual state, before it can return to the ocean of Oneness. Therefore, in that moment there can be no thought. It's pure Samadhi. Therefore it's basically about being consciosous or not, the Oneness will pull you to Itself either way.


Also, there are several interesting questions regarding this model for which I really don't know the answer. One is, why does Oneness want to divide into fragments? What is the cause of it? What is the purpose of it?

Btw. I also think thoughts and knowledge don't survive death. Not so sure about feelings, skills (maybe), and general impressions, though :smile:


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