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gettinjiggywithit
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Here's what was going on in my head when I typed the reply before the one above this.
Things of physical matter need an external light source to be seen. Things of non physical matter , like mental and emotional consciousness "light" can be seen not with the physical eyes but with the inner eye it's "turned on". This is relative to dealing with religious, spiritual cosmic consciousness type darkness.
Anyway, I know thats getting really far out there.
Back to your regulary scheduled program.
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Re: Why do people FEAR the dark? [Re: the_phoenix]
#3421594 - 11/28/04 11:10 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pheonix,
I just went back to see what you said i was equating to all things being of light, even if separated within the spectrum.
Because I wasn't clear, you thought I was wrong and you didn't want to be wrong by the equation so you changed what you wrote not to be wrong, when really we were on the same page and I just wasn't clear.
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL I don't see right and wrongs with this abstract stuff. You can see anything if you just shed enough light on it. Sometimes, I think wrong just means absense of light.
Does wrong become right as more light comes into play? Something to think about?
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People fear the dark because it represents unconsciousness, which to a deeper degree is death.
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Re: Why do people FEAR the dark? [Re: zahudulallah]
#3422095 - 11/29/04 02:19 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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i fear people,a dark forest is nothing to be afraid of,a dark hallway or room is very at home,like inside your brain,darkness swirling with your scattered dreams and thoughts people are unknown variables,they can just go fuckin crazy,some crazy monkey just come flying out at you screaming about some strange delusions from his tiny brain hiding in the dark shall protect you
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Re: Why do people FEAR the dark? [Re: OkEyToKeY]
#3422150 - 11/29/04 03:01 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with thingymajig, it's fear of the unknown, the loss of one of our most valuable senses that we rely on every day, without it we feel vulnerable and lost. Which leads me onto another sort of topic about people who are born blind and deaf, I wonder what it's like for them? How they think and whether they'd be unhappy or not? It hardly seems a life worth living in this world, what could the mind create from darkness? Is it a blank slate when we are born? would that person just live in a silent, pitch black world with no thoughts?
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Edited by rogue_pixie (11/29/04 03:03 AM)
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Re: Why do people FEAR the dark? [Re: rogue_pixie]
#3422351 - 11/29/04 07:50 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jiggy I think it is a stretch to take our innate fear of the dark and the euphimisic(?) 'darkness' as it represents evil and draw a real causal connection, down to fear frequencies. I think you are onto something, however, if relate the feelings of uncertainty and fear and the label of evil (darkness) on unknown things, or the xennophobia predominant in humans.
That being said, i have seasonal affective disorder, because of increased melatonin due to low light levels in the fall/winter, i am tired and depressed more often... i wonder how that fits in 
P.S. Can you really say you weren't the least bit disgusted when Oprah gave away a 3rd world country's GNP worth of stuff to middle-upperclass americans in her audience last week
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Re: Why do people FEAR the dark? [Re: oceansize]
#3422590 - 11/29/04 10:17 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, you would have to define evil to see how it equates to fear. I think equating them or relating them is relative to what meaning one prescribes to them. I don't typically entertain abosolute beliefs or ideas about the biblical use of the word evil myself. I see everything that looks like its working against good, as working for it it in a way, one can't understand from a duality perspective. Fear is not an experience beyond duality. The ONE has no threat or enemy because there is nothing outside of it or a part from it. This is my place of peace that I return to when in fear of threat. Some people say evil is just live spelled backwards and means a lack of Life Force energy and vitality of living or appreciation for life and living. Does depression relate to that? depressed people are hardly a threat because depressed states are inactive, lethargic and often, not caring or are in a state of giving up and hopelessness as in "why bother?" (I spent a lot of my early teen years depressed by the way) In this sense, depression doesn't equate with the Biblical meaning of evil- a force that works in the dark out to manipulate and control you. There are as many ways to look at that as there are people to look at and label it something. Some people do find depression to be a dark heavy state to be in. Dark in the sense that nothing glitters, nothing is gold, nothing