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Vague simplicity , Confusing complexity, What the hell?
    #3433413 - 12/01/04 05:24 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

I'm laughing.

People are funny!

I've been noticing this here since i came and have been wanting to post about it.

You keep something simple and people say it is to vague or meaningless and ask, "whats the big deal about that'?

So, you expansiate and then they say, it's to complicated, it must be wrong if it needs that much support.

So, you simplify it again and they say, that is vague and meaningless or useless without knowing how to apply it, whats the big deal?

Then you expansiate and they say, it's to complicated it must be wrong if it needs so much support.

What the hell? LOL

Whats going on with this dynamic?


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3433435 - 12/01/04 05:30 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

Simple is good. Simple is elegant. K.I.S.S. philosophy is usually the most effective.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3433461 - 12/01/04 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

then why type at all :smile:


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3433462 - 12/01/04 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

knights in satans service?

i always follow the KISS philosophy!!


ROCK!!
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but seriously:

simple is the way, but its SOOO easy to start complicating things.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3433469 - 12/01/04 05:37 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

What about the people who don't get it simple as it is and expect or need more and yet can't handle more?

What are they made of and why is this? What is going on in their heads I wonder so? Anyone have a clue for understanding cuz I'm out of them. :confused:


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3433479 - 12/01/04 05:39 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

they are just afraid to look into any direction.

both answers point to yes, and they are afraid of yes.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: deff]
    #3433486 - 12/01/04 05:41 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

Thats what I was thinking Def, why type at all. if its so simple, it should be obvious, why bother. If it's not, and people can't compute, why bother?

I was thinking that too tod, some are here to wanting movement while jamming all gears simulataneously for the hell of it. LOL

Some are simple and relate to simplicity. Some are complex and relate to complexity. Maybe thats why we bother in our own way- to relate with who can.

I want to understand gear jammers better.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: Todcasil]
    #3433491 - 12/01/04 05:42 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Todcasil said:
they are just afraid to look into any direction.

both answers point to yes, and they are afraid of yes.




Interesting insight. Would the fear of yes come from knowing yes usually means action follows. Would the fear be one of taking action?


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: Todcasil]
    #3433533 - 12/01/04 05:50 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

That is another philosophy I endorse.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: deff]
    #3433538 - 12/01/04 05:51 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

Even a simple philosophy must express an idea or it is NO philosophy.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3433552 - 12/01/04 05:54 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

"What about the people who don't get it simple as it is and expect or need more"

If I wanted ice cream, but all there was was cheeseburgers I would be S.O.L.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3433628 - 12/01/04 06:11 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
"What about the people who don't get it simple as it is and expect or need more"

If I wanted ice cream, but all there was was cheeseburgers I would be S.O.L.




Thats interesting. You are saying they are looking in the wrong place for what they want. I can see that too.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3433651 - 12/01/04 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

Should you tailor your personal creed and philosophy to appeal to others? I once made this same point here and was UNIVERSALLY shouted down immediately, but I was probably asking for it by being an asshole.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3433704 - 12/01/04 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

Ahh yes, for the person experiencing this dynamic in others that makes one think, "why bother?" It reminds me of this bit of wisdom;

"When you try to please everyone you end up pleasing no one"

Indeed.

So beyond seeking understanding so you can tell them to shop at another store or face their fears, you can just forget about pleasing everyone, bother with only what pleases you to bother with and off to hell with the rest.

What do ya'll think of that?


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3433729 - 12/01/04 06:35 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

"bother with only what pleases you to bother with and off to hell with the rest"

In spirit I like it...but it is not practical or nice. In practical matters people deserve consideration, but don't sugar coat your ideas to gain agreement...that is a form of misrepresentation. Good ideas travel on their own steam.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3433771 - 12/01/04 06:42 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

Thats why i said, if its obvious they are shopping at the wrong store, send em elsewhere. If its obvious they are dealing with fear then what can you do other then be considerate of that.

The off to hell with the rest wasn't meant to be in a screw em attitude- it just came out that way.LOL sorry! It was meant to say, some people you just aint gonna be able to reach or please with simplicity or complexity and accept that.


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3433874 - 12/01/04 07:03 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

neutrality is the way to go... and i quote...

"...meh..."


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: Todcasil]
    #3433888 - 12/01/04 07:06 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

Todcasil said:
neutrality is the way to go... and i quote...

"...meh..."




Wouldn't that be the same as not bothering either anyway at all?


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3433959 - 12/01/04 07:22 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

"Implicit, the complicating complexity when complexity complicate the simple"
-unknown :P


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Re: Vague simplicity , Confusing compelixity, What the hell? [Re: Gomp]
    #3434011 - 12/01/04 07:32 PM (12 years, 8 days ago)

implicit

adj 1: implied though not directly expressed; inherent in the nature of something; "an implicit agreement not to raise the subject"; "there was implicit criticism in his voice"; "anger was implicit in the argument"; "the oak is implicit in the acorn" [syn: inexplicit] [ant: explicit] 2: being without doubt or reserve; "implicit trust" [syn: unquestioning]

It's a no wonder why it often fails here. :tongue:

I came to the understanding I was looking for!

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