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'Is it not written in your law that I have said you are gods?....How can you say I blaspheme when I have said you too are gods?' John 10: 30-something.
Jesus says we all are gods. Was he Indian or what?
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I think you should get the Scripture quoted right before you start such as topic
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It is pretty much what he said. He specifically says 'Is it not written in your law I have said you are gods. We know that what the scripture says is true etc..
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I would start a discussion with you. I know the Scripture by heart.
But unless your willing to look it up and get it right, I see know point.
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I don't have my bible with me so this is what I got online and it is different to what my bible says, probably cos mines catholic.
"Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'[5] ? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken-- 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?
Message is still the same.
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OK.......... yes the Catholic bible is Whacked
Jesus was saying that we all carry God with in us.
But
Let me get my Bible and read the entire passage. I'll be back in a few mins
I suggest you do the same. It becomes very important to read the entire chapter to understand the writers intent.
To many times people take things way out of context 
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Yeah the title of the catholic one was 'The people reject Jesus.'
I didn't realise how different they were.
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'Is it not written in your law that I have said you are gods?....How can you say I blaspheme when I have said you too are gods?' John 10: 30-something.
Jesus says we all are gods. Was he Indian or what?
*Sparks of god-stuff. Jesus needs to better word his outer teachings...
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And the passage in the scripture Jesus was refering to I think was Psalms 82:6
"I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'
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Very little of what Jesus said is actually in the bible...
If it wasn't for Emperor Constantine changing the bible to suit his needs, then I feel it would have been a much more pertinent document.
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OK if you read the entire chapter you will see that Jesus was approached by the towns people demanding to know if he was the Messiah?
Jesus answers them " I have already told you but you choose no tot believe "
Jesus then went on to explain that he and his father are one and the same.
These people wanted to stone his ass. They were convinced he was a Liar, a blasphemer. They said he was only a man and that was just trying to make himself GOD!! Wow they really wanted to kill him
Quote John 10:34 " Jesus answered " It is written in your own law that God said 'You are Gods'
Unfortunately my Studied Bible is in our truck back home. grrrrrrrrrr
I can not quote the old testament scripture tonight.
But what is happening here is Jesus was making a comparison to old text that he was God. And God was him. And the people were very pissed he was calling himself God.
What he was trying to say is that If you believe I'm the son of God than how do I Commit Blasphemy?
Anyway I can not give you supporting Old text. I don't not have the cross reference in front of me.
It can be frustrating to understand what Jesus was talking about when he quotes old testament and unless I have the exact Scriptures. It will be hard for me to explain
But I have studied this once before
The bottom line is Jesus was saying that He is the Messiah even if you don't believe it. Your belief changes nothing. There own scriptures spoke of his coming.The talk of Then being Gods is not really what he was saying he was quoting there own scriptures.
They were very very pissed and when they tried to kill him he just kinda slipped away.
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I'd interpret it literally as saying we are all gods, which makes christianity compatible with eastern religions.
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OK.......... yes the Catholic bible is Whacked
How can two version of the Bible be so conflicting that so far half this thread is dedicated to resolving the conflict just in order to begin the discussion.
Geez, and people wonder why I don't believe anything in the Bible.
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Diploid]
#3425196 - 11/29/04 08:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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read the Gnostic gospels (available online).
THE END
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Diploid]
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How can two version of the Bible be so conflicting that so far half this thread is dedicated to resolving the conflict just in order to begin the discussion.
Perhaps because there is over 2000 versions of the Bible...each one interpreted by an individual in a different way.
Unless any of you can speak Aramaic, I doubt that we'll ever know the original content.
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Diploid]
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Well it can be disturbingly hard to understand
I can only tell you that the spirit of God guides my understanding of the words. I have several translations
It is his heart living in mine that makes some things very clear.
Anyway seeking God and his truths needs no Bible. It takes a very serious effort in private and a willingness to open yourself to the unseen.
I also felt as many of you do. But there was a time in my life I really needed to bo close to God. It was thru many hours of prayer that I got to know God.
Without a prayer life, God can not be heard. The when you learn to feel god thoughts and know his ways. The Bible can become a very close friend.
I still find stuff I know is nothing but Junk. That is between me and God.
