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KingOftheThing
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what is going on in this counrty?
#3426247 - 11/30/04 12:50 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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god we have a huge multitude of easily influenced backwards hillbillies in this country...can you believe they are actually talking about teaching creationism in schools?? people still dont believe in evolution?? they dont believe in dinosaurs....i mean a huge part of this country, what the fuck?? how the hell can anyone still believe in creationism?? adam and eve? ITS A FAIRY TALE PEOPLE!! god damn when will people stop taking every word of the bible as fact....geeeezzz.. yeah everything was just created at once someone needs to bitch slap these christians, they are on a roll
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3426259 - 11/30/04 12:52 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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They need to make a combined agenda that teaches God created everything through evolution.
That ought to shut everyone up.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: zahudulallah]
#3426452 - 11/30/04 01:35 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its not only the hillbillies. Look at the majority of suburbs and therin lies the bigger problem.
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DNKYD
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: DirtMcgirt]
#3427125 - 11/30/04 09:13 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe we should stop corporate welfare, which wastes over $100 billion of our tax dollars, to fund better schools that can teach about evolution and not some loony "god" theory. Creationism is a religious theory. Schools are state run institutions. I seem to recall something about America called "seperation of church and state". But teaching something rational and scientific like evolution would be a step in the right direction, away from religion. But we can't have that, now can we? Because if ignorant folks will blindly follow a false messiah that's been dead for 2000 years and isn't coming back, why wouldn't they follow a lying shoot-em-up Texan jackass?
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: zahudulallah]
#3427131 - 11/30/04 09:15 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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zahudulallah said: They need to make a combined agenda that teaches God created everything through evolution.
That ought to shut everyone up.
haha.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3427158 - 11/30/04 09:26 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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it wasn't just created at once...
genesis occurs over the course of millenia.
when they say 'day' in the bible, they mean pluto days.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3427240 - 11/30/04 09:52 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the phrase "faith-based initiatives" about sums it up...
"I think God wants me to be President." -- GW Bush
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3427644 - 11/30/04 12:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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are you saying they're backwards hillbillies because they want to teach creationism? Or are you saying that only backwards hillbillies believe creationism?
What if they teach both ? Hmmm. what would THAT make them?
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: vampirism]
#3427944 - 11/30/04 01:41 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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backbillie hillwards
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: afoaf]
#3429335 - 11/30/04 06:25 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3429553 - 11/30/04 07:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Scary isn't it? And with Dubya in office, the fundies get one step closer to a Christian Theocracy. Soon the U.S. will become a Christian version of Taliban ruled Afghanistan, only with more money...
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: DNKYD]
#3429659 - 11/30/04 07:52 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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DNKYD said: I seem to recall something about America called "seperation of church and state".
Where do you recall that from?
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: Le_Canard]
#3429688 - 11/30/04 08:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: Scary isn't it? And with Dubya in office, the fundies get one step closer to a Christian Theocracy. Soon the U.S. will become a Christian version of Taliban ruled Afghanistan, only with more money...
Sorry, but that's just stupid. Yes, the Christian Right is taking over the Republican Party, but not the more extremist ones. Issues like abortion and gay marriage may take center-stage, but I don't think the religious right's position on these is all that extremist. Gay marriage has never been legal in the US, and abortion was illegal in many states until the 70's, so making these things illegal is not too extremist, even if it is misguided. Christianity is not going to be mandatory any time soon, nor will it be illegal to watch porn or drink on the Sabbath. It is regrettable that Christian fundamentalism is becoming powerful, but we are nowhere near a theocracy yet.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: SoopaX]
#3429702 - 11/30/04 08:06 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's a popular belief that church and state should be seperate. From the First Ammendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." They tried to make it illegal to teach evolution in schools down south a long time ago. Creationism should NOT be taught in schools because it is just a religious belief. Evolution is a scientific theory, not part of any religion. Last time I checked, we learned about scientific theories all the time in physics, biology, genetics, etc. Why should we teach evolution in science classes and creationism in mythology classes? Because evolution was a revolutionary theory when Darwin first came up with it. Creationism is just a myth in some book titled "The Holy Bible". Darwin's "Origin of Species" is a good scientific document. "The Holy Bible", I've heard, is a mediocre, ancient novel.....
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: silversoul7]
#3429756 - 11/30/04 08:20 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh, to be sure, you're right. That was a bit poorly phrased, so I apologise for that. I was thinking more of the long term (20 or 30 years) if current trends continue. And it was just a speculation and worst-case scenario. I truly hope such a thing could never come to pass, as I'm sure you do as well. But I'm also sure there are many Xtian fundies who would hope for such a thing...
