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 oO_wombat_Oo
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 "Obvious Psilocybe" - Help me out... 
#342703 - 06/17/01 08:40 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi there - I've been posting here for a while and have heard heaps of people refering to mushrooms as "obviously psilocybe" or something. My question is - how can you tell? What is it about them that makes them "obviously psilocybe"? What defining features etc?
I've only harvested Copes and Cubes and they seem fairly different to me. Some of the other photos look completley different.
Thanx for your help!
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 Re: "Obvious Psilocybe" - Help me out... [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
#342779 - 06/17/01 11:24 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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What gives away a psilocybe...
1. possible gelatinous seperable pellicle
2. purplish spore print.
3. Hollow stem.
4. Can sometimes see gills through cap.
5. Some kind of nipple or umbo in the center of the cap.
6. Smell(have to pick alot of em to recognize this smell)
7. and of course a bluing reaction usually.
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 Re: "Obvious Psilocybe" - Help me out... [Re: Lizard King]
#342895 - 06/17/01 03:57 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ps. cubensis actually looks alot different than most obvious psilocybes. The size is one thing. Most psilocbyes are LBMs and Ps. cubensis is not an LBM. Although, I saw some pics of Ps. azurescens by workman, I think, and they were HUGE.
I've never picked or saw that one, but isn't it super closely related to Ps. cyanescens?
Wombat, do you have Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World by Paul Stamets? Ps. eucalypta and Ps. australiana are a couple of the coolest looking shrooms I've ever seen!! You may be a ways away from their fruitings, but I hope someday you'll get to pick those! They seem to resemble Ps. cyanescens and Ps. Stuntzii as far as juiciness!!!
Stay cool and happy hunting!-Levi7.
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Re: "Obvious Psilocybe" - Help me out... [Re: Levi7]
#342897 - 06/17/01 03:58 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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maybe because cubensis are actually a strophia?
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Re: "Obvious Psilocybe" - Help me out... [Re: cardboard]
#342904 - 06/17/01 04:18 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Perfect! I would've liked to say that, but didn't because of an earlier, nasty, post I replied to Wombat.
Ps. cubensi: A bluing, Psilocybin, Psilocin and Baeocystin-containing Stropharia that grows in the dung of four-legged mammals.
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Re: "Obvious Psilocybe" - Help me out... [Re: Levi7]
#343190 - 06/17/01 11:51 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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What, what and what? 
What do you mean, Cubes are actually a Stropharia?
Why would a nasty post prevent you from pointing out a cube is a Stropharia?
What's a possible gelatinous seperable pellicle!?
- Are Copelandia cyanescens Psilocybes? I thought every Psilocybin carrying mushroom was a Psilocybe - or does it have to have "Psilocybe" in the name? (what about Panaeolus subbalteatus?)
- Copes spore prints are black, not purple - or is that just a "general" rule (or see above question R.e. Copes)
- While I'm at it...;)...I've seen Psilocybin and Psilocyn spelt Psilocybine and Psilocyne - on MJ's site, I beleive. What's up with that? US/English spelling or something?
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Re: "Obvious Psilocybe" - Help me out... [Re: Lizard King]
#343193 - 06/17/01 11:55 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some of my above q's relate to the post I'm replying to in this one, but I just forgot a few things:- The cubes I pick don't seem to have hollow stems....well....they're not "solid" but I'd be hard pressed to describe them as "hollow". They're definatley Cubes, in case that was the next question .
Is it true that many psilocybes have "shiny", "sticky" caps? (Like Psilocybe cyanescens appear to have)?
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Re: "Obvious Psilocybe" - Help me out... [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
#343348 - 06/18/01 05:30 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ps. cubensis is considered by quite a few mycologists as Stropharia cubensis.
The genus Psilocybe is a very large genus. In the Family Agaricaceae(containing mushrooms with gills), the Stropharias, Naematoloma and Psilocybes are all very closely related. e.g. all have purple-brown spores.
Panaeolii species are not "Psilocybes", but contain the active chemicals Psilocybin and Psilocin(Psilocybine and Psilocine), Baeocystin, Norbaeocystin among other chemicals. So, they would be considered "Psilocybian", as well as some other "Psilocybin active" species such as Gymnopilus.
The seperable gelatinous pellicle is a very thin layer of transparent "skin" that can be peeled away from a cap, leaving the cap intact. Lizard King has a pic here of Psilocybe coprophila, a non-active Psilocybe species, that he peels the pellicle from. You should check that pic out.
Yes, Ps. cyanescens has a very sticky, moist cap with a little thicker pellicle than others I've picked. If you were eyeball a Ps. cyanescens, you would know it was an "obvious" psilocybe.
Psilocybes have a hollow, almost always white stem. Most have very thick, strong, stems that will bend almost in half and will not break. -Sort of rubbery. And in species such as Ps. cyanescens, baeocystis, azurescens and cyanofibrillosa, will turn an awesome deep blue where they were bruised or "mucked with" Hehe! Some of the Australian species will also blue like this. I've heard that the bluing reaction comes from Psilocin escaping from the mushroom.
Remember that crappy little pic of Ps. cyanescens I posted(my first pic post)? Those mushrooms on the left were put directly in the freezer after picking them last October. They are an almost black-blue color, but definitely blue. This is an indicator that the mushrooms were super-ass potent!
Man, I was a dumb ass and ate 3 of those mushrooms fresh from the ground. It's an experience I'll never forget and never will do again! It's more like a one-mushroom mushroom, you know? They are like 1/5 the size of a fresh Ps. cubensis and have the effect of like 3 cubensis! Oh yeah, they DO grow in Australia, so you better go get 'em when the season is right.
Stay cool, Wombat!!-Levi7.
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