All I can say is God will speak to you in Prayer. I am not saying you hear some Voice like Johny Knoxville spewing. LOL
But you just know when it's God's thouhts and not your own.
Jesus is very real and can be found without ever reading a word of the Bible or stepping foot in any church.
You know the first Christians never had any building. It wasn't until the Romans got involved did the Chuch building thing start
Whew I had better shut up..................LOL
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Jesus loves you despite what you feel about him.
So does Allah, Buddha, Ganesh, Yahweh etc...
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Rono]
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Most of the time same God but, can be very misrepresented by evil people. God has many names same God
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: ergot]
#3425356 - 11/29/04 09:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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ergot said:
read the Gnostic gospels (available online).
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The bottom line is Jesus was saying that He is the Messiah even if you don't believe it. Your belief changes nothing. There own scriptures spoke of his coming.The talk of Then being Gods is not really what he was saying he was quoting there own scriptures.
How is that 'the bottom line'? The bible is constantly up for interpretations, despite what God tells you in your personal life. The rest of us aren't so 'blessed' to have this divine schooling that God is apparently providing for you.
Jesus, in John 10:33-34, says 'Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?' The verse he describes is indeed Psalm 82:6, which says 'I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.'
I originally thought that maybe Jesus meant that HE said 'Ye are gods,' but if we all carefully look at the psalm verse, it's obvious he's just [slightly mis]quoting the original text. I guess I just don't see where you draw the line at Jesus directly meaning that he alone was God. I know you are very schooled in Christian theology, but this verse is just one of the many subtleties(sp?) at Jesus' gnostic teachings.
I mean, wouldn't it make sense that he himself believed that 'Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High'? I don't see why he would point out that verse in his favor if he didn't.
When I was reading up on John just now, I came across the statement, by Jesus, that "My Father is greater than I. (John 14:28)"
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Rono]
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Jesus loves you despite what you feel about him.
So does Allah, Buddha, Ganesh, Yahweh etc...
Ameen. These "Jesus Loves you" stuff is all nice and all, but it should be said "God loves you".. implying Jesus also implies that Jesus is some exclusive path to God when all religions essentially lead to the same Source.
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Rono]
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Fucknuckle do you see any conflict in giving christianity the benifit of the doubt when interpreting the bible? Isn't the bible where you were supposed to be convinced of christianity's truth? it's quite a tautology, i'm sure you can correct me though
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all religions essentially lead to the same Source.
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I'd interpret it literally as saying we are all gods, which makes christianity compatible with eastern religions.
In essence there is and always has been One spiritual teaching, although it comes in many forms.
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: lukeboots]
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As I have already said those passages are talking about that God lives in all that will allow. Nothing more. Meaning that God living in you makes you God in the sense that you follow God and his thoughts. It is not my study and education on the Bible that fills me with understanding and wisdom. It is God, Jesus ,the Holy spirit. Call God what you will.
TO everone else............
I have noticed that Christian beliefs are much attacked here
I think it is funny and sad at the same time
God has prepared me for this but sometimes you guys just get me somewhat wound up.
Why do you think Christians are the most inspected and denounced people in this forum?
I can tell you why but, most of you would not believe it.
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tell us why. I could tell you my theory as well but you won't believe it. I'll tell if you tell 
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ok, i see where you're coming from on the verse interpretation. i guess i just take it as 'we're all gods', meaning a chip off the god block (not all powerful greek gods or something), and i just figured that in the psalm verse, god was talking to whoever was reading / listening, not just specifically the jews.. '..all of you are children of the most High'..
and well, i think christianity is attacked here a lot because many people know a good amount about it (as a good portion of this forum is from the western world, many are coming of age, and were raised in a 'christian' family.. i know i was).. when people know a good amount about a religion, and begin to question things (especially something as contradictary as the bible!), there will be denouncing of said subject.
we're all on the same search here fucknuckle, and we get the picture that you believe in Christianity's teachings. but you're coming off as arrogant to me, with the 'fills me with understanding and wisdom' talk. wisdom is not to be judged by the person possessing it, but by those around him. besides, christianity, as far as i know, teaches humility.
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'Is it not written in your law that I have said you are gods?....How can you say I blaspheme when I have said you too are gods?' John 10: 30-something.