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3429763 - 11/30/04 08:23 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah everything was just created at once someone needs to bitch slap these christians, they are on a roll
Since you were there when the whole universe was... created.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: ld50negative1]
#3429772 - 11/30/04 08:25 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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The real problem is self-righteous people who can't see two inches past their own face and think everyone else is a moron.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#3429799 - 11/30/04 08:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Divided_Sky said: The real problem is self-righteous people who can't see two inches past their own face and think everyone else is a moron.
Like yourself that assumes that I assume that this man is a moron? This post is obviously self-righteous and closed minded by reading it. The fact that I pointed out that he does NOT know how this universe was created does not mean that I assume he is a moron. Just because YOU or anyone else believes that Christianity is foolishness does not mean that those who believe in it are. Obviously people become Christians despite the fact that evolution is taught. If creationism is taught it's not going to change anyone's opinion. It's also arrogant to assume that just because you like a theory that it will be the only thing taught.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: ld50negative1]
#3429902 - 11/30/04 08:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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ld50negative1 said:
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Divided_Sky said: The real problem is self-righteous people who can't see two inches past their own face and think everyone else is a moron.
Like yourself that assumes that I assume that this man is a moron? This post is obviously self-righteous and closed minded by reading it. The fact that I pointed out that he does NOT know how this universe was created does not mean that I assume he is a moron. Just because YOU or anyone else believes that Christianity is foolishness does not mean that those who believe in it are. Obviously people become Christians despite the fact that evolution is taught. If creationism is taught it's not going to change anyone's opinion. It's also arrogant to assume that just because you like a theory that it will be the only thing taught.
I was not directly referring to your post but to KOTTs and several others. You took what I said to mean the exact opposite of what I meant. I think it is self-righeous to judge people and label them morons because they don't think like you do, regardless of who does it.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#3429907 - 11/30/04 08:55 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Divided_Sky said:
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ld50negative1 said:
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Divided_Sky said: The real problem is self-righteous people who can't see two inches past their own face and think everyone else is a moron.
Like yourself that assumes that I assume that this man is a moron? This post is obviously self-righteous and closed minded by reading it. The fact that I pointed out that he does NOT know how this universe was created does not mean that I assume he is a moron. Just because YOU or anyone else believes that Christianity is foolishness does not mean that those who believe in it are. Obviously people become Christians despite the fact that evolution is taught. If creationism is taught it's not going to change anyone's opinion. It's also arrogant to assume that just because you like a theory that it will be the only thing taught.
You took what I said to mean the exact opposite of what I meant. I think it is self-righeous to judge people and label them morons because they don't think like you do.
I never labeled anyone.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: ld50negative1]
#3429924 - 11/30/04 08:59 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry, I edited my post. I was not actually replying to anything you said nor did I think you were labelling anyone a moron.
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KingOftheThing
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: ld50negative1]
#3429940 - 11/30/04 09:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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considering there is hard evidence to back up evolution and none to back up creation....people that ignore science are simply ignorant...just because you dont want to believe something doesnt mean its false.....maybe god helped us evolve or soemthing, if you need to believe in god...but we definently evolved from monkies and thats a fact niggro....id like to drop kick those people who pretend dinosaurs never existed or that carbon dating is wrong...or that geology is wrong... their proof comes from a fairy tale
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#3429956 - 11/30/04 09:06 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think we are all products of our environment. If you were born under the right circumstances, there is a sizable chance you might believe the same things. My home town has a lot of conservative christians (not necessarily fundamentalists, but people who are christian and conservative) but it also employs alot of scientists and engineers. Many of those nuclear engineers and research scientists are themselves Christian and believe things you think are ridiculous. It is obviously not due to lack of intelligence, but rather circumstance and them having no real need to challenge their beliefs.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: Le_Canard]
#3429962 - 11/30/04 09:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: Oh, to be sure, you're right. That was a bit poorly phrased, so I apologise for that. I was thinking more of the long term (20 or 30 years) if current trends continue. And it was just a speculation and worst-case scenario. I truly hope such a thing could never come to pass, as I'm sure you do as well. But I'm also sure there are many Xtian fundies who would hope for such a thing...
I am uncertain about many things in life, but I am certain that your scenario will not happen. The pendulum swings both ways. In fact, I'd say right now the Republicans are in danger of being victims of their own success, like the Democrats were in the 60's. I'm sure that back then, a lot of people feared we would keep getting more and more liberal and that the Republican Party was dying, but then Nixon got elected in 1968, ushering in an era of conservatism(or at least pseudo-conservatism) in America. Mark my words: the pendulum will swing back the other way. The one thing that is constant in this world is change.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3429983 - 11/30/04 09:14 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Evolving from monkies is a misleading statement. If you think of evolution as a tree, we're on one branch, and monkies are on another branch very near ours. Our two branches go back at one point to the same branch, but we didn't actually evolve from monkies.
