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psilocybinjunkie
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#342450 - 06/16/01 07:36 PM (23 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just started using Micron magick filters today on GT's 7 jars i'll kepp everyone posted on how it goes.
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1/2 pints pf/mmgg.
The discs look great.
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OM
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What's up all. I hadn't been to this site in months and came across the 'Micron Magick filter disc' banner. Seems very interesting. However, I've used the PF tek [in 1/2 pint wide-mouth Kerrs) quite a few times and am worried about the substrate drying out too much during pressure canning/sterilization using these disks. Does the foil work against overdrying? If so, then how? I'm blown away by the full-colonization times some have claimed using these disks and am quite eager to grab a few. Thanks a lot gentlemen.
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OM
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Are you serious?!!! What about the possible condensation build-up? So this little disk still lets the jar breathe? If you put the lid on the 'Micron Magick' and screw on the band, then AFTER sterilization, I suppose you just unscrew the band, slowly remove the lid without disturbing the cloth and re-screw the band? Thanks again NuShroomPharmerII.
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psilocybinjunkie
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Day 3 no signs of growth yet on the GT's I'm starting some Puerto Rican cubensis today also using Micron Magick filters
1/2 pints. I'll keep everyone posted on how it goes.
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OM
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psylocibinjunkie,
You use 1/2 pints too? Could you please answer the question above? Or NuShroomPharmerII? Porfa-please?
Thanks all!
OM
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: OM]
#344542 - 06/19/01 05:40 PM (23 years, 8 months ago) |
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I heard you cut to size when using the MM disks. How about oversizing your cut. Next use a TIGHT, lysol swabbed, rubberband to keep the disk snugly fit(below the band rim), and then screw on your one piece lid. That way you can open/close for moisture release/retention without having to worry about disturbing the disks. Sure, you may have to buy a bit more. But at $15/100d who the fuck really cares ('cept us po-folks:)). I have never used them but as long as the rubberband is on SUPER tight I'm pretty sure it would work.
BTW. If anyone tries this PM me and let me know how it works.
May I beg for a few disks now? Please?;)Edited by them_26 on 06/19/01 07:47 PM.
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: OM]
#344564 - 06/19/01 06:03 PM (23 years, 8 months ago) |
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Check it out OM I cover with foil as regular and unscrew/loosen the lids a little then innoc as usual. I then ad another filter disc on top of the previous one with holes in it from innoculating.The original disc stays right in place an seems to be sealed in place by the sterilization process.
There it goes hope it helps. Check this post as I will update it with my results.
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#344701 - 06/19/01 08:52 PM (23 years, 8 months ago) |
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OM
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psylocibinjunkie,
I'll definitely keep checking back! Thanks!
NuShroomPharmerII, I appreciate the info, sounds cool. I understand. This is pretty exciting. Can't wait to try 'em out.
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: OM]
#345156 - 06/20/01 11:51 AM (23 years, 8 months ago) |
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Day 4 no signs of growth.
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psilocybinjunkie: what temperature are your jars incubating at?
And to the person wondering about your substrate drying out. It probably won't happen. Filter discs, and Micron Magik discs are woven so tightly. Down to .3 microns, thats tight.
Point is, they're made to allow gases to pass through and keep moisture content. Water molecules are much larger than .3 microns:) If your subsrate dries out its becuase you didn't add enough water when it was first mixed or the seal isn't tight. The actual filter though won't allow for moisture to escape:)
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: Lana]
#345463 - 06/20/01 07:15 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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Much thanks Lana! That is a tight weave. It is cloth right? Shame we can't tumble some nugs on 'em and snatch up some zero-zero. :-)
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Edited by OM on 06/20/01 09:29 PM.
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: Lana]
#345464 - 06/20/01 07:16 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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About 80 to 85 degrees F. I think It'll will take about 2-3 more days before is see growth.
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Day 5 no growth.
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today is also day 5 for me and this is my 1st attempt to grow. i am also using the filters and my jars are showing growth. i'd say that 70% of my jars have started to colonize as of day 5... some eq's, b+, gulf coast... filter discs are a good investmest....
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If one were to do some birdseed in a quart jar how would one go about innoccullaattiinngg without lifting the filterdisk off the jar. Making a hole and taping seems like the only way: has anyone had any experience doing this?
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I believe the spores are a little old I'll give it a couple more days before I expect to see growth. I can tell the filter discs help because I don't have that pescky contam problem thats been affecting my substrate alot.
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OM
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strang and NewShroomPharmerII,
Those colonization times are just WILD! 5 days at ~70%, and 100% at 8 days!!!!!! I gotta' get myself some of these disks. Thanks a mil gentlemen. This thread has been quite, however nominal, enlightening nonetheless.
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: OM]
#346332 - 06/21/01 10:34 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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misinterrpeted OM, i meant that 70% or about 30 of my jars have started to grow not 70% colonization.. i'd say about 30% colonized by day 5, but thats still damn good.... nevertheless, i would invest in the puppies........
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psilocybinjunkie
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Day 6 no growth. No apparent contams either.
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OM
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Understood strang,
Definite comm. break-down. Thanks anyway and yes, that is still damn good!