has promise, nothing is worth anything. I can see where you might feel frustrated if a medical condition causes depression and it's not then seen as something you choose, but rather are the victim of. One could look at that and say, depression is not evil but the victim of what the bible says evil is. I like to take biblical characters and nonsense like sin and guilt out of the mix and just see evil as lack of life force and appreciation for life. because nothing is truly lacking, evil belongs soley in the realms of duality and separation. There are states of consciousness beyond duality and separation. Outside of moving into them hypothetical to discuss things and relate to people in the dualised realms, In my head and heart, I pretty much live perciving beyond it. It feels so much better and peaceful. To judge what Oprah used her free will to do, I would have to slip down into duality energy and perspectives. It's her money, she can do what she wants with it. Rich people give their kids expensive gifts all of the time. Oprah doesn't have a family or children and maybe she enjoys spoiling her fans as such? I buy my daughter lots of gifts. I could be sending that money to Cambodia. If I judged Oprah with discust, I would be a hypocrite and have to be in discust with myself and I am not. I'd rather look to see in the good in her then the bad like I choose to do with most people I may find myself in harsh judgment of. I don't carry the weight of world suffering anymore either. I DID as a young teen coming out of a catholic upbringing, where i was told we get ONE life and possibly punished for eternity for wrong choice. Knowing all of the people who were suffering and those who were not, I thought the one life thing was really unfair and being judged for choices made in ignorance of "not knowing" was also unfair. THAT's what lead to my deep depressions from age 13 to 17. As I keep looking deeper with my flash light (heart light of understanding), I make my world lighter and brighter. Thats just me, I don't prescribe a right or wrong to it either. It's all about choices, what we choose to see and how we choose to see. When I poured myself in to studies of reincarnation, Budhism and Hinduism around the ages of 15 to 25, the weights really started lifting. from 25 to 36 now, i've poured myself into cosmic consciousness stuff, and damn if I ain't floatin and flying high on and in life now making light of almost everything I can. What a journey!
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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (11/29/04 10:23 AM)
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Re: Why do people FEAR the dark? [Re: the_phoenix]
#3422608 - 11/29/04 10:24 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
the_phoenix said: You cannot say that light and darkness are the same yet postulate their interactions in external vs. internal contexts. An absolutely fundamental perspective is necessary to understand that light and dark, like fundamentality and conventionality, are the same thing. The other elements of the situation must be understood in the same light, in this case, that internal and external mean the same thing. In this case there are no distinctions. Shifting from one perspective to another in the same thought is like shifting verb tenses in the same sentence--it's a fundamental error.
You can see the colours because they are fundamentally natured similar in amount as is your perspective. It is your reality. They and you are on the same frequency, if you like.
Thats rad
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Instinct.
Humans are NOT nocturnal animals, so our eyes are not very good at seeing in low light levels. Because we are PRIMARILY a visual being, being robbed of our vision leads to a sort of anxiety - if we can't see what is around us we can't know if we are in danger.
There could be a tiger stalking me from that dark corner of my bedroom
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Re: Why do people FEAR the dark? [Re: trendal]
#3422658 - 11/29/04 10:46 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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what you can not see, but feel, could scare? what you can not feel, but see, could scare? see what you feel, and feel what you see, it could scare no more? is it the combo called thinking?
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Re: Why do people FEAR the dark? [Re: Gomp]
#3422679 - 11/29/04 10:56 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gomp said: what you can not see, but feel, could scare? what you can not feel, but see, could scare? see what you feel, and feel what you see, it could scare no more? is it the combo called thinking?
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dark is what you cant see. people associate seeing with knowing and therefore darkness is what you dont know. and if you dont know whats there, it could be anything. and if you cant see whats there, you cant see whats not there. It could be a monster, a wolf, a rapist.
Ignorance is the source of all fear. we fear darkness because we are ignorant of what it contains, and we are often programmed to imagine the worst.
I think its possible to develop a trusting attitude to life, and thus learn not to fear the dark, out of a calm assurance that whatever is around you you will be fine.
But its a primal thing.
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