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Straw and poo?
    #3433343 - 12/01/04 05:06 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Ok im doing 1/2 and 1/2 straw and poo in an oven bag with a filter patch, im pasturizing at a slight boil for 2 hours, can i just use the spawn in the oven bag or should i put it right in the rubber maid?

what works the best?


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: THEDANGLER]
    #3433377 - 12/01/04 05:14 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

IM a big n00b but I know that slightly boiling is NOT pasteurizing.

You should not get above 180 F if im correct, anyway it should not be boiled thats what I am sure about....
Pasteurzing temp is 65C or 150F. But you shoud heat it between 160-180F and not higher.
2 hours is a bit long also I think, but hey Im just a reader, havent any bulk experience.


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3433494 - 12/01/04 05:43 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Any one else? Its already done but yah i know it was probebly a little warm, Should i just p-cook it know or what?


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: THEDANGLER]
    #3433516 - 12/01/04 05:48 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

you can use it in the bag if you plan to fruit it in the bag or that shape--or spread the substrate then mix the spawn with it.


A friend just simmers straw for 35-45min on the stove, but you gotta get a thermometer and monitor the temp....


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: THEDANGLER]
    #3433527 - 12/01/04 05:49 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

LOL PC it? HOw hot is that do you think? :lol:

No man before I start bulk I read the relevant teks and the questions which come up then Ill ask them here.

This site has plenty of info where your current questions will be answered!

BULK Mushroominfo>growing>advanced techniques.


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3433575 - 12/01/04 05:58 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

yeah i no, this isn't my first bulk grow but i had to use a propane camp stove so on the lowest setting it was boiling. Should i toss it out and start over. I was saying if i PC it it will be completely sterile and if no other spores get in it will be fine but if its 1/2 way pasteurize to sterilized alot of the helpful micros will be dead and maybe more bad ones will be left, at least that's how i remember it, that you pasteurize so a beneficial fungi colonizes it but its weaker than the cube mycillia so it prohibits other molds from colonizing.


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: THEDANGLER]
    #3433581 - 12/01/04 06:00 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

There is a reason ofcourse those guys say NOT to go above 180F. One of them is you WILL get bacteriacontam then.

But it be better if a more experienced bulker helps you out.

AND READ THE TEKS! :heart: :lol:


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #3433599 - 12/01/04 06:03 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

yes but if i pc-ed it their would be no bacteria alive to colonize it


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: THEDANGLER]
    #3433896 - 12/01/04 07:07 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

there is a diff between pasterization and sterilization... look em up....


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: THEDANGLER]
    #3434031 - 12/01/04 07:36 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT STERILIZE POOP AND EXPECT IT NOT TO CONTAM. there are helpfull bacteria in poop (fire fang) and if you get over 180, fire fang dies, and your bulk is useless. understand now?

try again, DO NOT waste your spawn on that trust me, straw if you got a bail you have plenty, and cows poop everyday, get some new and try again.

pasteurize in the oven in a oven bag, 170 for 3 hours. it works best with a 80% straw 20% poop.


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3434968 - 12/01/04 11:10 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Why does everyone do so much straw in their bulk mixtures, is straw better than poo? Doesn't poo have more nutes?


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3434991 - 12/01/04 11:14 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

I wouldn't use an 80/20 straw/poo ratio but thats just my personal preference. People use straw because it helps keep the substrate from getting sludgy and its easy for the myc to spread along straw so it helps the myc colonize faster.


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: jonas]
    #3434996 - 12/01/04 11:16 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

I was thinkin more along the lines of 2 parts straw, 3 parts poo, 1 part verm


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3435034 - 12/01/04 11:21 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Physco's absolutly right, Oven bag the bastards. And spiffa, yeah poo has certain nutes good for fungi, but remeber, shit is the after math of your body using what it needs and then discards the WASTE. Straw just happens to colonize well and poo has the great natural nutes. That's why they use em. Straw helps colonize ,but if you have to much shit then it colonizes slower....but perhaps you'll get a more potent flush or a better yield ,but i haven't the time or the neccesities to test that theory out, Pm peterthinks and see what he says, he experiments all the time and he'd probably be the perfect canidate to test it out and let everyone know. Gl all, later


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #3435044 - 12/01/04 11:23 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

what does this mean, "shit is the after math of your body using what it needs and then discards the WASTE." Dung is food an animal's body cannot digest so it rids it as waste.


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: derx]
    #3435121 - 12/01/04 11:36 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

your body uses the nutrients in food, and poops out nasty stuff you cant use for energy.

straw and poop is mixed, because straw colonizes very fast, and poop has nutriets in it cubes love, its the miracle grow of shrooms, but itcompacts and turns muddy really easy, mycelium cannot colonise mud very well at all. the grower mixes the two together to get the best of both worlds. i love addition of field capacity verm to all my bulk cause water is key for allot of healthy flushes. field capacity = 2 cups verm 1 cup water, mixed well.  :thumbup:


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3442280 - 12/03/04 03:05 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Psychoslut you are wrong when you say you cannot sterilize poo with out it contaminating, one of ralphsters teks for growing cyan's has poo in it, you sterilize it in a jar and it works awesome, if you have a good clean spawned jar, sterilize you bulk in an oven bag, do every thing in a glove box that is completely sterile their is no possible way for it to contaminate, how can dead bacteria come back to life? yeah i know the difference between pasteurize and sterilize, i know i fucked up at first but think about it it can be done and has. so I'm going to take my over pasteurized straw/poo put it into another oven bag, and prove it to you all.


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: THEDANGLER]
    #3442469 - 12/03/04 04:15 PM (12 years, 2 days ago)

We are not talking about using grain spawn to colonize a sterile jar of poop. We are talking about spawning straw and poop on open air, in this case I am not wrong. But yeah what you said should work, but it sounds like it would suck cause it wouldnt get you very much bulk as easily as the other way.


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Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]


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Re: Straw and poo? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3446471 - 12/04/04 06:45 PM (12 years, 1 day ago)

I have said no were in this post about open air anything, all my shit is done in oven bags, yes i could get lots of bulk, shit i could inoculate 15 pounds of poo/straw with a mycillia syringe theoretically. their is almost no chance of contams coming in. His tek calls for a poo/straw/verm mix in a jar for pan cyan's. Its just a example because you said that sterilized poo will always contaminate.


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