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psilocybinjunkie
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Day 7 no growth on GT's. Day 4 Puerto Rican A couple jars have germinated a little, lost two to contams.Green stuff and a blackish contam I've never seen before. Majority of jars are uncontaminated though.
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psilocybinjunkie
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Thats quite possible. I would say the discs are working, the spores I used could have been contaminated or something. But who knows maybe the GT's will pull through. I'll just wait and see.The Puerto Ricans appear to be on the up and up.
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had to post again. today is my day 7 and every last one of my jars are growing strong. they should be ready by late next week if all goes well w/ contaminants. i had so many jars i decided to experiment with some. even the ones that are not kept up to suggested temp are doing fine. also the ones outside of the chamber are doing well. the slowest ones are the ones that i put tape over the holes in the discs that i innoculated through. i was worried about contamination through the holes... i'll keep yall up to date.... thanks alot nushroomer the discs are awesome...
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Day 8, lost 11 jars Puerto Rican to blue mold very sad :(
I'm going to try a new batch of Mazatapecs I could have made some bad syringes last time I'll see though.The GT jars smell fruity I'm sure their fucked.
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Umm.. Are you sure it was mold? You do know that cakes will bruise blue often don't you? Those could be perfectly good jars..
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I boil jars on high heat for 5 min and steam on med/lo for 40min
I do use a layer of dry verm and A second disc, I keep the jars by a water heater.
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Yes I covered with foil. But the filters were wet!
Tell me if this could be the problem. Could the wet filter discs contain contams?
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Ok I'm going to try again. Tommorow I'm gonna start some Mazatapec's from my own prints. I'm gonna follow the directions you provided and we'll see how that goes.
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: NeonBlack]
#348039 - 06/24/01 04:55 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here is a address to a picture in the contamination forum of the exact same contams that took out my Puerto Ricans
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Contams&Number=342077&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part=
I thought the filters protected against this???????
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Alright I'm starting some jars tonight. I put tinfoil over the filter and under the screw band instead of using the lid. Good idea huh... I did everything you recomended so will se how this experiment goes. Oh yeah, the rest of my Puerto Rican jars have mold in them!
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Content Removed.
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: Jared]
#348473 - 06/25/01 07:34 AM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't waste your time with coffee filters. Others warned me and I did it anyway, and I lost every jar that I have ever used them on. I think they do more to make trouble than prevent it.
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: MNmyc]
#348519 - 06/25/01 09:31 AM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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My b-day is happy! Just checked my 3 half gallon rye jars that were prepared with a filter disc, then innoc'ed with honey syringes. I just gave the now molded filter a turn loose, and stuck the needle through the section of the filter which is normally sealed between the band and jar. Twist the filter back down and re-install the band. Then I just threw them into a sterilite with a submersible heater/circulatoin pump at 85 degrees f.
One was done with a seperate syringe and that is showing nothing (contams. included).
The other two were innoc'ed with 6 cc's each less than 36 hours ago. Now they look like someone shook in a handful of that pretty, white beach sand. Tiny white specks EVERYWHERE! This is the fastest, most evenly spread, myc. recovery I've ever seen. Not that I've seen much of anything, but I definately think my cash was well spent.
With God as my witness, I shall never use polyfill again...
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Just started my Mazatepecs hope all goes well this time.
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psilocybinjunkie
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Lost all 7 jars of GT's...
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: MNmyc]
#348634 - 06/25/01 01:02 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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don't get too excited, bet you it's contamed
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: MNmyc]
#348703 - 06/25/01 03:04 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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Happy b day man, and much luck with those
mushies. Is polyfil at least better than none?
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Re: Micron Magick [Re: Nagual]
#348823 - 06/25/01 06:09 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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Um.... i think you'll have better success with just a plain verm layer on top. Especialy since it's your first time. Monkeys around here use polifil INSTEAD of the PF verm layer. I'm pretty sure these disks are meant to be used in the same way.
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Ok I am a sales man for Health Mor products. They sell an air flitration cleaner( vaccuum) and also just an air flitration system. The facts go like this.......
Any filters that one can aquire at a retail store is undoubtedly a HEPA air fliter which filters out 99.97% of particles down to 0.3 microns in size.
The problem with that is the bulk of micro batieria fall in the range of 0.2 to 0.1 microns in size so if you want to avoid contams forget about this.
The filters my company uses are tested by the FDA and EPA to filter out 99.98% of particles down to 0.1 microns in size.
Therefore this idea though great can only be executed the way you intend with the firters we have and we are the only ones on the market today that carry filters that effective. Maybe I should steal a bunch of sample fiters cause they are circluar and sell them of something.
Edited by Thworp on 06/26/01 04:40 PM.
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> I boil jars on high heat for 5 min and steam on med/lo for 40min
40 min is way too short.
OK for pressure cooking, but 1.5 hours is the way to go when steaming.
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kickme.to/mushroomsEdited by Anno on 06/26/01 04:55 PM.
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#349465 - 06/26/01 04:50 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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psilocybinjunkie
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Hey I finally figured out what went wrong! it was the jars themselves not the filters... They weren't being sterilezed /cleaned properly. I had to use Ryche Hawks sterileization tek. Used bleach and water to clean old jars and everthing is going fine as of now. Just though i'd clear it up.
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