But it is sickening to me that people would believe in something that has no scientific evidence, or even a trace of any evidence at all, rather than a logical theory that has thousands of scientists succesfully working to prove it. I guess some people just prefer a good mythological tale, which may be exciting at times, to scientific research and observations.
Another thing that irks my girken is when people say shit like "oh, god put DNA in us and in everything else" or "god made evolution". You can't just say something like that without evidence.
I think it's time for people of all religions to give up and admit that the only good thing to come from their mythological belief structures are good moral codes. Could somebody please let me in on what good the Chrisitan church, or Jews, or Muslims, or Buddhists, have done for society?
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: DNKYD]
#3430399 - 11/30/04 10:44 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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UH...
Whats up with all this religion bashing? I'm not defending closed minded fundamentalists; they are failing to be obedient to their awareness of reality; they do not trust their senses and rationality, maybe the devil is trying to trick them, so they hold fast to what they were taught from the bible regardless of any evidence suggesting another interpretation. I feel sorry for them, they live in fear.
It's obvious [to many of us] that people who do not believe in dinosaurs are refusing to accept reality. It's also obvious [to many of us] that those who refuse to believe in God are also refusing to accept reality. Why couldn't God create through a process of evolution?
There are some questions which cannot be addressed empirically:
Why is there something rather than nothing?
If there are some things better than other things, then shouldn't there be one best thing? What would that be?
Given the law of entropy, how do you account for life?
etc...
Evolution answers how did it happen. The creation story answers why did it happen.
Those who chose to ignore the how questions will find themselves stuck in a mythological world view where true science is impossible; Those who choose to never consider the why questions will find themselves lost in a meaningless existence, eventually imposing their own false view onto reality. Both sides are blind.
True Christianity has no fear of any truth. Yes, I love Jesus and I believe in evolution.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3430799 - 12/01/04 12:13 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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science/religion take it all with a grain of salt. althoug hsome theorys, or "facts", do appear to be accurate.
as always south park sums this one up. watch "Cancelled". i think youll find that the way this world works is jsut far to fucked up...
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: kadakuda]
#3430816 - 12/01/04 12:17 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol funny
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: Tre_Selor]
#3430822 - 12/01/04 12:18 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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a Muslim Extremist is just about as bad as a Christian Extremist :-P
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: Tre_Selor]
#3431214 - 12/01/04 01:53 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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teach the kids to teach themselves. then they can learn what they want.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3431648 - 12/01/04 05:59 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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KingOftheThing said: considering there is hard evidence to back up evolution and none to back up creation....people that ignore science are simply ignorant...just because you dont want to believe something doesnt mean its false.....maybe god helped us evolve or soemthing, if you need to believe in god...but we definently evolved from monkies and thats a fact niggro....id like to drop kick those people who pretend dinosaurs never existed or that carbon dating is wrong...or that geology is wrong... their proof comes from a fairy tale
Why don't you go and study creationism and find proof that supports stories in the Bible. Also, look up some of the failed predictions based on the fact that the earth/moon is so many years old.
When we went to the moon they prepared the ship to be able to sit in several feet of dust, but there was only about an inch. If the moon was there that long it would have floated away because that's what has been doing for a long time. etc. Do some research instead of flaming people that you assume won't read what you say and only those that agree with you will respond. Look it up instead of throwing out these overzealous claims that everything in evolution is 100% correct and everything in creation is 100% wrong. Maybe God DID use evolution but there's no way to refute how it ALL started. Big bang? Well shit where did that condensded piece of matter come from that seeminly was WELL planned out to produce what it did. (Look at our damn solar system). Come on now you bigot.
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Divided_Sky said: Sorry, I edited my post. I was not actually replying to anything you said nor did I think you were labelling anyone a moron.
It's cool I just assumed you were because you quick replied to me.
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Re: what is going on in this counrty? [Re: ld50negative1]
#3440979 - 12/03/04 03:43 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you want to learn a religious-based story on how we got to be here...
go to church.
learn what our best guess using science is at school. you're free to disagree personally, but it's not going to change anything.
it's very, very stupid that genesis creation is taught in schools. if that's your cup of tea... go to church. learn there.
Would it be wrong to teach that a bush is incapable of burning without being consumed whilst talking? The bible says differently; yet I don't see people running around claiming that schools should teach that a burning bush can talk to you.
if you want to think we were just poofed out of nothingness, or if the world was created from a giant who fell and decomposed, or if we're sitting on the back of a turtle.. that's fine, learn those ideas with your religion. Learn science in school. If the two disagree, reconcile them yourself. Don't force the school to teach something that is not scientifically supported because you like it better than evolution.
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