Jesus says we all are gods. Was he Indian or what?
Let's put it into context, shall we? 
1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
42 And many believed on him there.
See, Jesus wasn't saying that we are gods. Jesus was saying that the priests of that time were saying that we were gods. So he was asking, "How can you condemn me for saying I am the son of God, when you all claim that you are god?"
Jesus wasn't agreeing that we are gods. He was just finding that they were inconsistent. Why find fault with Jesus when he was merely claiming, in essense, the same thing they were all claiming?
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: lukeboots]
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I know God, it is simple. I am not fearing what any of you think. When it comes to the works of God I follow his lead. When in this forum it is the works of God I am interested in. When I am speaking of God I give him all the respect and I have known him long enough to give him space in my words. It is not my responsibility to make sure your feelings are pampered. The same things you have said, have been said many times about people close to God. Nothing new to me. God loving people have been misunderstood and persecuted for a long time
I would have to say if anyone is offended by my manner. Well ........ Listen and do not judge me. 
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all religions essentially lead to the same Source.
Including Osama Bin Laden's religion and his cronies' who saw off people's head with a dull knife?
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Frog]
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Frog
I think you on the right track but I think you have not made a very clear picture.
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frog, thanks for that. it makes sense now that you've put that all down in perspective.. i can still see how it could be taken either way, but i do think in this case you're right
fucknuckle, i am not offended by your ways, and i was in no way trying to 'persecute' you. 
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Diploid]
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all religions essentially lead to the same Source.
Including Osama Bin Laden's religion and his cronies' who saw off people's head with a dull knife?
No, they are the spawn of evil............
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all religions essentially lead to the same Source.
Including Osama Bin Laden's religion and his cronies' who saw off people's head with a dull knife?
No, they are the spawn of evil............
i'm sure they think the same of you.
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No, they are the spawn of evil
You'll get no argument from me, but are you aware that they believe they are blessed by and doing God's work. And they believe their version of the truth as resolutely as you believe yours.
Objectively, who's to say which of you is right?
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Diploid]
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Well I am sure of one thing. God has said many times in the word and in prayer that killing yourself is just about the worst thing you can do in the eyes of God.
He gave you life and only he can decided when you are to leave. Taking your own life is like a slap in the face of God. Not cool at all.
The whole 40 virgin thing makes me wonder too..........
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God has said many times in the word and in prayer that killing yourself is just about the worst thing you can do in the eyes of God.
I suppose all the honorable, noble Ancient Japanese Samurai warriors went to the Lake of Fire for all Eternity, because they didn't get the scoop on the sin-of-suicide, hmm?
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killing yourself is not the easy way out.
imagine the nerve it must take? the steel resolve?
killing yourself is just as difficult (or alternativly depending on your perspective, just as easy) as living out your life until something else entirely kills you.
"he gave you life and only he can decide when you leave"
then who was deciding when John Galt killed himself? or Mary Sue? or my Mom? they decided did they not?
and if only god decideds when you will leave, doesnt that make them god? or at least a part of god, very vital parts?
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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.
~Casil 
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Rono
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Probably not...since they were Buddhists and don't believe in the concept of hell.
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oceansize
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Rono]
#3425722 - 11/29/04 10:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I still want to know from fucknuckle why and how christians are prosecuted here.
If you tell me, I'll tell you.  please?
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"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Todcasil
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: oceansize]
#3425771 - 11/29/04 10:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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the prosecution rests!
oh wait...
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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.
~Casil
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oceansize
fuckin' right.
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Re: Jesus said... [Re: Todcasil]
#3425861 - 11/29/04 11:19 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Born again christians are more likely to have had a divorce than atheists!!!!!
No, I'm only kidding (although its true), I didn't say i disagreed with mr nuckle. anyway, christians are criticized because it is easy to criticize concrete beliefs and statements. Plenty of alternative belief systems i see on this forum weasle out of criticism and suddenly turn into abstract concepts as soon as scrutiny comes to town. I concede that to fucknuckle and company.
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"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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ninjapixie
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Quote:
SkorpivoMusterion said:
In essence there is and always has been One spiritual teaching, although it comes in many forms.
Yeah that's the point I was trying to make. Does it mean it's right? Odds are it is. Too bad this has turned into an inquisition.
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