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    #3422733 - 11/29/04 11:15 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

so it has come to my attention that many shroomerites do not use store bought cow/steer manure because the cattle are sometimes fed anti-fungal treated grains. how do i know i'm buying the right stuff? i can't find poop sitting around so the store is my only hope. what do i do? where do you all get your poop? i can't imagine everybody gets fresh from the field cow turds.


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: TODAY]
    #3422745 - 11/29/04 11:18 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yea, this seems like a pretty significant issue and hasn't been given much attention from what I've read regarding bulk grows.

I have 80 lbs of "Composted Manure and Humus" and says that it's ".05-.05-.05 Composted." It has no other indications of additives or treatments, but then again it probably wouldn't consider the anti fungal treated feed for the cows whose poo it is.

Please give insight or at least list what you have used other than pure from the butt poo!

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3422783 - 11/29/04 11:27 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

me give insight about poo or others? i got fucked by using store bought composted steer manure (or so people have been saying). it didn't colonize. i need to know what people use to get good results. i don't want to rely on just straw.


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: TODAY]
    #3422806 - 11/29/04 11:32 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I was just asking the general shroomery public along with you  :wink:

I got the OK on my stuff, but it makes a lot of sense, especially when there aren't many stories of people hunting mushrooms around here.

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: TODAY]
    #3422867 - 11/29/04 11:52 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

any decent sized town house a cattle farm somwhere. or a horse stable, or you can go to the state fair with a couple 10 gal buckets and ask the guy that waches after teh pony ride if you can get some pewp.

or go to the zoo and try and get elephant shit.


you can use horse, cow, donky, pony, and mule poop. if you cant find one of those animals within 20 miles then your state sucks.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3423003 - 11/29/04 12:42 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i can't travel 20 miles to search out a place where animals shit. no auto and no friends can know what i'm doing. if anybody knows a good brand i can find at the store please recommend.


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: TODAY]
    #3423015 - 11/29/04 12:47 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

do you have some money, lana sells de-hydrated poop, and www.highmountaincompost.com has pre-pasteurized expensive but rock on compost.


or go to wal mart or a garden supply and get worm castings, they dont anti-fungus teh worms.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3423034 - 11/29/04 12:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Feed from places like Intermountin Farmers comes in percentages, with or without antibiotics, depending on what you are going to feed it to. In general, animals raised for meat get higher protein, therefor get antibiotic as they are growing very fast and it keeps the smell down. Dairy cows usually get non-antibiotic food as we drink the milk, but no guarantees. Best to find a herd in a pasture that rely on grass, and collect there. Cow feed usually is reprocessed meat chicken shit anyway, as it is usually 14% protein, and is cooked and pelleted with a little grass and is loaded with antibiotic from the chickens. Anything fed from a bag is suspect. Bagged Poop from Kmart usually comes from feed lots, where it is easy to use a front end loader to collect, not caring about the mushroom growing people.

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: red914]
    #3423070 - 11/29/04 01:04 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I guess I could try a G2G transfer to a small bit of it to see if it colonizes. That would let ya know.

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: TODAY]
    #3423077 - 11/29/04 01:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

organic composted manure with hummus. Would one believe that the chemicals were all leached out during the composting period?


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3423105 - 11/29/04 01:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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I guess I could try a G2G transfer to a small bit of it to see if it colonizes. That would let ya know.




yeah man, add a half qaurt of spawn to a qaurt of pasteurized poop as a test.  :shocked: :thumbup:


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3423157 - 11/29/04 01:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Support the buffalo....

...check out the "Pipe Dream Buffalo Ranch"... http://www.pipedreambuffaloranch.com/

...here they are on e-bay...
e-bay page

Read their whole site it's pretty cool...I use nothing else with my straw and castings...


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: ClusterHead]
    #3423171 - 11/29/04 01:42 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

What do you order from them, their mushroom compost?
How much do you normally get and how far does that go?

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3423353 - 11/29/04 02:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

so if I'm understanding right the 8 pounds of dehydrated cow manure i bought are more or less useless? if that is true y is the store bought manure so bad?

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3423359 - 11/29/04 02:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i guess i could go for worm castings...they are highly nutritious after all.


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: intrigue]
    #3423361 - 11/29/04 02:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Seems like a very trivial issue, I wish I could get a better answer to this.

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3423388 - 11/29/04 02:23 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

agreed

there has to some reason y the store bought stuff sucks so bad.
but how is it so different from the stuff ppl buy from www.highmountaincompost.com or other mushroom companies

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: intrigue]
    #3423402 - 11/29/04 02:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well the difference is whether the farmers who raised the cow put anti fungal treatments into the food they fed their cows.

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3423448 - 11/29/04 02:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Well the difference is whether the farmers who raised the cow put anti fungal treatments into the food they fed their cows.




Very true for :cow: This is done to protect the product while its in the bag.  However horses get better grain. Horse poo is great.Just completed my 1st experiments with it. :thumbup:  Try horse poo.
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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: KaptKid]
    #3423456 - 11/29/04 02:39 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i emailed the company that i got mine from we will see what they say

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: intrigue]
    #3423583 - 11/29/04 03:15 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just not going to pay $7.50 per 5 lbs of it, need like 40 lbs, and have to pay shipping on all that.

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: KaptKid]
    #3423732 - 11/29/04 03:48 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Dont forget that many horses get medicines also, like antiworm poison. (dont know another name in english)


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: intrigue]
    #3424214 - 11/29/04 05:42 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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i emailed the company that i got mine from we will see what they say




i should do that too.

let us know what's up when they've emailed you back? pm me if possible?


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: TODAY]
    #3424279 - 11/29/04 05:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

man i tell ya what you find the odd people who won't just head out 40 50 miles to find a farm? plenty of qaulity cow shit..why fuck with ordering online?.. this ..that..ect

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: dobinky]
    #3425354 - 11/29/04 09:08 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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organic composted manure with hummus. Would one believe that the chemicals were all leached out during the composting period?




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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: dobinky]
    #3425383 - 11/29/04 09:14 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

From what I understand of the composting process, I would think so. I'm going to test a small quantity.

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: spliffmasta]
    #3425408 - 11/29/04 09:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i'm going to try the same poop, but this time mixed with a buttload of straw...like a 50% straw, 25% verm, 25% poo ratio...or 75% straw and 25% poo.


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: TODAY]
    #3425415 - 11/29/04 09:24 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

use the verm too, it will give you an extra flush down the road, cow poop gets muddy w/out verm.


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[quote]KristiMidocean said:
Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: Psychoslut]
    #3425450 - 11/29/04 09:35 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

im happy i went to a craft shop today and what did i find, straw. i almost cried with joy

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    #3425459 - 11/29/04 09:38 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

lol you guys are great. E-mailing the companey doesn't sound like to bad of an idea. I think i'ma do that as well. Gl All

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    #3426004 - 11/29/04 11:54 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

There use to be some really knowledgable guys around here that had a solid explination why store bought poo wan't good(where have they all gone?).
None of my friends have ever had success with it. Worm casing and straw yeild fairly well though :wink:
If i remember correctly the bagged manure is over processed and lacks many of the nutrients that mushrooms need to colonize it and fruit properly. In a sense almost all bagged manure's are over processed and intende as a soil additive for plants in your garden not mushrooms in your 'garden' :wink:
But yeah it would be wise to test a little amount of spawn on bagged poo if you feel the urge to try it, that way if it doesn't colonize then you haven't wasted all your cakes/grain or whatever spawn u have.

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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #3426948 - 11/30/04 07:40 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

just find some horse stables. i didn't think i could find poo either, and now i hav more than i need::-D


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    #3427326 - 11/30/04 10:28 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

OK so i go the email back today and this is what they said

"We have checked with our raw material sources (the farmers that we buy the cow manure from) and they said NO they do not feed the cows any anti-fungal products. Nor do we add any to the cow manure that we process and bag for resale. "

so i guess that answers that question

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    #3427498 - 11/30/04 11:42 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

What brand was yours by chance?

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    #3427517 - 11/30/04 11:49 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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    #3428104 - 11/30/04 02:25 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

hmmm, thanks intrigue, useful info...i'm going to check out what brand i have and email them up later today if i get the chance.


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: TODAY]
    #3428384 - 11/30/04 03:30 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

If you were to get manure from the fields, don't you run into a problem with it needing to be dehydrated?
How does everyone accomplish that during the winter?

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    #3428401 - 11/30/04 03:33 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

My uncles have farms and unless you have an eko farm you can be sure that the cows get all kind of medicins and sometimes even growhormones if it is meatproducing cows.
I am happy that the day I wanna start a poo grow I know a field some miles from here with cows and horses in the wild but fenced. I find my Liberty Caps there as well.


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Re: POOP POOP POOP [Re: TODAY]
    #3429109 - 11/30/04 05:37 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't think that any sort of manure would have absorbed the fungicidal chemicals put on the grains. Some fungicides are natural, ceder wood oil for example. I think that this is a falsehood. Farmers grow hundreds of tons of straw and they dry it all. No fungicide is necessary. Most manure just needs to be leeched in water for 24 hours and then dried in the sun. One problem that some compacted composts/manure can have is that they'll turn into a mud during your pasteurization. Dry these totally before you mix with your straw or add vermiculite before pasteurizing to avoid these contam-havens!


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    #3429426 - 11/30/04 06:44 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

haha well i feel lucky my mom lives around a bunch of cow's like acroos the road..so i have unlimited supply of poop..found some shit that if ya didn't look twice you would say its soil..qaulity shit..mixing up my starw poo tonight..add some verm .. let it sit for another week waiting on my wbs to finish..starting on popcron tonight.

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